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2012-12-31, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
As the year winds down, I find myself with an urge to order elves to spend a turn shooting orcs in their stupid orc faces. I find it helps put things in perspective.
I'm not seeing much in my collection that looks to satisfy this though. So I'm turning to you for suggestions. I'm amenable to either party-based or one-character games. I don't really discriminate on the age of a title - although I do like the art to be solid, even if the tech is old.
Any suggestions?Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
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2012-12-31, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Well, there's always Master of Magic. Though more of a 4X game than a turn-based strategy title, MoM is solid and still unsurpassed in the sub-genre it founded.
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2012-12-31, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Kings Bounty comes to mind if you hadn't already tried it out. Also Disciples 2 is always good with very solid art and addictive gameplay. But never ever pay a cent for Disciples 3 it's a total let down.
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2012-12-31, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
If you're that specific, Elven Legacy might suit you. I remember it being in a charity Bundle this year.
Wait, what signature?
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2012-12-31, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Battle for Wesnoth is a bit... simple. But it's sort of what you describe, I think. Anyways, I've always found it to be a lot of fun. And free! You can't beat that.
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2012-12-31, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-31, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Well, the RNG exists, and it hates you no more or less than any other RNG does.
Psychologically, though, it's more noticeable, because every hit has a % chance of success, and damage is absolute. It's quite wargamey in that aspect, not so much RPG-ish, because you actually stand a decent chance of missing a lot. If they switched it to a model of every hit landing for random damage, people would complain about the RNG less. As it is, damage comes in big chunks, which I'm okay with.
Also sounds like it's exactly what you're aiming for. I'll add, however, that Wesnoth is a lot about positioning and resource management. There are two skills that are essential to learn: how to maneuver your units to gang up on an enemy and eliminate them before their turn, and how to hand off kills to the same unit, so that they gain XP faster (the killing blow delivers extra XP).
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2012-12-31, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
As previously stated:
Master of Magic
Battle for Wesnoth
Other:
Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic
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Elemental: War of MagicLast edited by psilontech; 2012-12-31 at 03:19 PM.
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2012-12-31, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Did you want an RPG or a strategy game? It's hard to tell.
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2012-12-31, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Dominions 3 is the only thing I can really think of that you haven't already mentioned playing and/or recommended to someone else, but given that it's a fairly old-school game with intentionally simplistic graphics, it might not be your cup of tea.
I guess there's Fallen Enchantress and Warlock: Master of the Arcane as well.
Of course, every single one of those is technically a 4X, and so potentially not strictly what you wanted.Last edited by lesser_minion; 2012-12-31 at 04:51 PM.
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2012-12-31, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
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2012-12-31, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
He tends to dislike RPG's, so strategy is probably what he wants.
Personally I like Icewind Dale, because it's fantastical, set in a universe I recognize, but it's not turn-based. Of course, it runs on turns, but you can let the auto-pause separate it.
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2012-12-31, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
I'm not really sure what you want. Most turn-based fantasy games are about a group of heroes. But your description sounds more like a wargame.
I have games of either category, but not both.
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Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn (I'm pretty sure they have battle grids, but I know that some of the other FE games are more like Pokemon, so I'm just going to suggest these two)
Final Fantasy Tactics games
Saiyuki: The Journey to the West. I think I actually spelled that right.
Tactical wargame
X-COM: UFO Defense
X-COM: Terror From the Deep (note, due to a bug in the original that set the difficulty to "Easy" no matter what was selected, this game is REALLY hard since people complained about the difficulty of the first)
Xenonauts (still in Alpha testing, but people who pre-order can go to the forums and look for threads on testing stuff. There is at least the one thread with the test for a trainyard map, currently)
There is also a game that I do not know much about, called Banner Saga. It appears to have turn-based grid combat with magical and fantastical elements.Avatar of George the Dragon Slayer, from the upcoming Indivisible!
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2012-12-31, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Pretty much. I'm leaning more towards RPG at the moment, but a nice simple strategy title could also do quite nicely.
Ideally this would be something like Jagged Alliance 2, which is to say lots of customization, very detailed small party-based combat, not completely hideous graphics and a good equipment system. Except with elves and castles and dragons, instead of militia and Kalashnikovs.
Tragically I don't think this game exists.
I might add that warty goblin's simple desire to shoot orcs in the face is possibly the best "recommend me a game" that I have ever seen.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
Alfred Noyes, The Highwayman, 1906.
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2012-12-31, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Maybe any of the Avernum RPGs. Turn based, grid based, party based combat. Lots of exploration and secrets to find. No orcs or elves, though. But there are goblins to kill, at least.
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2012-12-31, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Hm, I can think of some, but they're practically all console or handheld games, and I'm pretty sure warty is a PC-only gamer. Also they often lack Orcs (and sometimes Elves) specifically, being Japanese games.
Only one that comes to mind that I've played and enjoyed as a PC title that might work is Heroes of Might and Magic 3. Kind of an old game, though, don't know how easy it'd be to find now.Last edited by Zevox; 2012-12-31 at 06:18 PM.
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2012-12-31, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-31, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
It's a good old game, which I also can recommend. It contains elves and goblins. And everything else as well.
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2012-12-31, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
If you're looking RPG/turn-based try Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.
I recall orcs, but it's been years and I couldn't get out of the starting town.
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2012-12-31, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Final Fantasy Tactics sounds pretty similar to what you want, if you're willing to forgive the pretty horrible translation (at least in the PS1 version).
From strategy games, I second the Heroes of Might and Magic series, Age of Wonders 2/Shadow Magic, and Disciples 2, in order from the largest to the smallest scale and from least to most RPG elements.
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2012-12-31, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
I would also recommend Dominions 3 which is a fantastic game for fantasy armies. You can get a nice new up-to-date demo of it at www.Illwinter.com
But thats an awfully big game. On the one hand it will last years on your machine, on the other hand nobody plays it with all of the players, nations, and maximum map sizes it can run in. Its too much game for some people.
If the demo seems like too much strategy game then try their other game Conquest of Elysium 3. Its smaller, faster, (cheaper), and more solo-play than Dom3 is. It will still last a long time and runs games bigger than anyone plays though.
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2012-12-31, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
As great as dominions 3 is in general, it probably doesn't suit you if you just want a nice, light strategy game (Or, yanno, RPG). The winner of a Dominions 3 game in Multiplayer is 'whoever has the patience to micro longest', and in the larger maps, a single turn can take an hour. Pick it up when you're in the mood for strategery, maybe (Ilwinter really needs to learn a 2-D Sprite game made 5 years ago is not still worth 50 dollars)
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2012-12-31, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-31, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
What indeed.
And Fire Emblem doesn't really have a lot of customization, or detailed combat. Characters simply gain levels and that's it. It's more of a resourcement management game - you need to manage your weapons because all of them break and it'd be a waste to use the rare/expensive ones when they're not needed, and you need to manage your troops carefully because they're all unique, but there is permadeath and they can die easily if you're not careful.
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2012-12-31, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Dominions 3 is $50? that is on Amazon, right?
It is only $30 on Desura, and goes on sale fairly often.
Their other game is only $10 and goes on sale often. Especially on Steam.
The "5 years ago" is rather questionable also since they continaully add to it for free. The version now has a lot more in it than the 5 years ago version.
And I like the 2D graphics. It runs on my linux, windows, and mac. It runs on netbooks, really old computers, and can run off a flash drive. I can run it along with tons of other things at the same time on my desktop. It is a tiny client that can connect to a massive server for huge multiplyer games if I want.
That might still be too much money for some. But if you ask anyone who has it, they play it often even after years so on an hourly rate it is pretty cheap.
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2012-12-31, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
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2012-12-31, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
That's not the what part. Comparing Fire Emblem to Pokemon is the what part.
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2012-12-31, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm feeling turn based and fantastical
Well, some characters you work to acquire by walking up and talking to them, which is often harder than it sounds. So that's sorta like catching pokemon.
And (some games) have a dating sim mechanic in the support system, and in FE4 which units you get in the second half depends on which characters you paired together in the first half. So that's sorta like the breeding system.
...Yeah, I don't get it either.
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2012-12-31, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-31, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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