Crafting Magical Armor w/out Spell

[Thrawn183]

I have a cleric (level 13), and I took the feat Craft Magic Arms and Armor. I haven't used it once the entire campaign that I've played in so far and would like to do so. In particular, I would like to use Bless Weapon from BoED. A requirement is the ability to cast Bless Weapon (a paladin spell). Could I use a scroll to do this? Could I have my parties paladin cast the spell for me? I looked on the SRD but wasn't able to find rules pertaining to cooperatively crafting magical items. Any help would be appreciated.

[pestilenceawaits]

you should be able to use a divine scroll with it on it.

[Thrawn183]

you should be able to use a divine scroll with it on it.

But it's a paladin spell, would that require a umd check? Because I can't do umd worth, well... anything. Hence the question about the assist from a party member.

[Amiria]

Yes, two people can work together to create an item. Your cleric, as the creator, uses the Item Creation feat and your pal casts the spell.

I don't know if this is written in the SRD, but it is in the DMG. I don't have my DMG here so I can't tell you the page.

[pestilenceawaits]

just independently research the spell yourself
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverv...endentResearch

[silentknight]

I am pretty sure that a cleric can use a scroll with any divine spell (even a paladin spell) on it by making either:
A) an Intelligence check or
B) caster level check

I don't have my DMG with me to check, but I remember the DC being pretty low, like DC 15 + spell level.

[Kantolin]

The DMG and SRD disagree:

To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.

• The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)
• The user must have the spell on his or her class list.
• The user must have the requisite ability score.

If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell’s caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll’s caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully. If she fails, she must make a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid a mishap (see Scroll Mishaps, below). A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers.

Emphasis mine. You can use a scroll you don't have the caster level for, but cannot use it if any of the other things are incorrect.

So yeah, work together with the Paladin. Teamwork is good!

Link was found here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems...tivatetheSpell

Edit: Well... unless you use Use Magic Device. ^_^ But as you're not a Rogue or Bard, that's some nasty cross-classness going on there.

[jjpickar]

Just use a ritual of bonding from the DMGII.

[Jack_Simth]

Prerequisites: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given immediately following the item’s caster level.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat). When two spells at the end of a list are separated by “or,” one of those spells is required in addition to every other spell mentioned prior to the last two.

(Emphasis added)

If you have a Paladin friend to cast it for you during each day of crafting, you can make it that way, using your caster level.

[Ikkitosen]

On a related note, can you split the XP costs for joint crafting, assuming both members actually contribute something meaningful?

[Mewtarthio]

just independently research the spell yourself
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverv...endentResearch

Independent Research can't just net you any divine spell you want. It's mainly used to get homebrewed spells or spells from other supplements that aren't on the "automatically approved" list. Now, if you can convince your DM to let your cleric have Bless Weapon, then Independent Research is a great way to get it.

On a related note, can you split the XP costs for joint crafting, assuming both members actually contribute something meaningful?

It's a common houserule (mainly to cut the item crafters some slack so they're not burning all their XP on everyone else).

[Jack_Simth]

On a related note, can you split the XP costs for joint crafting, assuming both members actually contribute something meaningful?

No, but if both members fill one or more of the pre-recs, either can pay the XP (but also sets the caster level); so when a Wizard (with Craft Wand) and a Cleric (with Cure Light Wounds) get together to make a Wand of Cure Light Wounds, either the cleric can pay the XP, or the Wizard can pay the XP. If they make two wands, the cleric can pay the XP for one and the Wizard for the other.

[pestilenceawaits]

Independent Research can't just net you any divine spell you want. It's mainly used to get homebrewed spells or spells from other supplements that aren't on the "automatically approved" list. Now, if you can convince your DM to let your cleric have Bless Weapon, then Independent Research is a great way to get it.

I know but it seems to me that this would be the most efficient way to do it and I don't see why a cleric couldn't get the bless weapon spell.