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Re: Incarnum Redone (3.5)[PEACH]
Thanks, I hope to hear what you think once you have read it more in depth, it is, a Work In Progress, and I have a lot to do...so any input is valued.
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Alternate Class Features
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Artificer
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Artificer loses 1 spell known per level and 1 spell slot cast per day per level.
Benefit: The Artificer gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Artificer does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Barbarian
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Level: 3rd
Replaces: The Barbarian loses Trap sense and Damage Reduction including all increases at later levels.
Benefit: The Barbarian gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Barbarian does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Bard
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Bard loses 1 spell known per level and 1 spell slot cast per day per level.
Benefit: The Bard gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Bard does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Dragon Shaman
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Dragon Shaman starts play with only 1 Draconic aura, gaining +1 aura every odd level thereafter with a maximum known of 5 at 9th level.
Benefit: The Dragon Shaman gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Dragon Shaman does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Dragonfire Adept
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Dragonfire Adept's breath weapon deals d4's instead of d6's.
Benefit: The Dragonfire Adept gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Dragonfire Adept does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Duskblade
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Duskblade loses 1 spell known per level and 1 spell slot cast per day per level.
Benefit: The Duskblade gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Duskblade does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Fighter
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Fighter does not gain a bonus fighter feat at 4th or every even level thereafter, instead he gains a bonus fighter feat at 5th level and every 3 levels thereafter. (8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 20th)
Benefit: The Fighter gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Fighter does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Hexblade
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Hexblade does not gain any spells or spellcasting levels.
Benefit: The Hexblade gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Hexblade does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Marshal
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Marshal loses the Grant Move action ability and any later improvements.
Benefit: The Marshal gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Marshal does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Monk
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Monk loses all his bonus feats and his Unarmed strike damage die is one die smaller. (Medium is d4, Large is d6 and small is d2)
Benefit: The Monk gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Monk does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Paladin
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Paladin does not gain any spells or spellcasting levels.
Benefit: The Paladin gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Paladin does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Psychic Warrior
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Psychic Warrior loses 1 power known per level and power points dependent on his level. See table below.
Benefit: The Psychic Warrior gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Psychic Warrior does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
{table=head][b]Level]/b]|Power points / day|Powers known|Maximum Power Level Known
1|0|1|1st
2|0|1|1st
3|1|2|1st
4|3|2|2nd
5|5|3|2nd
6|7|4|2nd
7|11|4|3rd
8|15|5|3rd
9|19|6|3rd
10|23|6|4th
11|27|7|4th
12|35|8|4th
13|43|8|5th
14|51|9|5th
15|59|10|5th
16|67|10|6th
17|79|11|6th
18|91|12|6th
19|103|13|6th
20|115|14|6th
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Ranger
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Ranger does not gain any spells or spellcasting levels.
Benefit: The Ranger gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Ranger does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Rogue
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Rogue's sneak attack ability deals d4's instead of d6's.
Benefit: The Rogue gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Rogue does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Scout
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The scouts Skirmish ability deals d4's instead of d6's and also loses Evasion at 5th level.
Benefit: The Scout gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Scout does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Soulknife
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Level: 4th
Replaces: The Soulknives Mind blade ability deals d6's instead of d8's and loses Wild talent at 1st level.
Benefit: The Soulknife gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Soulknife does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
Warlock
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Level: 1st
Replaces: The Warlocks Eldritch Blast ability deals d4's instead of d6's.
Benefit: The Warlock gains the ability to shape soulmelds, gaining an essentia pool and access to soulmelds equivalent to a Soulborn. The Warlock does not unlock any chakras or the ability to bind his soulmelds to them. Otherwise this ability functions exactly like the Soulborns Soulmeld ability.
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Re: Incarnum Redone (3.5)[PEACH]
Funny, I read through MoI today and this is on the front page of Homebrew...
Anyway...
Incarnum Body (Ex): Your levels in Incandescent Champion stack with your levels in the Incarnum class used to enter this prestige class for purposes of determining your Max Essentia capacity and amount of essentia. If you have multiple classes before entering this prestige class, you must choose one to progress.
Cerulean Fortitude, Reflexes, Will, and Critical are Incarnum versions of Great Fortitude, Lightning Reflexes, Iron Will, and Improved Critical, so why not let them be used in place of their respective feats, like you have with Dodge/Toughness?
Speaking of which, why keep Azure Toughness as temporary HP? Would making it (1/2Meldshaper Level) bonus HP per essentia be too powerful?
You mixed up the Soulborn and Incarnate Aligned Soulmeld features
Incarnate: You can bind a chakra before you get access to one. Should be 0 @ level 1
Soulborn: You get only the ONE smite? even regular soulborn had 5 at 20
Totemist: Is full BAB really necessary on them? Totemists, from what I've seen on the forums, are all about massive amounts of natural attacks.
You put small unarmed attacks at 2 die sizes smaller. It should be d3
Why get rid of the bonus feats? Those are pretty much the only good things on a monk! Swap that with losing slow fall (all levels) and half the speed bonus? I would have suggested the unarmored AC bonus as well (but keeping the Wis->AC), but that's already in Skarn monk subs.
Maybe allow monks to invest essentia into Slow Fall, allowing them to treat falls as 20ft shorter per essentia invested? Show the poor monk some love!Last edited by Hellfire014; 2012-11-17 at 02:51 AM.
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2012-11-17, 03:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Woops
I missed that somehow, and forgot that they have no known infusions, so I'm going to remove them from the list.
how strange.
Incarnum Body is vastly inferior to +1 Meldshaper Class. Only increasing the meldshaping level and essentia, wheres the additional soulmelds and chakra binds you can create?
Cerulean Fortitude, Reflexes, Will, and Critical are Incarnum versions of Great Fortitude, Lightning Reflexes, Iron Will, and Improved Critical, so why not let them be used in place of their respective feats, like you have with Dodge/Toughness?
Speaking of which, why keep Azure Toughness as temporary HP? Would making it (1/2Meldshaper Level) bonus HP per essentia be too powerful?
You mixed up the Soulborn and Incarnate Aligned Soulmeld features
Incarnate: You can bind a chakra before you get access to one. Should be 0 @ level 1
Soulborn: You get only the ONE smite? even regular soulborn had 5 at 20
Originally Posted by SoulBornTotemist: Is full BAB really necessary on them? Totemists, from what I've seen on the forums, are all about massive amounts of natural attacks.
You put small unarmed attacks at 2 die sizes smaller. It should be d3
Why get rid of the bonus feats? Those are pretty much the only good things on a monk! Swap that with losing slow fall (all levels) and half the speed bonus? I would have suggested the unarmored AC bonus as well (but keeping the Wis->AC), but that's already in Skarn monk subs.
Maybe allow monks to invest essentia into Slow Fall, allowing them to treat falls as 20ft shorter per essentia invested? Show the poor monk some love!Spoiler
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“Gnyðja mundu nú grísir, ef þeir vissi, hvat inn gamli þyldi” -Ragnar Lodbrok
"I have a high art; I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me." -Archilochus
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2012-11-17, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Azure Toughness in MoI is not just +3 temporary HP, it is +3 max HP for each essentia invested
you missed the point about Having only 1 Smite ever, as in normally classes that get smiting have it 5/day at 20My Homebrew: found here.
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2012-11-17, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Incarnum Redone (3.5)[PEACH]
I haven't had time to look through all of it (just Totemist), but so far is looks awesome. We are of similar opinion with some of the... well, things that need improving with MoI. Nice work, BelGareth.
Edit: Oh right, minor note. Used affect when should have been effect.Last edited by danzibr; 2012-11-17 at 01:49 PM.
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Re: Incarnum Redone (3.5)[PEACH]
Looking back, I realized I changed it to temp HP's to reduce the impact of reinvesting essentia, for which I locked the feat. So with that said, I can change it back to bonus HP's like it used to be.
you missed the point about Having only 1 Smite ever, as in normally classes that get smiting have it 5/day at 20
Thanks! Look forward to see what you think of it once you have sifted through it all.Spoiler
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I don't know much about the other classes, but as far as the buffs to Totemist, I gotta say I like it. They needed more essentia pretty badly. Also, from what I remember of the soulmelds (Girallon Arms, for example), I like the changes there too.
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“Take but degree away, untune that string, And, hark, what discord follows!” -Shakespeare
“Gnyðja mundu nú grísir, ef þeir vissi, hvat inn gamli þyldi” -Ragnar Lodbrok
"I have a high art; I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me." -Archilochus
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Question: If all the meldshapers in your revision can bind pretty much all their melds, why place a limit at all? Why not just let any soulmeld you have be able to be bound? There is already a limit on the melds available and binds you can use, and to a lesser extent essentia available to make use of the bind, so why put in a fourth restriction?
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2012-11-23, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Interesting. I personally don't think some of the things you 'fixed' were a problem, but it's a matter o viewpoint; incarnum was perhaps one of (if not the) best balanced options in the game. It's just that everything else is so wonky...
I think full base attack bonus on the foremost would be bad, myself. They get, what, upwards of ten attacks a round? They weren't based on the ranger, they were based on the monk – medium attack, mobile, multiple strikes. Only they succeeded where the monk failed. Totemism was already the best incarnum class, which means it is the one least requiring such a boost.
Haven't looked at everything yet. Not sure I will, as I've been really touchy lately and I don't think muh of incarnum needs to be fixed. Except necrocsrnum, high was fluffed as "evil because we say so" and that's stupid. I mean was an actual explanation so hard?
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This is looking pretty awesome, and I'm about to test it out in a short-term campaign. Out of curiosity, do you have any work done on updating the Ironsoul Forgemaster?
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Well, actually some of them cannot, there is a slight shift in variance as to when they receive them and how many they can bind, the incarnate for example is like this.
I disagree with the full bab thing, and especially with comparing it to the monk (for which i believe should have full bab), matter of opinion i guess, fortunately a DM can just say 'with medium BAB' and boom you're good to go.
Thanks,I am working on the Ironsoul Forgemaster currently, as i'm also working on some unique items that im going to link to the class (as well as open it to other races, racial PRC's are yucky)scratch that, I'm working on it right now...
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Ironsoul Forgemaster
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Requirements
Alignment: Any non evil
Skills: Craft (armorsmithing or weaponsmithing) 8 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 2 ranks.
Meldshaping: Ability to shape soulmelds.
Class skills (4 + Int Modifier per level): The Ironsoul Forgemaster's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Knowledge (arcana) (Int), Knowledge (religion) (Int), Knowledge (Incarnum) (Int), Profession (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), and Spellcraft (Int).
Hit Dice: d8
{table=head]Level|BAB|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special
1st| +0| +1 | +0 | +1 |Incarnum Body, Secrets of the Forge
2nd| +1 | +1| +1 | +1 |Shieldmeld
3rd| +2 | +2 | +1 | +2 |Armormeld, Forge Lore
4th| +3 | +2 | +1 | +2 |Greater Shieldmeld
5th| +3 | +3 | +2 | +3 |Weaponmeld, Greater Armormeld
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Weapon and Armor Proficiency: You gain no new proficiencies with weapons, armor, or shields.
Incarnum Body (Ex): Your levels in Ironsoul Forgemaster stack with your levels in the Incarnum class used to enter this prestige class for purposes of determining your Max Essentia capacity, amount of essentia and Chakras unlocked. If you have multiple classes before entering this prestige class, you must choose one to progress.
Secrets of the Forge (Ex): At 1st level, you gain Craft Magic Arms and Armor (see page 81 of the Player’s Handbook) as a bonus feat, even if you do not meet the prerequisites. Your effective caster level for the purpose of crafting magic arms and armor is three times your ironsoul forgemaster level. For example, a 5th-level incarnate/2ndlevel ironsoul forgemaster is treated as a 6th-level caster for the purpose of creating magic arms and armor. These effective levels also stack with any other caster levels that might apply. You must still meet any other prerequisites for creating the desired item, such as other feats or the casting of specific spells. This stipulation might mean that you need the assistance of other characters to create a particular item.
Shieldmeld (Su): At 2nd level, you create a special bond with any shield that you craft. This bond allows you to invest essentia in the shield as if it were a soulmeld. Doing so grants you resistance 3 per point of invested essentia against acid,
cold, electricity, fire, and sonic damage. You gain this ability only while using the shield for defense, not while carrying it on your back or in a container. If you stop using the shield, you lose the ability until you use it again, though you can reinvest the essentia in another soulmeld or ability on your next turn, as normal.
At 4th level this ability improves, allowing the Forgemaster to shape a greater shieldmeld, the forgemaster gains an insight bonus to his shield bonus to AC equal to half the amount of essentia invested. This is in addition to the energy resistance.
Forge Lore (Ex): When you attain 3rd level, the soul energy flowing through your mind and body establishes a connection to the souls of your people’s ancestral forgemasters. This soul-to-soul communion grants you an insight bonus equal to double your ironsoul forgemaster level on all Craft (armorsmithing) and Craft (weaponsmithing) checks.
Armormeld (Su): At 3rd level, you create a special bond with any suit of armor that you craft. This bond allows you to invest essentia in the armor as if it were a soulmeld. Doing so reduces the armor check penalty and increases the maximum dexterity modifier by the amount of essentia invested.
At 5th level this ability improves, allowing the Forgemaster to shape a greater armormeld, the ironsoul forgemaster gains damage reduction n/—, where n is equal the points of essentia invested. This damage reduction stacks with any damage reduction of the same kind granted by the armor.
You gain this ability only while wearing the armor in the usual way. If you stop wearing it or if it is destroyed, you lose the ability until you put it on again, though you can reinvest the essentia in another soulmeld or ability on your next turn as normal.
Weaponmeld (Su): At 5th level, you create a special bond with any weapon that you craft. This bond allows you to invest essentia in the weapon as if it were a soulmeld. Doing so grants you an insight bonus equal to the number of points of invested essentia on your rolls to hit and twice that on your damage rolls. If you have at least 1 point of essentia invested in the weapon, it also dazes any living opponent you strike with it for 1 round (Fortitude negates, DC 10 + invested essentia + Con modifier).
You gain this ability only while wielding the weapon in the usual way. If you stop wielding it, you lose the ability until you pick it up again, though you can reinvest the essentia in another soulmeld or ability on your next turn as normal.
Last edited by BelGareth; 2012-12-17 at 03:56 AM.
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"I have a high art; I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me." -Archilochus
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