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2012-03-27, 06:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Durkon's Resurrection spell
The last comic and the one before that have taken pains to remind us that Durkon has one Ressurection spell prepared. Implying that he will use it.
How do you think he will? I'm saying he'll rez or try to rez Belkar
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2012-03-27, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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I rather think he'll use it on Vaarsuvius.
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2012-03-27, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Resurrection works for YEARS after the death occured, so that he has it prepared does not mean "Oh there's a chance for Belkar". Because that chance is there anyway, Durkon would just have to sleep over it for a night.
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2012-03-27, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 07:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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wouldnt even need to sleep on it as it only takes 1 hours for clerics to replenish their days spells and sleep has no impact on it
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2012-03-27, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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They do have to do it at a certain time of day though...
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2012-03-27, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon's Resurrection spell
True in vanilla D&D (although clerics generally have a specific time of day (like sunrise) which is their only time to pray/meditate for spells), but in OotS houserules, I think it's established that Durkon must have a full night's sleep. (The same comic suggests, oddly enough, that Elan doesn't really need a full night's sleep -- or, more credibly, that this arcane power is insignificant enough that its loss isn't worth considering.)
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2012-03-27, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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The IFCC also established (possibly truthfully) that Durkon had a scroll of Resurrection for emergencies.
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2012-03-27, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm putting in my prediction right now - The reason that he can't be resurrected is because his body leaves this realm and goes into the rift.
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2012-03-27, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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No: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0634.html
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2012-03-27, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you read the panel thoroughly, you may find that the scroll is more likely to be a sending scroll, as the fiends say "They'll Resurrect you right away..." with no reference to Durkon, while "...for the dwarf to cast Sending..." is followed by the comment on the scroll.
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2012-03-27, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The casting time of either spell is 10 minutes; it could be either.
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2012-03-27, 05:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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But that panel shows Durkon casting Sending with a scroll in his hand... and wouldn't a scroll of Resurrection be a bit much for PCs of their level? Sending's way more likely, everything being considered (main argument for Sending being the wording used by the IFCC, as pointed out by Unisus.)
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2012-03-27, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon's Resurrection spell
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2012-03-27, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Seems that people think he's going to resurrect one of his teammates...
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2012-03-27, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-27, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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There is no way Belkar is getting ressurected.
Sorry but the oracle is very clear about it in strip #572 he says "Belkar will draw his last breath -ever- before the end of this year."
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2012-03-28, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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The casting time of either spell is 10 minutes; it could be either.
But that panel shows Durkon casting Sending with a scroll in his hand
Don't worry about the casting time, your friend has been saving a scroll...
From this, we are given to understand the following:
- To spells are mentioned in this context, Resurrection & Sending, both with a 10-minute duration.
- Durkon only has a scroll for one of them.
- The scroll that is pictured must be Sending, as we see a live Vaarsuvius dictating the message while the scroll is used.
Ergo, Durkon has been saving a Sending scroll. There is no Resurrection scroll - at least not one that's hinted at by this strip.
Anyway, isn't the actual rule that the activation duration of completing a spell from a medium (such as a scroll) is the same as the casting time for the spell? If this doesn't apply in the OOTSverse, and Durkon has Scribe Scroll, why would he Durkon ever prepare Resurrection instead of hauling it around as a scroll? The cost to scribe is paltry compared to the material component cost that he'd have to pay anyway.
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2012-03-28, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Extremely unlikely.
If this doesn't apply in the OOTSverse, and Durkon has Scribe Scroll, why would he Durkon ever prepare Resurrection instead of hauling it around as a scroll? The cost to scribe is paltry compared to the material component cost that he'd have to pay anyway.
And while I am baffled that anyone is taking the IFCC's word about what scrolls Durkon does or doesn't have (but hey, a lot of people insisted that The Comic Said Vaarsuvius just got chosen randomly for the Soul Splice, until Qaar explicitly pointed out how absurd that claim by the fiends was), I'm pretty sure we can believe them about game mechanics which even trance-deprived Vaarsuvius would have immediately called them out on if they'd lied about.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-03-28, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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You realize he'd have to provide the diamonds each time he created a scroll, right?
And also, the strip you linked uses the limited castings of Sending as its punchline, and the scroll very likely didn't come up because of Rule of Funny.
I'm actually disinclined to believe that the fiends were telling the truth, myself - it was Director Nero, not Director Lee, who said anything about the scroll, so the Lawful fiend technically would not have lied even if the daemon did.
But if we're going to say that strip 634 has any kernel of truth about scrolls at all, it's a Sending scroll, not Resurrection, that Durkon is clearly holding in panel 11 while a very much alive V is dictating a message.
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2012-03-28, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0834.html
Durkon still has the sending scroll (or Malack gave him one).
The scroll the fiends mentioned was the sending scroll because V did not know resurrection lasted 10 minutes.
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2012-03-28, 07:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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On top of that, we're not actually sure that the names of the fiends are indicative of alignment, potential puns aside - Sabine is referred to as "a succubus that has been working under Director Lee", which implies that Lee is the demon, not the devil.
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2012-03-28, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Alternatively, the IFCC works like the IFCC says they work: as an organization of all three fiendish groups. Demons need not work under demons, daemons under daemons, or devils under devils. That Sabine works under Lee might be meant to reinforce this aspect of the organization.
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2012-03-28, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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1. It's a scroll of sending, as he's holding it while casting sending, and V has already been rezzed, as s/he's standing next to him.
2. No, they haven't used the scroll yet, it'll probably come up as a checkov's gun at some point, if it's been mentioned or referred to so often in the comic.
In answer to OP, I doubt he'll try to rez Belkar. I don't know who else could die, though. Maybe we should be wondering why durkon had 2 rez spells prepared, as well as speak with dead, when they were only expecting to meet the draketooth clan, especially since they had no idea they were all dead.
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2012-03-28, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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