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2007-01-01, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I'd say a non-bending warrior can still finction fine in a world full of Benders (Sokka, anyone?)
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2007-01-01, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-01-01, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-01-01, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I had an interesting idea for a campaign using the benders. Basically the backstory would go that this campaign was like 2,000 years in the future of the Avatar world. Things have evolved greatly. You still have benders, but now you also have Magic and even Psionics. The story of how that happens goes like this.
People without bending training watched benders and learned powers which they controlled a similiar way, becoming warlocks. After years of this others watching the warlocks refined the powers into more versitale spells, becoming sorcerers. Training and study brought about wizards. Some wizards worked hard to refine the powers of their minds, becoming the first psions. Now bending, magic, and psionics all have their places in the world, though magic is the most common, with bending becoming less common in the past millenia. It is still a big part of the world though. Psionics would be fairly new, so also rarer than magic.
Also, while I'm on it, people who got closer to the spirit world learned to become spirit shamans, others got closer to physical nature, becoming druids. Clerics evolved from these two groups.
I might be starting a campaign of this soon, that is if I am giving permission by the creator to use them this way?Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
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2007-01-02, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I'd like to play either a Northern Water Tribe warrior or a Firebender, depending on what the rest of the party chooses (I chose NWT in hopes of avoiding The Curse of Sokka, but I seem to get 1's, 2's, and 3's just as often, so I don't know how much good it will do). Can I get permission to use kanachi's Samurai class? Also, what system will you be using for ability scores?
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2007-01-02, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I mean no disrespect but I feel I should be honest.
No. This is a bad bad bad idea. Bending isn't the result of magic. Bending isn't something you get because an ancestor got frisky with another species (Or if it is, they haven't told anyone.), but more importantly you've promptly removed all benefit of bending by introducing wizards and psions back into the mix. Lets remember that the Bending classes are still essentially diffrent kinds of warlock at the end of the day, and with wizards and psions running around no one will want to be out shined by the wizard or psion and just won't pick a bending class. Even though these bending classes are probably more powerful then a regular warlock.
But most importantly, the flavor of all the classes involved don't support that kind of idea. It would take some serious modification from the show and on the original idea you came up with to plausibly allow for an Avatar game with wizards and psions and not having it be Oriental Adventures with bending.Warriors & Wuxia: A community world-building project focused on low-magic wuxia/kung-fu action using ToB.
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2007-01-02, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-01-02, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-01-02, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I second that. Ew. And also, Katasi, i mean no disrespect, but i don't think it's a very good idea. Bending isn't magic, although Sokka once thought it to be. Plus, from what i gather, we're trying to create a world as similar to the avatar world as possible (with the obvious changes of bending two elements) I think adding wizards and psions would throw off the balance of what we're trying to create.
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2007-01-02, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Sokka Doesn't just function, he learns, he's the plan guy, the adapting fighter. He held his ground against Ty Lee who easily disabled a squadron of powerful Earthbenders.
Hey, Should we have a Ty-Lee like class? You know, one that can disable Bending, a phusical phighter with an edge over Benders?
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2007-01-02, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
A Ty-Lee class would be a start, but with bending out of the way a focus on some PrC's for the poor warriors of the Avatar world might be in order. Crazed Chi-Blocking Acrobats, Knife-Throwing Goths, and Baby-Seal-Clubbing-Eskimo-Knights; the Benders shouldn't get all the fun.
It might also be worth looking into an alternate for equipment, because the lack of enchanting in the Avatar world will be a big disadvantage for the warriors, even with magic-users being replaced by a much more low-key level of power from the 'benders.
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2007-01-03, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Hey, Katarl, nice idea for a character. I might, if/when the game is made and I'm let in, make a waterbender. My question is how much a... say a Gaara-sized gourd full of water might weigh? See, I also want to get around the possible limitations an Earth or Water bender may face with not having enough of their element around, and I feel that a waterskin is not enough for an actual fight.
A container of water of waterskin size is 4lbs, mostly water, a gaara size one is probably 4x that, since medieval waterskins are quite big. It would be enough to use since you can just re-use it if it spills. Kataara manages that way, you see. Water doesn't block you using move a rock, so thats 100ft+10ft/level you can pull earth from, so you shouldn't have a problem with ammo.Last edited by katarl; 2007-01-04 at 02:58 PM.
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2007-01-03, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
It really isn't necessary, though. The way I see it, Ty Lee is just a monk with maybe a specialized "takes one use of stunning fist" feat, Sokka is just a fighter who doesn't use armor, and crazy goth girl is a rouge with a ranged build and some specialized weaponry. All you'd really need to do is create feats and equipment to augment existing classes.
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2007-01-03, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Disable Bending [General]
Kain suddenly felt himself unable to move the earth around him. He couldn't defend himself as the monk who had caused him to lose his ability battered him around with her staff.
Prerequisites: Dex 15+, Int 13+, Stunning Fist
Benefits: By using a standard action, you may apply enough force to a pressure point to render a bender useless. Grabbing a pressure point requires an attack roll that provokes an attack of opportunity against an opponent's AC with a -4 penalty due to trying to grab a smaller area. On a successful roll, you disable the pressure point. For every pressure point disabled, a bender's ability to use forms and abilities is treated as if he is one level lower. To actually disable the bending ability entirely, you must disable an amount of pressure points equal to the opponent's bending level. If the opponent has multiple bending classes, you must decide to which class the pressure point disables.
Special: You gain +2 on your attack roll made using this skill if you have 5 or more ranks in the tumble skill.
Non-Benders are immune to this feat.
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2007-01-03, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
...And that lasts how long?
Work in progress.
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2007-01-03, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Thats a good start to disable bending but I see a couple things wrong with it.
1. Like U said, it needs a duration.
2. The mechanic for disabling the bending itself. The first time you see a bender be disabled is after Season One when Ty Lee does it to Katara in like 4-6 hits (roughly) and by that point I hardly think that Katara is a mere 6th level bender. Not to mention it took much probably like a two full round actions to do, which would probably be impossible by your method. That would be two bending levels gone.Warriors & Wuxia: A community world-building project focused on low-magic wuxia/kung-fu action using ToB.
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2007-01-03, 09:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Disable Bending [General]
Kain suddenly felt himself unable to move the earth around him. He couldn't defend himself as the monk who had caused him to lose his ability battered him around with her staff.
Prerequisites: Dex 15+, Int 13+, Stunning Fist
Benefits: By using a standard action, you may apply enough force to a pressure point to render a bender useless. Grabbing a pressure point requires an attack roll that provokes an attack of opportunity against an opponent's AC with a -4 penalty due to trying to grab a smaller area. On a successful roll, you disable the pressure point, and one extra pressure point for every 3 points your roll exceeds the opponents AC. For every pressure point disabled, a bender's ability to use forms and abilities is treated as if he is one level lower. To actually disable the bending ability entirely, you must disable an amount of pressure points equal to the opponent's bending level. If the opponent has multiple bending classes, you must decide to which class the pressure point disables. 1d4 pressure points return to normal for every hour since one has been disabled.
Special: You gain +2 on your attack roll made using this skill if you have 5 or more ranks in the tumble skill.
Non-Benders are immune to this feat.
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2007-01-04, 05:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Healing Disciple
{table=head]Level|Base Attack[br]Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special|Forms Known
1st|+0|+2|+0|+2|Healer's Touch, Lesser Healing Forms|1
2nd|+0|+3|+0|+3|Heal 2/day|1
3rd|+1|+3|+1|+3|Stabilize|2
4th|+2|+4|+1|+4|Heal 3/day,Moderate Healing Forms|2
5th|+3|+4|+1|+4|Transfer Life|3
6th|+4|+5|+2|+5|Heal 4/day|3
7th|+5|+5|+2|+5|Major Heal 2/day|4
8th|+6|+6|+2|+6|Heal 5/day, Greater Healing Forms|4
9th|+7|+6|+3|+6|Purify Body 1/day, Major Heal 3/day|5
10th|+8|+7|+3|+7|Purify Body 2/day, Heal 6/day|5[/table]
Hit Die:D4
Alignment: Any (tending towards good and neutrality)
Class Skills:Concentration, Heal, Swim
Skill Points Per Level:2
Prerequisites:Water Bending, Heal-10, Concentration-10, Able to use Moderate Waterbending Forms
Special: Healing Disciple levels stack with waterbender levels to determine x/day for healing water forms. Healing Disciples my substitute Healing Water, Greater to be one of their Moderate Healing Forms if the do not already have it from waterbending.
Healers Touch- Whenever a Healing Disciple touches her hand to the chest of another person the Healer can immediatly tell and diseases that person has, as well as getting a general idea as to how close to death they are.
Heal x/day- Heals 1d8 HP
Stabilize- Sabilizes a person with 0 to -9 HP
Transfer Life- A Healer may transfer up to 5 HP per round to a person who she is touching. These HP are reduced from the Healer's own HP.
Major Heal x/day-Heals 1d12 HP
Purify Body- A healer may instantly heal one person, including themselves, to full HP, but only while that person is totally submerged in water, head included.
Lesser Healing Forms
Detect Poison- Functions as the spell of the same name
Purify Water- Purifies 1 gallon of water
Watery Health- Gives target +1 temporary HP/PRC level. This bonus lasts for as long as the Healer can concentrate [concentration check DC 15, target must be within 10 ft/PRC level]
Moderate Healing Forms
Healing Hand- Touched person is healed 1 HP per round.
Improved Watery Health- As Watery Health, except the target gains +2 temporary HP/PRC level, must be within 5 ft/PRC level, and DC check is 20.
Cure Wounds- Stops bleeding
Greater Healing Forms
Greater Watery Health- As Watery Health, except the target gains +3 temporary HP/PRC level, must be within 10 ft/PRC level, and the DC check is 25.
Freeze Blood- Causes one opponent's blood to freeze, dealing 1d20 damage, Fort save for 1/2 damage, DC 20+ Healer's PRC level.
Stop Blood Flow- Stops the blood flow within an opponent's body, causing instant death unless the opponent manages a Fortitude save of DC 25+1/2 Healer's PRC levelLast edited by Katasi; 2007-01-04 at 06:04 AM.
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2007-01-04, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I gotta disagree with you on that one. Her blocking bending/paralization ability might be SIMULAR to a monk's stunning fist, but everything else about her SCREAMS ninja. Just look at the way she snuck up on Katara during the battle in Omashu/New Ozai, or the jump she made from the back of that lizard when they where tracking the avatar and his friends with the tank.
Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
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2007-01-04, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
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2007-01-04, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Jump, hide, and move silently are all class skills for the monk. Plus she has that whole "physical and spiritual perfection" thing going. Plus, she only fights unarmed. Ninjas like the stabity stab.
Either way it's a moot point, though. I wasn't trying to discuss what Ty Lee would be, only saying that her existence really doesn't warrent the creation of new classes.
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2007-01-04, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I'm in love...
Uhh... I've been skimming the list (I want to go back and study it a bit more when i actually have time) and I agreed with Katasi's list of PrC and Base Classes, but I guess that's a good at this point.
The thing that's killing me is the Flying Bison without a swim speed. They're technically a combination of Manatee and Bison. I think when I get time I'm going to try and play creature maker... I love the animals in the Avatar world. And while the main characters don't deal with a lot of animal encounters that doesn't mean a game in the Avatar world wouldn't end up with the players running into a lot of them.Do not look for flashy signs or a plethora of code in my signature. I prefer my words alone to prove myself.
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2007-01-04, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Aw man, PBP game is over already? ANy plans on another one? Because I'd like to do this, and I don't think that my IRL group would be up for doing this.
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2007-01-04, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I like Cael's Disable Bending feat. It may not be perfectly faithful to the show, but it works well and looks balanced (though a -4 penalty may be too much; how about no penalty if the target is unarmored, -2 light armor, -4 medium armor, -6 heavy armor). Also, while Ninjas are awesome and having her be one could only make her cooler, I agree that Ty Lee fits the Monk class much better than Ninja.
My take on the Spirit World:
The Spirit Fringe
- Normal Gravity
- Static (there is likely nothing to change anyway)
- Mildly neutral-aligned
- No Bending (normal spirit powers)
Note: The Ghost Sight, Ghost Step (ethereal), Ghost Strike, and Ghost Walk abilities of the Ninja class access the Spirit Fringe rather than the Ethereal Plane, but are otherwise unchanged.
The Spirit World- Highly Morphic
- No Bending (normal spirit powers)
- Normal Time
Spirit Feats:
Spirit Sight
Your understanding of the Spirit World allows you to see creatures and object on the Spirit Fringe
Prerequisites: Wis 15+, Knowledge (Spirits) 12 ranks
Benefit: You are considered to be on both the Material Plane and the Spirit Fringe with respect to being able to perceive creatures and objects on either plane.
Spirit Walk
You can seperate your spirit from your body and travel the Spirit Fringe.
Prerequisites: Wis 17+, Spirit Sight, Knowledge (Spirits) and Concentration 15 ranks
Benefit: By making a DC 30 Concentration check (you may take 10 or20 if circumstances allow) as a full-round action,your spirit may leave your body behind and travel the Spirit Fringe. You must return to your body to return to the Material Plane; if it is moved you may make a DC 20 Wisdom check to determine what direction it is in. If either your physical or spiritual body is damaged, you must make a DC 20 Will save or automaticly return to your body and the Material Plane; you may intentionally fail this check.
Special: The Avatar receives this feat for free regardless of whether he or she meets the prerequisites.
Spirit Journey
You have such a strong connection to the spirits that you may travel to their home.
Prerequisites: Wis 19+, Spirit Sight, Spirit Walk, Knowledge (Spirits) and Concentration 18 ranks
Benefit: While on the Spirit Fringe, you may make a second DC 30 concentration check to pass fully into the Spirit World. Alternitively you may make a DC 40 Concentration check to pass directly from the Material Plane to the Spirit World. While in the Spirit World, damage taken by your material body no longer returns you to it, but it is reflected in your spirit body, and when you return to the Spirit Fringe (which requires another DC 30 Concentration check or the intervention of a powerful spirit) having taken damage, you are immediately returned to your body unless you succeed at a DC 30 Will save, which you may intentionally fail.
Special: The Avatar receives this feat for free regardless of whether he or she meets the prerequisites.
What do you think? Anyone up to statting out any spirit creatures?Last edited by X15lm204; 2007-01-04 at 06:30 PM.
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2007-01-04, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spirit Sight
Your understanding of the Spirit World allows you to see creatures and object on the Spirit Fringe
Prerequisites: Wis 15+, Knowledge (Spirits) 12 ranks
Benefit: While on either the Material Plane or the Spirit Fringe you are considered to be on both planes in respect to being able to perceive creatures and objects on either plane.
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2007-01-05, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
I like Cael's Disable Bending feat. It may not be perfectly faithful to the show, but it works well and looks balanced (though a -4 penalty may be too much; how about no penalty if the target is unarmored, -2 light armor, -4 medium armor, -6 heavy armor).Water, Earth, Fire, and Air: Benders of the Avatar worldAvatar By the amazing Mephibosheth
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2007-01-05, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-01-05, 01:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
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2007-01-05, 03:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
So far, I love all the ideas and the classes, I've been wracking my brain off and on over the last few months as to how to make benders and thier respective prc's into dnd.... and I'm really grateful that you guys did that for me... though I do have questions and comments...
1) Personally, I think all benders should have the improved unarmed strike class ability (whatever the monk gets)... As most them seem to be basically monks that have mastered an element or so... or rather traded out monk abilities for these quasi-warlock abilities. Don't know if that would make them over-powered or not...
2) How would these classes fare against wizards and sorcerors? Is there a possibility to take these out from it's context world and put into a more generic DnD game? It would seem that if built correctly, benders are greatly more powerful than a few caster classes, but immensely weaker than a select few...I'd pretty much like to see if benders can compete with them in any respectable level.
3) An interesting aspect about the show is that it has open ideas on how powerful benders get... I personally like and think that the waterbenders are the most powerful set of benders... due to the fact that water is about 70% of the body... any control of that can lead to interesting things... Personally I think that there would be PrC's or even Epic classes like the "Puppetmaster" with the ability to control other people's bodies or something across a waterbender with a knack for thermokinetics being able to boil your blood or dessicate you... Another would be a waterbender able to mix chemicals to form potions to poisons... Eh, these are just some thoughts though...
4) lastly can I get premission to use these in a game I'm thinking of running?
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2007-01-05, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air [class]
Aw man, PBP game is over already? ANy plans on another one? Because I'd like to do this, and I don't think that my IRL group would be up for doing this.
I disagree with this method, the whole system screams of touch attacks, maybe you make a full attack to disable one arm, and need a certain amount of hits to fully disable it, giving the bender a steep penalty to bending, and synergizing when both arms are out to make it nigh-impossible.