MS Paint Adventures 7: At the Price of Oblivion

[Derjuin]

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Correction: Terezi never went god-tier. She was just able to survive the stabbing by being awesome.

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After the clown smackdown and being stabbed in a way that's proved lethal in 99% of cases (p. much everyone who gets stabbed in this story dies right after like it's a dying fad they're trying desperately to bring back) I'm starting to think... maybe she's slowly undergoing miraculously-timed juggalorphosis from all the Faygo she drank? I don't think anyone else except Gamzee has taken that much of a beating and just kind of shrugged it off.

[Oracle_Hunter]

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After the clown smackdown and being stabbed in a way that's proved lethal in 99% of cases (p. much everyone who gets stabbed in this story dies right after like it's a dying fad they're trying desperately to bring back) I'm starting to think... maybe she's slowly undergoing miraculously-timed juggalorphosis from all the Faygo she drank? I don't think anyone else except Gamzee has taken that much of a beating and just kind of shrugged it off.

I approve of this WMG Theory

[Derjuin]

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Oh yeah, as for how Sp8der Knockoff is using such powerful telekinesis (or telekinesis at all, since the Serks are mind controlly, not telekinesisy, unless something changed and I didn't notice it): she has mind controlled a bunch of ghost!Damaras, and they are using their telekinesis in tandem.

At least I assume that's what it is.

[The Mormegil]

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I think y'all have it wrong. John's TTT is not going to be used to save everyone. John's TTT is going to be used to canon-ify a doomed timeline (this one), effectively killing all his friends. Then we're going to have a few arcs where everything goes incredibly wrong before putting the pieces back together (possibly through a better TTT).

Also I'm ready to bet Gamzee isn't dead. He's going to blurb something about being unable to walk in a future update, you'll see.

[Fralex]

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Which means the following remain alive (or at least not permanently dead):

• Rose: failed vengeance is not Heroic, so she should revive. Teleported by Roxy to parts unknown.
• Roxy: teleported with Rose to parts unknown.
• Terezi: God Tier who was not killed by Aranea's psychokinetically inflicted self-stabbing and is standing on an improbably intact part of LOFAF.
• Jack Noir & Postmistress: hanging out by Jade's Quest Bed, all set for a corpse party.
• Aranea: being throttled by The Condesce in mid-air.
• The Condesce: throttling Aranea in mid-air.
• Dirk: still way off in the Medium
• Cyber-Jack: ditto
• John & Caliborn: different time, different space.

I wrote that as much for my own benefit as for anyone else's

Excuse ME, you seem to have forgotten the mayor.

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Just a friendly reminder that, if this story and Aradia have taught us anything, death isn't the end of anyone. Far from it, as it would turn out.

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Welp.

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Yeah, John's got work to do retconjuring.

EDIT: Huh. You know, on the plus side, Caliope has more company now...

*maddened laughter*

HUSSIE!

Okay, I'm feeling a lot better about this update now.

[Great equalizer]

This is insane.
I really can't see this not being undone one way or another.

I figured Jade might get revived ever since BN and PM went for her Quest Bed, although that would spoil her talk with Callie...

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• Rose: failed vengeance is not Heroic, so she should revive. Teleported by Roxy to parts unknown.
• Roxy: teleported with Rose to parts unknown.
• Terezi: God Tier who was not killed by Aranea's psychokinetically inflicted self-stabbing and is standing on an improbably intact part of LOFAF.
• Jack Noir & Postmistress: hanging out by Jade's Quest Bed, all set for a corpse party.
• Aranea: being throttled by The Condesce in mid-air.
• The Condesce: throttling Aranea in mid-air.
• Dirk: still way off in the Medium
• Cyber-Jack: ditto
• John & Caliborn: different time, different space.

You also forgot Spades Slick and the Felt.

[Emperor Time]

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Yeah I think John will fix this which will bring the timeline back to when Aranea is about to get the ring of life from Gamzee but this time around she doesn't get to wear it. Which then becomes the actual alpha timeline.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Potato!

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Interestingly, removing the Ring of Life counts as a "death" as far as God Tier is concerned. Also, John popped into post-disaster land so either he's just here to learn that he has to stop something terrible or Hussie is doing a thing I can't envision.

It's a coin flip between those too, to be honest

[AgentPaper]

Potato!

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Interestingly, removing the Ring of Life counts as a "death" as far as God Tier is concerned. Also, John popped into post-disaster land so either he's just here to learn that he has to stop something terrible or Hussie is doing a thing I can't envision.

It's a coin flip between those too, to be honest

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I read that more as her taking off the ring to prevent her from coming back, then snapping her neck and tossing her into the fire to kill her.

[Oracle_Hunter]

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I read that more as her taking off the ring to prevent her from coming back, then snapping her neck and tossing her into the fire to kill her.

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Ah, then simply removing the ring wouldn't have done anything. Which means many people can, in fact, benefit from the Ring of Life at once.

[AgentPaper]

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Ah, then simply removing the ring wouldn't have done anything. Which means many people can, in fact, benefit from the Ring of Life at once.

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Well, only if you find a way to get it into the dream bubbles. Which it seems is very much possible, but not exactly easy.

[Oracle_Hunter]

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Well, only if you find a way to get it into the dream bubbles. Which it seems is very much possible, but not exactly easy.

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Mostly it seems to involve falling asleep with the ring on, and then giving it to some ghost before you wake up.

[AgentPaper]

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Mostly it seems to involve falling asleep with the ring on, and then giving it to some ghost before you wake up.

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I don't think it works that way, does it? You fall asleep, and wake up as your dream self (who happens to be dead), but you don't transfer your belongings, hence why dream selves always wear those special pajamas rather than what they were wearing when they went to sleep.

[mythmonster2]

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I don't think it works that way, does it? You fall asleep, and wake up as your dream self (who happens to be dead), but you don't transfer your belongings, hence why dream selves always wear those special pajamas rather than what they were wearing when they went to sleep.

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It was established at some point that the ring is different. After all, John got it in the dream, woke up, and had it in his possession.

[Derjuin]

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Can anyone identify the troll in the lower-right of this page? It's just too faded for me to make it out, and those features I can identify don't seem to match any of the trolls.

[Great equalizer]

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Can anyone identify the troll in the lower-right of this page? It's just too faded for me to make it out, and those features I can identify don't seem to match any of the trolls.

Either Aranea or Vriska, I think.

(is it alright not to spoil it?..)

[AgentPaper]

Either Aranea or Vriska, I think.

(is it alright not to spoil it?..)

It's Aranea. You can just about make out one of her horns, which has the distinctive half-moon on the end.

And yeah, I think we're ok for no spoilers now.

[Great equalizer]

The wiki says it's Mindfang.

[Oracle_Hunter]

The wiki says it's Mindfang.

Mindfang is the dancestor of Vriska -- but in Beforeus, her name was Aranea.

[Draconi Redfir]

right, but arena is not mindfang, and they are not one and the same despite physically sharing the same DNA,t hey're like clones.

it's mindfang.

[Hytheter]

It's Aranea. You can just about make out one of her horns, which has the distinctive half-moon on the end.

Aranea and Vriska have identical horns...

[Shadow of the Sun]

right, but arena is not mindfang, and they are not one and the same despite physically sharing the same DNA,t hey're like clones.

it's mindfang.

However, it is worth noting that Aranea wanted to be as much like Mindfang as possible; spending time with Vriska made her realize that, and also prompted her to go just a wee bit craz(ier).

[Great equalizer]

Did Hussie have any comments on [S] Rex Duodecim Angelus?

[Radar]

Concerning mass ressurections with The Ring:
You don't have to fall asleep to enter a dream bubble - remember the meteor ride? All those dream bubles are somewhere out there in The Furthest Ring. If only there were people able to navigate in it... Granted, they might be dead (although I wouldn't be so sure about Rose), but has that ever stoped anyone? Also relevant: Roxy can pull out pretty much everything out of The Void, should it apply to people as well? How else would she just so happen to be, where she needed to.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Concerning mass ressurections with The Ring:
You don't have to fall asleep to enter a dream bubble - remember the meteor ride? All those dream bubles are somewhere out there in The Furthest Ring. If only there were people able to navigate in it... Granted, they might be dead (although I wouldn't be so sure about Rose), but has that ever stoped anyone? Also relevant: Roxy can pull out pretty much everything out of The Void, should it apply to people as well? How else would she just so happen to be, where she needed to.

So, traveling *out* of the Medium to the Furthest Ring is not feasible at this point because everyone who can shove a meteor like that is dead and/or mind-controlled. Also, it'd screw the Void Session even more than it already is.

Roxy didn't just happen to be where she needed to be: she was unconscious nearby, so she just had to wake up sometime during the cataclysmic battle. As far as we know, she hasn't progressed much beyond Pumpkins as far as her Void-Grabbing abilities have gone.

[Aquillion]

That doesn't matter, though, since we know you can take the Ring of Life out to the Furthest Ring by falling asleep with it on -- that's how Aranea got it in the first place.

It's also possible you can revive someone by putting it on their corpse. We haven't seen it tried. If that's the case, HIC can put her plans back on track simply by putting the ring on Jane and having her revive whoever else she decides she needs. I doubt it will be that easy, though.

[Calemyr]

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Whoa. It's Hivebent all over again. It's a corpse party and everyone is invited. Well, we've found that the ring "permanently" brings people back to life (although they still die if they are killed while not wearing the ring), and this colossal muck up is entirely thanks to our resident Beforus busybody.

At least Kanaya got to go Psycho-Slayer on Gamzee before she died. She's wanted to for three years, and now we see how right she was in the first place. I'd love to see that clown come back from that.

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I can see a few ways this could go forward.
1) John teleports and steals his ring back from Gamzee/Aranea before she can wear it.
2) John/Condesce use the ring to resurrect individuals that matter to them and the plot moves on. (Condesce likely has use for Jane, Jade, and Kanaya)
3) Everyone who's dead now goes to the dream bubbles and learn a lot from them, but stay dead while the plot moves on (like Hivebent).
4) Jane survives because the "just" death was that of her AI alter-ego (how is dying while mind controlled "just"?). She does a lifey thing that relieves some of the damage (probably can't help Karkat or Gamzee, as one fell into the lava and the other is in four pieces).

One thing worth noting? Jake hasn't fulfilled his obligation yet to the creation of Lord English. The page was supposed to be the rival that finally pushed him over the edge, wasn't he? John's epic beat down of the Lord of Time was do to his teleport, so it's not "canon", which is to say not predetermined by causality, while the clustercuddle back on the Land of Frost and Frogs is "canon" because nothing that led up to it is related to John's teleporting (unless John's presence would have prevented it, which I suppose is possible, but I doubt it). For the canon story to work right, Jake needs to survive this. I believe the outcome now no longer requires this thanks to John, but the whole value of teleporting is that canon is blind to it. So it seems very likely that canon is still in play and something is meant to intervene and bring at least Jake (whose death was officially labeled heroic and thus real) back from the brink. Come to think of it, Condesce might do that herself, seeing Jake as the best weapon in her arsenal against her master.

[Tectonic Robot]

In regards to Calemyr, I'm glad the canon which all the seers have touted is finally thrown off tilt--instead of Jake, now John. Amazing.

[mythmonster2]

Alternatively, it's possible that Caliborn may have just confused John with Jake? The two do look rather similar, not accounting for clothes differences.