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2012-10-15, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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[PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
I was wondering if the sneak attack feature may be used with weapons that aren't light and aren't rapiers. I thought that was the case, but looking at the SRD again seems to have removed that stipulation. I'm confused now. If I wanted to play, say, a Low Templar that wasn't originally a rogue, could I sneak attack with a longsword? Or am I basically limited to rapiers, short swords, and the like?
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2012-10-15, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
You can Sneak Attack with (almost) anything.
Case in point: Skulking Slayer archetype. Part of it's schtick is Sneak Attacking with Two-handers.
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2012-10-15, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
If a rogue can catch an opponent when he is unable to defend himself effectively from her attack, she can strike a vital spot for extra damage.
The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.
With a weapon that deals nonlethal damage (like a sap, whip, or an unarmed strike), a rogue can make a sneak attack that deals nonlethal damage instead of lethal damage. She cannot use a weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage in a sneak attack, not even with the usual –4 penalty.
The rogue must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment.
Edit: Because I know it didn't exist in 3.5, and if the Pathfinder guys had tried to add it it would have been all over the 'How did Pathfinder screw up?' threads.Last edited by tyckspoon; 2012-10-15 at 10:54 PM.
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2012-10-15, 11:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
So far as I can tell, that restriction never existed. I haven't been able to find the exact text for the 3.0 Sneak Attack, but in various discussions and things I've yet to find any reference to such a limitation.
And before 3.0 Sneak Attack didn't even exist, being Backstab, right?
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2012-10-15, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
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2012-10-15, 11:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
I could have sworn that somewhere it said something like "Rapiers can be used to sneak attack even though they're not a light weapon" or something.
"Reach down into your heart and you'll find many reasons to fight. Survival. Honor. Glory. But what about those who feel it's their duty to protect the innocent? There you'll find a warrior savage enough to match any dragon, and in the end, they'll retain what the others won't. Their humanity."
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2012-10-15, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-15, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
I think you're confusing that with the clause that let Rapiers be used with Weapon Finesse, which is normally only for light weapons (and whips and chains).
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2012-10-15, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-15, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
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2012-10-15, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-16, 02:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
Backstab was really murky. There is a brazilian comic that lampshades it - a thief tried to backstab a dragon and the game stops because the DM says 'dragons don't have backs'.
Anyway, a short sword is a thief weapon, so, yeah...
How did you get backstab on your bard, was it from a kit?
Now I'm kind of missing 2e.
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2012-10-16, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-16, 07:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-16, 10:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-16, 10:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
It's been like this since 3.5, I think. In 4th, there were only a handful of weapons you could sneak attack with, so maybe you were thinking about that.
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2012-10-16, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [PF] Sneak Attacking with Non-Finessy Weapons
....I had a player sneak attack someone with a boat once. Dropped a rowboat on the fleeing captain's head. That same rogue used a greatsword.. so yeah.. I'm glad they never tried purchasing a cannon and attempting to lug it around.
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