[Nexus] OoC 39: OoCside

[Deathkeeper]

Ah, but that's the point. What your character would and would not do is ultimately your decision. Pre-existing patterns are the norm, but not necessarily the defining source of action. A player can make a character deviate from their normal actions, so long as the deviation is consistently shown later. Zebes has a Berserk Button of being called a pet, for example, but sometimes I make him not react to it due to the circumstances or person in question, even though up until that point his character would have hissed every time the word was used.

Also, Darn you, Kris! You were right! I WASN'T READY.

[ThirdEmperor]

I agree with what LDK said.
I also agree that it's your character and you should play him as you like.

But if you're not going to bend characterization a little to have him fit in, you really don't get to get mad when others don't invent reasons to keep him around. Street goes both ways.

If you're looking for something to do with him, maybe have him join an ACRO. Or a plot. Or start a plot of your own involving him. Or just have him hang around taverns interacting with people.

[Ashen Lilies]

Also, Darn you, Kris! You were right! I WASN'T READY.

Whaaaaaaat. What did I do? I swear, if it's that thing with the tapioca pudding, it's not my fault! Magtok made me do it!

[Deathkeeper]

Nah, I just remembered a comment made during the last topic when I mentioned that I was reading Memory of Light when Asha'man started a WoT discussion. I have now finished it.

[Zefir]

*pokes Kris on a Stick to the Ritz Casino*

[KerfuffleMach2]

I disagree. I find that it works best for me to "be the character", which means I follow what they would and wouldn't do. For me, it's not a fallacy, it's the proper way to do it.

That is a good thing to do. I try to keep that in mind when I play my characters.

However, other people do the same. Which will create situations where characters don't want to interact. And you shouldn't really get upset when these situations pop up, cause, well, that's who the characters are.

Though, if you find this sort of thing happening to a character a lot, it may be time to reevaluate that character's personality.

[Darkcomet]

*scrolls up*

Well, LDK, TE, and KM2 already explained all that pretty well, I think.

I'll just comment that I don't think it's exactly worth getting mad at me over.

[ThirdEmperor]

*Pokes BR to MagCave*

[Shadowcaller]

Hey LDK?

Is Lex going to do anything special in Seaside or can I just post?

[Deathkeeper]

Um, I was seriously considering having him just shoot the leader and try to avoid the large-scale conflict, but I was trying to wait for my other scene, too. If it won't change much you can skip me.

[Shadowcaller]

Actually, that action would change a lot so I won't skip you.

[Darkcomet]

A tiny sphere attached to the robot's leg beeps, and a hologram of Harald's head appears.

"I heard that. Being ethical is different to being egomaniacal. If I'd been told the military were involved in this, I'd never have come."

GrandDM, this is entirely for your benefit here: attaching a listening device to Irregular property (the aforementioned giant robot) probably qualifies as espionage.

Which has rather nasty consequences with most any government or military organization, questionable morals or no.

So what I'm saying is, uh. You might want to reconsider that post, there, as I don't think either of us really wants to have that confrontation. Just thought I'd tell you because that's pretty much spying, right there. Even if it is horribly wasted spying being used to do nothing but argue.

[The Bushranger]

Also, I don't mean to pile on, but...sticking the device on the robot is kinda godmoddy, unless I missed something, because he was pretty much told don't touch the robot?

[Lady Serpentine]

Orchestra, meant to post earlier, but... I don't think my person can take a Houndoom/high-level Houndour at the moment, especially as they travel in packs...

[OrchestraHc]

It isn't "high level", and the pack has yet to be mentioned for a reason.

Even so, is there something you would prefer?

[5a Violista]

Orchestra, meant to post earlier, but... I don't think my person can take a Houndoom/high-level Houndour at the moment, especially as they travel in packs...

That reminds me: I made a character who caught a PokeyMan. Namely, a Voltorb. I should play her more often. Does anyone have a suggestion where I should place her?

[Gullara]

I've got a Pokemon Trainer character. They could battle if you want. *nodnod*

[GrandDM]

*scrolls up*

Well, LDK, TE, and KM2 already explained all that pretty well, I think.

I'll just comment that I don't think it's exactly worth getting mad at me over.

I'm not mad. And to respond to Deathkeeper and the others - Zebes' Bezerk Button is a preexisting character trait. But I'm not going to talk about this any further, because I don't want to get into another massive argument.

As for ACRO, I don't have a clue what that is. But I can think of a few reasons he might go into a tavern. Thanks for that suggestion.

[Zefir]

ACRO's are the organistations AMEN, GLOG etc. Since Most Names are acronyms people summ them up as ACRO's

[Darkcomet]

Uh...GDM.

GrandDM, this is entirely for your benefit here: attaching a listening device to Irregular property (the aforementioned giant robot) probably qualifies as espionage.

Which has rather nasty consequences with most any government or military organization, questionable morals or no.

So what I'm saying is, uh. You might want to reconsider that post, there, as I don't think either of us really wants to have that confrontation. Just thought I'd tell you because that's pretty much spying, right there. Even if it is horribly wasted spying being used to do nothing but argue.

Also, I don't mean to pile on, but...sticking the device on the robot is kinda godmoddy, unless I missed something, because he was pretty much told don't touch the robot?

This is kind of important for you to address, argument or not. Please?

[GrandDM]

This is kind of important for you to address, argument or not. Please?

"He was told not to touch the robot" - yeah, because he's going to do exactly he's told. Also, not exactly godmodding - he put a tiny little thing onto it, so small that you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking for it, and he's not exactly clumsy enough to make it obvious.

"It's espionage/spying" - it's not the only spying he's done. That gold flash was him taking a full scan of the robot. Also, he doesn't care.

"The military will stomp him" - he's in a secret lab-bunker, insulated, isolated and protected from practically every form of scan possible, that only he knows the password to, contains manufacturing equipment capable of making stuff the army would kill to have (or take away), and is protected by various androids, biotech gribblies, automatic turrets, defense systems and an AI almost as smart as Harald. Also, I'd be quite happy to have an all-out siege going on.

"That's too OP" - 1) shielding for most scans exists already. Lead for XRays, stealth plating for radar etc. 2) he's a genius with access to spacecraft, mining drones and so on. He can get as much raw materials as he needs to build such a setup, and has the brainpower to design it. 3) Governments have bunkers like this (admittedly not with all the advanced tech), and use them during terrorist attacks, wars etc.

However, the counter-argument:

"You'll just make a ton of hate posts and keep hammering away until Harald is either dead, captured or I remove him"

So fine, I'll edit it out. And don't bother disagreeing with the above, I've learnt that from experience.

But I'm not happy about it.

[Ashen Lilies]

"He was told not to touch the robot" - yeah, because he's going to do exactly he's told. Also, not exactly godmodding - he put a tiny little thing onto it, so small that you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking for it, and he's not exactly clumsy enough to make it obvious.

Not going to touch the rest of your post, since I'm not involved with your character, except to point out that yes, it in fact is exactly godmodding. Unless you made a post with Harald trying to place the object on the robot, with an option for someone to notice (even if in that post you say "the object is so small that you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking for it, and he's trying to be real sneaky about it, so there's a fair chance he'll succeed unless the others around him are being very observant"), it's godmodding. You can't just say, "hey, there's an object on the robot, I totally put it there while you weren't looking."

Also, the gold flash thing. You should have said that your gold flash was a scan, and allowed the person in control of the robot to say whether the scan succeeded or not (maybe the robot has anti-scan defenses?) instead of having a mysterious gold flash and then show up later and say "hey that was totally a scan, and I found out about EVERYTHING."

[The Bushranger]

Also, not exactly godmodding - he put a tiny little thing onto it, so small that you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking for it, and he's not exactly clumsy enough to make it obvious.

No, it's godmodding, regardless. 'Defenders rule' is the rule of thumb: you must attempt to place the device, shoot somebody, or do anything at all to anybody else's Nice Everything, and they get to decide whether it works or not. Doing otherwise is, in all cases, godmodding, unless it's pre-emptively determined.

Also, the full scan also needed to be attempted, as the robot could very easily be shielded against the scan.

As an aside, if you had 'attempted' to do either of these things, then it's very likely I would have allowed them - most players will if you follow the no-godmodding rule. If you don't follow it, that's what leads to the problems you've experienced.

[Darkcomet]

I have absolutely no idea how to respond to that, besides echoing the points about godmodding.

Other than that, I don't believe I can reply, considering I've been specifically told not to bother and that there's nothing I can do to defend myself.

[Hattish Thing]

It's like me posting in Magcave:

"Enshadu presses a button on a controller and Magtok explodes.

Cause he planted a bomb on his person back at The Space Station."

It's not very cool or fun to roleplay out as.

[Deathkeeper]

I'm not mad. And to respond to Deathkeeper and the others - Zebes' Bezerk Button is a preexisting character trait.

Yes, yes it is. And him suddenly ignoring his pre-existing character trait is an example of me deviating from his pre-existing character in an effort to change said character slightly and not be annoying to people.

Second "technology against scans exists" isn't really an argument if you don't give players the chance to say they have them.

Also, while I personally find the Dexter's Lab comparison amusing, bottom line is that Harald has something arguably on the scale or bigger than the Magcave under one of the largest cities in the Nexus despite only being here for a month and somehow no one has noticed. Which no one in their right mind would ever siege since I would honestly not be surprised if someone did and you posted "oh by the way he has seven gundams hidden down there."

And lastly, I find the whole scenario a bit rude since I explicitly asked you OoC if you could end Harald's involvement so the scene could wrap up and I can finally bring Nick out after a month of waiting, and you proceeded to write back "yeah ok" and then had him keep talking.

[GrandDM]

Yes, yes it is. And him suddenly ignoring his pre-existing character trait is an example of me deviating from his pre-existing character in an effort to change said character slightly and not be annoying to people.

Second "technology against scans exists" isn't really an argument if you don't give players the chance to say they have them.

Also, while I personally find the Dexter's Lab comparison amusing, bottom line is that Harald has something arguably on the scale or bigger than the Magcave under one of the largest cities in the Nexus despite only being here for a month and somehow no one has noticed. Which no one in their right mind would ever siege since I would honestly not be surprised if someone did and you posted "oh by the way he has seven gundams hidden down there."

And lastly, I find the whole scenario a bit rude since I explicitly asked you OoC if you could end Harald's involvement so the scene could wrap up and I can finally bring Nick out after a month of waiting, and you proceeded to write back "yeah ok" and then had him keep talking.

Who said it was under Inside? Anyway, I deleted the post, so just forget it. I'm tired of getting hate posts.

[Deathkeeper]

Who said it was under Inside? Anyway, I deleted the post, so just forget it. I'm tired of getting hate posts.

Um, you did, during Isaac the ant's scene?
And really, you need to stop interpreting these as hate. They're not, they're questioning your understanding of the rules. Hating would be "Ermagerd you made a 40K character? You should feel ashamed!"

[Zefir]

Hey LDK. Is your guy in Mallside going to use the testdrinker somewhere soon?

[Deathkeeper]

Hey LDK. Is your guy in Mallside going to use the testdrinker somewhere soon?

Um, considering the test drinker creeps him out and the guy who recommended him conned him out of a LOT of money, I don't know why he would.