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2012-10-24, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Here's the closest thing I could get to it:
Originally Posted by Scroll of Errata
Note that Swilly likewise can't perform actions outside the purview of her Excellency, since her Virtue Charms turn those dice into successes, and, as it points out, successes don't do anything if you don't roll dice in the first place.Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 2012-10-24 at 11:39 AM.
It is inevitable, of course, that persons of epicurean refinement will in the course of eternity engage in dealings with those of... unsavory character. Record well any transactions made, and repay all favors promptly.. (Thanks to Gnomish Wanderer for the Toreador avatar! )
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2012-10-24, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-24, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
In Ebby's case, stunting still doesn't work, as another one of his Charms turns his stunt dice into auto-successes, and again, successes do nothing when there's no dice behind them.
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It is inevitable, of course, that persons of epicurean refinement will in the course of eternity engage in dealings with those of... unsavory character. Record well any transactions made, and repay all favors promptly.. (Thanks to Gnomish Wanderer for the Toreador avatar! )
Wanna see what all this Exalted stuff is about? Here's a primer!
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2012-10-24, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Except you can stunt to make something within the purview of your excellency with certain degrees of plausibility.
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2012-10-24, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Stunting add dice so it is probably allowed even for Ebon Dragon.
Autochton have that big machine that probably works as auto-stunt giver and give him around 10 dice on actions outside of his purview. Not to shabby and explains a lot why his ideas outside of his normal gimmick are so mundane.
Learn, yes she couldn't ... develop, probably as E6+ shaenigans since Solar Shard thematics are built around guy who looks normally like tentacle Godzilla.
But creative use of what you have ? I think it should work. For example Archery charms could be used with breath weapon, as it is ranged weapon like any other. Emulating dragon-fear with Mob Dispersing Rebuke was also fun.
On the discussion about Autobot "unable" to create Celestial Exaltation Shards ... if people claiming that would be right it mean that Unconquered Sun, Luna and Maidens found theirs in the gift box from Santa. There is no other logical explanation.
IMO, Golentan very accurately described why Autobot would see Alchies as superior to Celestial Shards. He needed Champions/Protectors and not walking nukes.Youth and strenght alvays lose to age and treachery.
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2012-10-24, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-24, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
-James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
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2012-10-24, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-24, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
-James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
Satomi by Elagune
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2012-10-24, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-24, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Also, the fact that their rolls use an ability is only because the system must represent it somehow. In reality, the abilities are not intrinsic to their themes, they created them in the same way they created Fate and Reincarnation. (The Virtues are not like this which is what makes them suitable as a source for the UCS's nature). Assuming they emerged from the Wyld full-wrought that is, in which case they never even had ability dots.
Also, they are not nice. Sociopathically myopic they have always been, now they are angry and mean.Many, many thanks to azuyomi244 for the avatar.
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2012-10-24, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
I would argue that some of them are "nice", in their own way.
Adorjan is trying to enlighten you; it's not her fault that you're overly possessive of your life and other such attachments.
Szorezny opposes you so that you can be a better you; isn't that altruistic?
Swillin' just wants everyone to fit in a nice, rigid hierarchy, where there is no strife or problems at all.
Kimbery loves her children to bits, like a good mother.
The problem is that their definition of "nice" is so different from ours that, well...
I think the best thing I've read on it is that the Primordials are adults from the point of view of small children. You know, big, weird, and doing important things that seem utterly nonsensical to us.
It was a dev comment, and I'll see if I can find it...
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2012-10-24, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
The Ebon Dragon is perhaps the only Yozi who doesn't think of himself as nice, or in the right, or possessed of a goal that is actually the best possible outcome if only these mortals would actually understand etc.
And that's because such a world view is, as noted, not in his theme.
(Adorjan might also count by virtue of being totally insane, so who knows how she views herself)"Not trusting me might be the smartest decision you made since getting off of your horse."
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2012-10-24, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
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2012-10-24, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Adorjan's a real sweet-heart, if you think about it...
I think we should let her out!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. That would be a terrible idea.
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2012-10-24, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Really, if you had to let one out it would probably be Adorjan, since she's the only one that bears no malice towards Creation and the Exalts. You just have to sort of funnel her into the Wyld and find a way to keep her out there. Then she'll have infinite playmates and no reason to return except by accident/the machinations of the Raksha.
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2012-10-24, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Oh I think most of them revel in their malice. Malfeas wants to make you hurt because he does. He doesn't think this is good, he thinks you can't do anything about it.
The Endless Desert will grind you down to dust, physically or spiritually, and enjoy your degradation.
She who lives is perfectly fine killing you if it is in service to her Greater Good, which happens to be doing what Malfeas wants. Meaning the fact that killing ALL the prayer batteries is inefficient and thus loathsome to her is meaningless. She is working for a loathsome world because her king wants it.
Part of the Maiming was to make their myopia into active adversity (TED didn't need much work.) The Yozi do their best to try to kill each other, stopped only by the fact that they can't. Isodorus prevents Malfeas from Crushing Things, Adorjan really, truly, would kill them all if she could, The Endless Desert oppresses even her own souls with her arbitrary law. Think about Kimbery and all her spite and hate and poison. The line between love and hate is very easily crossed with her.Many, many thanks to azuyomi244 for the avatar.
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2012-10-24, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Avatar by GryffonDurime. Thanks!
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2012-10-24, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Well he does seem like the most passive of the Yozis….Qaf seems more like some monk who sits in the corner and when you go seek him for wisdom, all you get is some weird koan or question back and you have to figure it out yourself, but when you do and you come back to him, all he does is nod then pose another koan…..
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2012-10-24, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
We do know at least some ways to control and distract Szoreny, although it still is dangerous for a few dedicated Exalted... And he is also the one who seems to think it possible to obtain 'parole' of a sort. Perhaps some bindings can be released without releasing all of them.
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2012-10-24, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
I'm still interested in how exactly one might go about "sort-of" freeing the Yozis. The crux of the Dragon's plan is abusing Heaven's marriage laws to acquire metaphysical ownership of the Blessed Isle and then gradually corrupting it so as to be more habitable. Is the reverse possible? No one but the Bronze Faction uses Meru anymore; would it be possible to construct an Artifact N/A geomantic array atop and beneath the city to make it a part of the Demon City? Surely Malfeas would cool off "enough" from the pleasure of sitting atop humanity's greatest capital to want to keep you alive a bit longer without turning you akuma. And then that gives you the opportunity to broker deals with his subsouls, so on and so forth.
But paroling Yozis "as-is," your best bets are:
Szoreny, who will take forever to actually act against you
SWLIHN, when given enough paperwork
Isidoros, when dared to live as a human adventurer for an indefinite period of time
Qaf, who doesn't care about much of anything
Adorjan, when placed inside a giant hamster wheel
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2012-10-24, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
I'm now imagining Isodoros as a cross between Pumba and an 18th century British explorer.
It is an awesome image.
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2012-10-24, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
She Who Lives would likely be the safest bet if you can get her to legitimately submit to be subservient to you. You are now dictator forever, but that is nothing but good for you. She even offered it at the end of the war.
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2012-10-25, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
I've always wondered if Qaf was a warden of the Yozis, not a fellow prisoner. He's in his own pocket universe and doesn't seem to be suffering much.
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2012-10-25, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Hell is only particularly awful and horrible for Malfeas himself and for demons of the 1st circle.
Most of the other Yozis are just locked in there, but generally not in continuous physical agony.
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2012-10-25, 01:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Guys, is the Diablo 3 Monk inspired by Exalted?
I noticed that they keep going on about being champions of the gods, have supernatural, holy martial arts, skills such as Exalted Spirit which give additional reservoirs of holy power, and of course have access to a class specific headgear which can resemble a golden sunburst affixed to their forehead.
So the similarities are obviously there, I was wondering if anyone has Word of God to the effect that yes, Exalted was a source of inspiration/homage.
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2012-10-25, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
There's a cycle of cause and effect that gets rather confused. Championing the Gods has always been around, as well as the format used in eastern religions that the Monk uses. Same with the jewelry.
That's complicated. Sol having other forms does not figure into solar exaltations. What he poured in was the whole arete thing. The exaltations work from a baseline human form. Natural, not-human stuff cannot have solar charms made for it.
It's not that current charms don't work, but they work as sheer happenstance. Excellencies still work for example. But no MA charm for extra-tentacly grapples.
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2012-10-25, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
I'm of the opinion that Solar Exaltations are more thematically flavored by the Unconquered Sun; an actual Solar Exaltation is, thematically, what you'd get if Humanity was a Primordial and you were acting within it's potential (not actual) themes.
Actually, if you worked within Humanity's actual themes, what kind of charms would you be getting? Easily Crushed Sutra? Like Tissue Paper Understanding? Hide and Pray Shintai?
I kinda wish I knew more of the Exalted rules set, so that I could Devil-Tiger this...
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2012-10-25, 08:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-25, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord
Ah, but I want to Devil Tiger humanity...
They'd get an Essence 6 charm that let's Essence 3 Enlightened Mortals hit Essence 4 without dying!
And just as a note... could Solars design charms that make them better Prayer Batteries? After all, it is something that humans are...