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2012-07-24, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
I find the return of Grabowski to be the most interesting thing mentioned. First Edition's core book was what hooked me on Exalted and got me to shell out all this money for everything written for Second Edition.
Guess I need to get down to work on getting out my Exalted project before the new rules hit.
Thought: Third Edition Alchemicals will probably not show up for another three years.
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2012-07-24, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
My prediction:
The math gets cleaned up. Combat is more streamlined. The progression curve isn't so weird. All the Exalted have clearly defined themes and places in the setting from the beginning. None of the developers know what's actually wrong with the system. It's still terrible at telling Exalted stories. Systems with 5-page rule-pamphlets designed for 24 hour design contests will still be better than its professionally developed years-in-the-making 400 page monstrosity.
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2012-07-24, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Xefas, pray tell what are the stories Exalted is meant to tell?
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2012-07-24, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
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2012-07-24, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
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2012-07-24, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
KB, there's this thing called money. It's really useful for getting what you want out of other people. To get it, you have to convince people they want to give you money in return for something.
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2012-07-24, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Also, do note the last, what, 3 books released: Masters of Jade, Compass: Auto, and Shards. None of those are really mechanics heavy, and the setting information they give will likely still be relatively canon.
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2012-07-24, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Interesting. Freeing the game from the stranglehold of mutual contradiction and errata might actually make it possible to convince people to try it.
On the other hand, probably not buying it for a while. I don't really play solars, so until the splatbooks start coming out, it'd be pretty silly
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2012-07-24, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
It's not like we haven't been over this before. 2nd Ed rewards standing in place and flurrying. It rewards hyper-specializing and sticking to your one shtick. Its "fiddly parcel" progression system overly restricts what you can do with a given concept (I have to pay separately for "Hits real hard", "Hits real accurately", "Hits a couple times", "Hits a lot of times", "Hits in a special way", "Hits in a slightly different special way"). It's overly concerned with being a tactical fighting game, rather than a game about telling stories. But then fails at being tactical. It doesn't incentivize, reinforce, or especially facilitate the roleplaying of your character. On and on. 3rd edition will be the same way, but a little better in the wrong direction.
That's not even bringing in the disconnect between system and setting. Artifacts, good god.
(If you'd like me to rehash my old complaints a bit more, it'll have to wait until tonight, because I'm about to go to work.)
Congratulations. You're awesome at telling stories about Exalted in spite of the system. I'd be in awe of what you could accomplish, given something decent to work with.
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2012-07-24, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
For those of us ignorant of early Exalted, who's Geoff Grabowski? I take it he was instrumental in 1e in some manner?
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2012-07-24, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
He set the tone of First Edition Exalted, with its epic conflicts between super-powered demigods in a world slowly dying from greed, corruption, and political infighting.
He is specifically not to blame for Lunars sucking, because he wanted Conan and got civilization-hating werewolves who need different weapons to be told apart.
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2012-07-24, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Civilization-hating rapist werewolves who need different weapons to be told apart.
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2012-07-24, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Geh, this attitude makes me sigh. if I want to play a mutant unrestricted by thematics, Solars ain't the place I go to. Too human and straightforward.
also in response to Third Edition, I will say it thrice more:
great, now I have to purchase this all over again.
I will keep saying it, probably until time ends.
Still buying it though. the new corebook might actually make me like Solars.Last edited by Lord Raziere; 2012-07-24 at 03:39 PM.
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2012-07-24, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
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2012-07-24, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
*grumbles*
I've shelled out about two hundred bucks for paper and ink in some fancy format... and now most of it is useless.
I want my money back! *shakes cane*
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Okay, seriously, I can't wait for this to come out.Last edited by Hiro Protagonest; 2012-07-24 at 03:54 PM.
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2012-07-24, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
I just hope the system is close enough that we can still use 2e books until they release 3e equivalents.
Otherwise... I don't really want to wait three years for Infernals to come out again, for instance.
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2012-07-24, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
don't worry. with enough hard work and smartness, you can convert anything to anything! edition to next edition changes are actually very easy…..
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2012-07-24, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Lunars. Going to be awesome again.
*starts foaming at mouth*
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2012-07-24, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-24, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-24, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-24, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Okay, I am seriously considering requesting an Alchemical game, so that I can actually play one before 3E comes out and everyone switches over.
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2012-07-24, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
If they're good, and they still have Twin-Faced Hero, I will probably be playing some.
But in the meantime, I'm rewriting my Infernal Charm.
Still no Name
Cost: 0-4 (+2), see text; Mins: Essence 3; Type: Simple
Keywords: Heretical, Combo-OK
Prerequisites: By Rage Recast, Loom-Snarling Deception
This trick requires the Infernal to be able to use Malfeas' shapechanging powers, but also be able to delicately manipulate them, as those who study under the Ebon Dragon can do the Loom of Fate.
At a cost of 6 - (permanent Essence) motes, the Infernal can change his form to look like any human, beastman, or other human-sized biped without any particular advantages over humans (such as gills or thick scales).
With a +2 surcharge cost, the Infernal can even take on superior forms, granting him his permanent Essence in mutation points for the form he takes on.
You can also pay this Charm's cost when using Loom-Snarling Deception to combine the two Charms. You may still create the illusory clothes when using Loom-Snarling Deception, but it is advised that the Infernal buys clothes that comfortably fit.Last edited by Hiro Protagonest; 2012-07-24 at 06:26 PM.
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2012-07-24, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Agreed.
But the question is - which Shard?
I have to admit, Modern Alchemicals are pretty nifty.
As for the Still No Name charm: What advantage does this offer over Loom-Snarling Deception? Actual shapechanging as opposed to illusions?
If so, rather than combining the shapechanging of Malfeas with the delicacy of the Ebon Dragon, I recommend treating it as combining the many faces of the Ebon Dragon with the absolute dominion over his own body that Malfeas grants. - Malfeas is not defined by a changing shape, but by one that is absolutely what he says it is. Ebby will let you lie about what you are, and forms the basis for the trick, merely modified by Malfeas.
Also remember that your disguise is not/should not be impenetrable as a Lunar's is; if you want to disguise yourself as a person, you must still impersonate them and properly envision their form - AKA, this charm doesn't (and shouldn't) negate a disguise check to impersonate someone.
And I still think this steps on Lunar toes too much for too little interest. It just doesn't feel very Infernal to me.Last edited by aetherialDawn; 2012-07-24 at 06:45 PM.
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2012-07-24, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
Honestly I don't care what Shard, as long as I get to play an Alchie it's all good.
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2012-07-24, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
I still say it should be named Crushing Luna's Paw.
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2012-07-24, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
I was actually thinking standard Autochthonia. But if we did do Shards I would prefer Gunstar. Heaven's Reach doesn't have much info on Alchemicals, and I would prefer normal Alchemicals to Modern ones plus the Gunstar Alchemicals have a cool place in their society. But at this point I'd be willing to play anything Alchemical.
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2012-07-24, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-24, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
At least Modern has Alchemicals. They're so sadly absent from Heaven's Reach, and ridiculously absent from Burn Legend.
I personally like that Gunstar Alchemicals occupy nearly the same place in society, but the context is so overwhelmingly different.
Normal Autochthonia and Gunstar are both good with me.Last edited by aetherialDawn; 2012-07-24 at 07:56 PM.
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2012-07-24, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale.
I would really like an alchemicals game that got to the metro/patropolis level. Designing our city forms would be cool. To avoid playing at that level we could just use silo charms.
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