Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition Chat Thread II: New Thread smell included!

[Razanir]

They're taken alongside the standard classes and have their own progression; thus, you could have Wizard 10/Archmage 5, Cleric 4/Champion 1, so on and so forth.

My point is that it's tracked by an analogue to levels (in this case, tiers)

Tracked analogously to levels, but they don't actually take up levels. So I'd actually propose notating them like gestalt, since that option doesn't exist in PF (I don't think). This does bring up a good point, though. How DO you notate Mythic tiers?

[Ilorin Lorati]

Tracked analogously to levels, but they don't actually take up levels. So I'd actually propose notating them like gestalt, since that option doesn't exist in PF (I don't think). This does bring up a good point, though. How DO you notate Mythic tiers?

Gestalt is just as usable in PF as it was in 3.x, but you're right - it's probably better to notate them with // like gestalt.

[Tanuki Tales]

Well, Pathfinder denotes them next to CR, as you can see in the Bestiary 4. It goes "CR X/MR Y", but seeing as this doesn't apply to character sheets, I honestly don't know if anything but // is appropriate. It begs the question about Mythic Gestalt games though.

Edit:

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|3
The road less traveled|Drugs, alcohol and addiction|0
MacGuffin|Creation of Plot-centric item and plot that revolves around it|1
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|3
Ancient Spirits of Evil, Transform this Decayed Form...|Build-a-Villain|1
Missing a Common Sense|Entries lack one of the five senses|3
Monster's University|Learned monsters and monster learning|2
Weapuns of Mass Punstruction|Construction, building, renovation or destruction|0
Saying Goodbye|Entries based upon what immediately precedes death|4
P.S. I Hate You|Hatred and Anger|2
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream|Dreams, Nightmares, etc.|2
Seasons Past|Holidays|3
Wacky Adventures|Adventure Time weirdness|2
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|2
Monster Combo|Themed monsters|1
Hey, I know that _____!|Pop culture themed entries|3
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

[Razanir]

MacGuffin
Mythic Journey
Missing a Common Sense
Monsters University
All that we see...
Seasons Past
Third Law
Hey, I Know That ____!

[3WhiteFox3]

Seasons Past
Third Law
The Mythic Journey
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
Hey, I know that _____!
Saying Goodbye
MacGuffin
Ancient Spirits of Evil, Transform this Decayed Form...

[Milo v3]

Just in-case "we built this city" is the next months competition, could someone explain to me specifically which sorta stuff would count as rock music for this. Does punk rock count?

[Tanuki Tales]

Just in-case "we built this city" is the next months competition, could someone explain to me specifically which sorta stuff would count as rock music for this. Does punk rock count?

I was assuming that the spirit was more classic rock, but I'm going to say any rock.

[Milo v3]

I was assuming that the spirit was more classic rock, but I'm going to say any rock.

Akay thanks for the clarification

[SassyQuatch]

1. We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
2. Monster's University
3. P.S. I Hate You
4. Third Law
5. Missing a Common Sense
6. Saying Goodbye
7. The road less traveled
8. All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream

[caledscratcher]

I was assuming that the spirit was more classic rock, but I'm going to say any rock.

If punk rock is permitted, would ska punk (i.e. punk rock + brass similarly be allowed? Because that may or may not be a bit of what I was banking on.

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|5
The road less traveled|Drugs, alcohol and addiction|1
MacGuffin|Creation of Plot-centric item and plot that revolves around it|3
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|5
Ancient Spirits of Evil, Transform this Decayed Form...|Build-a-Villain|2
Missing a Common Sense|Entries lack one of the five senses|5
Monster's University|Learned monsters and monster learning|4
Weapuns of Mass Punstruction|Construction, building, renovation or destruction|0
Saying Goodbye|Entries based upon what immediately precedes death|6
P.S. I Hate You|Hatred and Anger|3
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream|Dreams, Nightmares, etc.|4
Seasons Past|Holidays|5
Wacky Adventures|Adventure Time weirdness|2
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|5
Monster Combo|Themed monsters|1
Hey, I know that _____!|Pop culture themed entries|5
[/table]

Tallied to here.

If punk rock is permitted, would ska punk (i.e. punk rock + brass similarly be allowed? Because that may or may not be a bit of what I was banking on.

If Ska Punk is a kind of Punk Rock, then yes, it'd be allowed.

[DawnbringerSO]

Third Law
Monster Combo
PS. I hate you.
The Road Less Travelled
Ancient Spirits of Evil
Weapuns of Mass Punstruction
Wacky Adventures
All that we see

[TheWombatOfDoom]

We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
MacGuffin
Ancient Spirits of Evil, Transform this Decayed Form...
Missing a Common Sense
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream
Seasons Past
Third Law
Monster Combo

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|6
The road less traveled|Drugs, alcohol and addiction|2
MacGuffin|Creation of Plot-centric item and plot that revolves around it|4
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|5
Ancient Spirits of Evil, Transform this Decayed Form...|Build-a-Villain|4
Missing a Common Sense|Entries lack one of the five senses|6
Monster's University|Learned monsters and monster learning|4
Weapuns of Mass Punstruction|Construction, building, renovation or destruction|1
Saying Goodbye|Entries based upon what immediately precedes death|6
P.S. I Hate You|Hatred and Anger|4
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream|Dreams, Nightmares, etc.|6
Seasons Past|Holidays|6
Wacky Adventures|Adventure Time weirdness|3
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|7
Monster Combo|Themed monsters|3
Hey, I know that _____!|Pop culture themed entries|5
[/table]

Tallied to here.


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{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
Missing a Common Sense|Entries lack one of the five senses|0
Saying Goodbye|Entries based upon what immediately precedes death|0
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream|Dreams, Nightmares, etc.|0
Seasons Past|Holidays|0
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|0
Hey, I know that _____!|Pop culture themed entries|0
[/table]

Alright, you know the deal. 4 votes and it remains open till 11:59 pm EST on the 13th.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
Missing a Common Sense
Saying Goodbye
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream

[Ilorin Lorati]

Oof, this is actually a hard one.

1. We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
2. Saying Goodbye
3. All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream
4. Third Law

[Razanir]

Mythic Journey
Missing a Common Sense
All that we see...
Hey, I know that _____!

[caledscratcher]

We built this city
Saying goodbye
Missing a common sense
Seasons Past

[SassyQuatch]

We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
Missing a Common Sense
Third Law
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream

[malonkey1]

1. We Built This City
2. MacGuffin
3. The Mythic Journey
4. Missing a Common Sense

[gr8artist]

We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
The Mythic Journey
Missing a Common Sense
Saying Goodbye

And regarding this month's entry, I'm still debating how to do the weakness. The Sontarans have a weak spot in the back of their neck, and I opinions on how best to reflect that.
Flanking is easiest, but would apply the weakness to both flanking enemies. I would need to include a clause about the Sontaran picking which enemy gets the benefits, and how often he could decide, etc... Ends up getting clumsy and complicated.
Facing would be easier, using a 60 ft. cone to determine his area of vulnerability like a Beholder determines its anti-magic zone. But that doesn't allow him to keep an opponent in front of him; quick enemies will just walk around him and get the weakspot even when he's not distracted and doing nothing other than trying to face them. Stupid turn-based system.
Called shots would work, but there would have to be a clause stating that only opponents behind him could attempt the shot, and that puts us back at square one.
Critical hits don't really work for making the shot, but might apply for the effects of it.
Opinions/Suggestions?

[Milo v3]

The Mythic Journey
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream
Seasons Past
Third Law

[3WhiteFox3]

1. The Mythic Journey
2. Saying Goodbye
3. Third Law
4. We Built This City

[malonkey1]

And regarding this month's entry, I'm still debating how to do the weakness. The Sontarans have a weak spot in the back of their neck, and I opinions on how best to reflect that.
Flanking is easiest, but would apply the weakness to both flanking enemies. I would need to include a clause about the Sontaran picking which enemy gets the benefits, and how often he could decide, etc... Ends up getting clumsy and complicated.
Facing would be easier, using a 60 ft. cone to determine his area of vulnerability like a Beholder determines its anti-magic zone. But that doesn't allow him to keep an opponent in front of him; quick enemies will just walk around him and get the weakspot even when he's not distracted and doing nothing other than trying to face them. Stupid turn-based system.
Called shots would work, but there would have to be a clause stating that only opponents behind him could attempt the shot, and that puts us back at square one.
Critical hits don't really work for making the shot, but might apply for the effects of it.
Opinions/Suggestions?

IMO, I'd say increase critical threat range for attacks made against it by some amount, and offer a bonus to confirm crits against it. Perhaps tie it to flanking.

[Tanuki Tales]

Remember, also, that Flanking doesn't mean you're standing behind someone. It just means you can draw a line through an enemy's square that connects with another ally on the opposite side.

[gr8artist]

That's the problem. Flanking is the easiest mechanic, but has the poorest application for this weakness. But theoretically, the Sontaran would be facing one of the flanking characters, with his back turned on the other. Although, facing north with one to the east and one to the west would be possible, though illogical.
I guess facing is the best plan, but how do I reflect his ability to turn and face new opponents? Perhaps I could say that he chooses a new facing whenever he makes an attack, or once per round as an immediate action, or once per round for free at the end of his turn...

[Ilorin Lorati]

Perhaps give the guy a bonus to one enemy at a time, and whoever's flanking with that target gets the chance to hit the weak point? Still not perfect (Some may just never use the ability, some abilities give you the option to flank with someone that isn't across from you, etc), but better than a simple flank weakness.

[Tanuki Tales]

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|7
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|5
Missing a Common Sense|Entries lack one of the five senses|6
Saying Goodbye|Entries based upon what immediately precedes death|5
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream|Dreams, Nightmares, etc.|5
Seasons Past|Holidays|2
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|4
Hey, I know that _____!|Pop culture themed entries|1
[/table]


Votes Tallied to here.


@Malonkey: Macguffin didn't make it to this round, sorry, so you still have one vote to cast.

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Let me take a swing at this:

Probic Vent (Ex)
A Sontaran does not need to eat, absorbing all necessary energy from the world around him through a hole located on the back of his neck. Approximately three inches in diameter, the probic vent is a glaring flaw in a Sontaran's otherwise sturdy frame. A creature who is located behind a Sontaran may make a called shot (taking a -6 penalty to the attack roll) in an attempt to hit the probic vent. If successful, the Sontaran takes damage as normal and is stunned for one round. A called shot or cou de grace to the probic vent that results in a confirmed critical hit requires a Sontaran to make a DC 15 Fortitude save or die instantly. This is in addition to the normal Fortitude save required by a cou de grace and the DC increases by 1 for every five damage dealt by the critical hit. A Sontaran that would otherwise be immune to critical hits (such as from a class feature or from a template) is still vulnerable via their probic vent.

[gr8artist]

That looks awesome, but it still doesn't give a mechanic for determining "behind"

[Milo v3]

A rule from this month's competition that influenced my choices.

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1. You will be creating an original Archetype or Base Class or Monster or Prestige Class or Race or Template that is based around an entry from one of the 19 previous themes that this contest has hosted thus far. This could be an archetype for a base class, a prestige class for an archetype or base class, a base class that is a compliment or nemesis to another base class or whatever inspires you. You must give credit to whatever entry (and its creator) that you use to design your own entry.

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I'm not sure what entry the Handyman, Viashino, and Kindred are based on, though I deduced that the Handyman is likely built as an adversary to the False Prophet from "Gamer's Gambit" (I think that was the competition). I wish I'd noticed these things sooner, so they could be addressed. My apologies

Kindred, a race specifically mentioned in the details of the Sainesti race from "Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!"