Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition Chat Thread

[Ilorin Lorati]

This is hard to choose.

I've got some ideas for something based off a certain pair of old Squaresoft games, but we'll see if I can get it off the ground.


(Nevermind that if I play those games for... uh... research that you're probably not going to see me for a month.)

[gr8artist]

• Let me start by saying that I absolutely love everything in general about this template. I love the feel, I love the imagery it invokes and I love the mechanics. Good job. - Thanks
• A template can only be acquired or inherited, not both. This template is acquired - fixed
• Isn't the SR a little on the low side? A little, but it's got other annoying defenses.
• Shouldn't Last Breath make them begin suffocating, not dying? Probably, but he's essentially skipping the 0 HP part of the suffocation rules.
• What does Lynchable do, other than allow a Gallows Ghost to be bound and captured? Uh, nothing.
• I'm curious how a Gallows Ghost deals with creature immune to nonlethal damage. Tears. Weeping and tears.
• With all that said, this template does not deserve to be CR +3. The vanilla Ghost is only CR +2 and it's honestly significantly better than this template. Agreed. Adjusted.

Thanks a lot for the feedback, guys. I'm glad you've enjoyed the creature.

And I don't really know what most of the upcoming themes are about, so I can't cast a vote yet.

[Tanuki Tales]

Thanks a lot for the feedback, guys. I'm glad you've enjoyed the creature.

You're welcome.

And I don't really know what most of the upcoming themes are about, so I can't cast a vote yet.

There are links on the first page, but let me go make a revised edition with the concept of the theme included (I didn't originally because it was more work than I had wanted to put in at the moment. Was doing that voting list between other things).

[TheWombatOfDoom]

(I'm already working up a list for you if you want to hang on for a moment.)

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|0
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|0
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|0
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|0
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|0
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|0
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|0
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|0
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|0
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|0
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|0
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|0
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|0

[/table]


With this first draft round, you'll receive 7 votes to cast, none of which can be for the same theme. The voting for this will remain open until 11:59 EST on Friday; afterwards, the amount will be cut down from 14 to 7.

This is the new, improved voting list that includes the concept of each past contest for your convenience!

[Tanuki Tales]

(I'm already working up a list for you if you want to hang on for a moment.)

D'oh.

Sorry Wombat.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Eh, I'll post it anyways. Lets see how I did comparitively (since I haven't seen yours yet).

Previous Theme	Description/Link	Votes
Creepy Crawlers	Arthropods, swarms, Hive mind	0
Path to Castle Ravenloft	Gothic Horror	0
Playgrounders Assemble!	Superheros, Villians, and comics	0
A Homebrew by any other Name...	Make your Username a homebrew	0
Semper Fi! Do or Die!	Military and War	0
A Day in the Life	Create a new Race	0
Saturday Morning Nostalgia	Cartoons from the 1990's.	0
Fear Itself	Phobias and Fear	0
On the Origins of Species	Primeval and evolution	0
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!	Secular Christmas Aspects/Winter	0
Oaths and Resolutions	Oaths, Pacts, and Contracts	0
Homebrew! I choose you!	Pokemon/Monster Breeding and Training	0
Of Dragons and Dungeons	1st and 2nd Edition D & D Inspired	0
Gamer's Gambit	Video Games	0

[Razanir]

If we go with I Choose You!, would I be allowed to re-submit my unfinished Kirlia/Gardevoir/Gallade PrC? If I am, I put a vote in for that.

Other votes go to Playgrounders Assemble (I'll shatter the 4th wall), A Homebrew By Any Other Name (Nazgûl) and Saturday Morning Nostalgia (not sure what I'm make. KP started in '02)

EDIT: Oh, and expect my revamped entry tomorrow. I'll finally be done with finals

[Tanuki Tales]

Here's a run down on the Mason!


I don't see anything grammar wise that stands out, so I'll move on.

• This archetype is short, sweet and to the point. It is very simple in its execution but manages to bring a good amount of options and versatility to the table with its use. Good job.
• You need to comb through and decide if you're calling users of the archetype Wizards or Masons.
• I'm very leery of that 20th level ability tacked onto Durable Materials since it can apply to spells like Gate and the Demi-plane creation line of spells.

And that's all I really have to say. Again, good job on your entry.


@Wombat: Looks like you more or less hit all the same points as me. I forgot the winter bit for Brewmas though, blah.

[Tanuki Tales]

If we go with I Choose You!, would I be allowed to re-submit my unfinished Kirlia/Gardevoir/Gallade PrC? If I am, I put a vote in for that.

I'll have to get back to you about that.

Also, you get 7 votes this round.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

@Tanuki - Meh, yeah. I'd have been faster without those links! I figured it'd put everything in one place.

I'll Vote now, I suppose -

Playgrounders Assemble
Creepy Crawlers
Saturday Morning (since I missed the deadline last time)
Homebrew of a Different Name (sounds like fun but could we expand it to ANYONE's name?)
Fear Itself (but could I do something that PREVENTS/comforts from fear?)
Homebrew, I choose you!
On the Origins of Species

[Elricaltovilla]

Hello all,

I edited the Scorching Mage again so that instead of Elemental Spell he can ignore an increasing amount of Fire Resistance, if someone could take a look at that for me and let me know what they think I'd appreciate it.

Also, I was looking at my level 8 ability and was wondering how balanced/useful it was. It's a lot of bull rush/trip attempts at high level, but I'm not sure how likely they are to succeed or be useful from a tactical standpoint.

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|1
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|0
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|1
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|1
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|0
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|0
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|1
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|1
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|1
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|0
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|1
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|0
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|0

[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

Homebrew of a Different Name (sounds like fun but could we expand it to ANYONE's name?)

We'll discuss that possibility if it's chosen.

Fear Itself (but could I do something that PREVENTS/comforts from fear?)

Sure.

[Ilorin Lorati]

Aww, I was hoping to have the chance at Third Law next month. :(

Ravenloft
Playgrounders Assemble
by any other Name
Saturday Morning Nostalgia
Origins of Species
Homebrew I Choose You
of Dungeons and Dragons

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|1
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|1
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|2
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|2
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|0
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|0
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|2
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|1
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|2
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|0
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|2
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|1
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|0

[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

Aww, I was hoping to have the chance at Third Law next month. :(

Sorry Osa. March and June are the only set in stone contest themes.

[Tanuki Tales]

would I be allowed to re-submit my unfinished Kirlia/Gardevoir/Gallade PrC?

What is everyone's opinion on this?

I've mulled it over but I'd like to know the contest regulars' opinions on the concept of re-allowing entries previously entered concepts that were determined incomplete.

[Milo v3]

Creepy Crawlers
Path to Castle Ravenloft
Playgrounders Assemble!
A Day in the Life
Fear Itself
Oaths and Resolutions
Homebrew! I choose you!

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|2
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|2
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|3
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|2
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|0
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|1
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|2
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|2
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|2
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|1
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|3
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|1
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|0

[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

[Ilorin Lorati]

What is everyone's opinion on this?

I've mulled it over but I'd like to know the contest regulars' opinions on the concept of re-allowing entries previously entered concepts that were determined incomplete.

Personally?

I like the thought that every entry was started and finished in the single month given. Extra time gives far more polish potential.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

So long as they were incomplete and so didn't actually get factored as a contender, I'd be inclined to say yes, but its complicated... I know that there's the issue that some people who didn't win might want to submit (not saying that Razanir is one of these), and what makes something deemed then as incomplete? It also breaks the rule of "something not found on the boards before", which is pretty much the main factor for no for me. The rule is supposed to be so that everyone starts on the same footing.

I'm going to vote no.

[iTookUrNick]

Here's a run down on the Mason!
This archetype is short, sweet and to the point. It is very simple in its execution but manages to bring a good amount of options and versatility to the table with its use. Good job.

Thank you! I've seen a lot of great entries in the contest, but I'm gunning for "most likely to see play". An the seret to that is adhering to the KISS philosophy.

I'm very leery of that 20th level ability tacked onto Durable Materials since it can apply to spells like Gate and the Demi-plane creation line of spells.

Demi-plane creation can be made permanent already (you can temporarily save 22500gp this way. Big woop...).
Regarding the Gate spell, I obviously did not think of that. However, it would only work for the planar travel aspect of the spell (not the calling of creatures) and it would, indeed, be awesome in case you need to move armies across planar boundaries, but not for much more (that I can see. Cheese chasers will beg to differ, obviously).

And that's all I really have to say. Again, good job on your entry.

And again, thenks to the feedback!

Votes (in order of preference):
- On the Origins of Species
- Creepy Crawlers
- A Day in the Life
- Gamer's Gambit
- Path to Castle Ravenloft
- Oaths and Resolutions

[Deviston]

My Votes:

Creepy Crawlers
Playgrounders Assemble!
Semper Fi! Do or Die!
A Day in the Life
Saturday Morning Nostalgia
On the Origins of Species
Oaths and Resolutions

[Tanuki Tales]

Demi-plane creation can be made permanent already (you can temporarily save 22500gp this way. Big woop...).

Actually....

You can make this spell permanent with the permanency spell, at a cost of 22,500 gp. If you have cast create greater demiplane multiple times to enlarge the demiplane, each casting’s area requires its own permanency spell.

I could see an argument easily made that by making the original Deminplane spell permanent with Durable Materials, it makes all of the enlargements and changes permanent as well. So instead of 22,500 gold, they could be saving millions.

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|4
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|3
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|4
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|2
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|1
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|3
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|3
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|2
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|4
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|3
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|3
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|1
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|1

[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

[DawnbringerSO]

creepy crawlers
A homebrew by any other name
Playgrounders Assemble!
Homebrew! I choose you!
Saturday morning nostalgia
On the origin of species
Gamers gambit

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|5
Path to Castle Ravenloft|Gothic Horror|3
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|5
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|3
Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Military and Warfare|1
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|3
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|4
Fear Itself|Specific Fears or Fear in general|2
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|5
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Secular aspects of Christmas and Winter in general|0
Oaths and Resolutions|Oaths, Pacts, Contracts, Resolutions, etc.|3
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|4
Of Dragons and Dungeons|Old School Dungeons and Dragons|1
Gamer's Gambit|Video Games|2

[/table]

Votes tallied to here.


Now on the other thing put to vote, that's 2 for no. Any other opinions?

@Wombat: Something is declared incomplete if I believe that enough is missing mechanically so that you can not judge it fairly or completely. But, and everyone perk up your ears, starting with Gamer's Gambit and onwards, I will also declare an entry incomplete if the flavor text/fluff/etc. (not image though, what with the massive restriction on their use now) is not fully complete. Presentation should be just as important and just as large a factor to winning these contests as sound mechanics.

[gr8artist]

1. Path to Castle Ravenloft
2. Playgrounders Assemble!
3. Oaths and Resolutions
4. Homebrew, I choose you!
5. Semper Fi! Do or Die!
6. Fear itself
7. Creepy Crawlers

Also, when can we begin working on the next contest, Gamer's Gambit?
And when will we know the results of Spell it Out for Me?

[Tanuki Tales]

1. Path to Castle Ravenloft
2. Playgrounders Assemble!
3. Oaths and Resolutions
4. Homebrew, I choose you!
5. Semper Fi! Do or Die!
6. Fear itself
7. Creepy Crawlers

Sorry gr8. Cut off for the first draft was six hours and thirty minutes before you posted. I was just out of the house most of the night. ^^;

Also, when can we begin working on the next contest, Gamer's Gambit?
And when will we know the results of Spell it Out for Me?

It was already posted 3 days ago and I already said twice that the previous contest was extended to the 8th because of the server downtime.

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Previous Theme|Concept|Votes
Creepy Crawlers|Arthropods, Swarms and Hive Mind Mentality|0
Playgrounders Assemble!|Avengers, Their Villains, Affiliated associations, Deadpool and Superheroes in general|0
A Homebrew by any other Name...|Something based on entrant's GitP username|0
A Day in the Life|Specialized contest where you came up with an original race and several other mechanics to go with it (archetypes, feats, etc.)|0
Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Animated programming that aired between 1990 and 1999|0
On the Origins of Species|Prehistory, Primeval Environments and Evolution|0
Homebrew! I choose you!|Pokemon|0


[/table]

Alright, time for the second round of voting for June. This time around you only get 4 votes and voting will remain open until 11:59 pm EST on Tuesday.

[Ilorin Lorati]

Playgrounders Assemble!
Saturday Morning Nostalgia
On the Origins of Species
Homebrew! I choose you!

Haven't gotten to work yet on my class, mainly because of my classes. It's tests all the way down.