Bleach IX: This isn't even my final thread!

[Hadrian_Emrys]

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Ichigo did his normal Getsuga Tensho wih the smaller sword, the one the represents his quincy powers.

Crack theory time. Getsuga wasn't actually one of Ichigo's Zanpakuto abilities until after he reconciled his powers and integrated his Quincy abilities into his Zanpakuto.

Rather it was the old man forcing Ichigo's Shinigami powers to imitate his fathers shinigami technique.

I wouldn't be surprised if the base shikai getsuga had the reaitsu that composes it structured similarly to the reishi in a Quincy's arrow(We already know that the Bankai is more Similar to a Cero)

The Second Getsuga Technique uses both swords, so probably either incorporates Quincy and Hollow/Shinigami energy's, or alternativly Ichigo can use either power with either sword, even though each one nominally represents one aspect of his power.

I'm leaning towards the second, due to the second Getsuga resembling a cross(important to the Quincy) and both Getsuga looking sorta like Quincy techniques(at least, more so than originally)

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I'm willing to bet that type of background complexity is too advanced for Kubo. If anything, I'd propose that his explanation (if he even ever bothers to give one) is something along the lines of "If one is powerful, two makes it twice as powerful."

[Kaez]

Honestly, I'd just to like to see one more Bleach Movie with Ichigo's new HAX powers.... and play it differently where the opponents think they have a shot against him because they have outdated knowledge and his new powers far exceed them, so he has to hunt them down instead of them going to him because they have another motive they revolves around him being distracted. I mean we probably had that in the other films, but it's more of an excuse to get one last showing for Ichigo in the big screen (unless somehow it turns into a DBZ thing where they still make movies even though the manga and anime are over)

[ryuplaneswalker]

My only response to this chapter


*Continues to sing Number 1*

[Mato]

Any idea what the new word translates to?

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Moonfang Cross-piercer appears to be a good guess.
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Ichigo did his normal Getsuga Tensho wih the smaller sword, the one the represents his quincy powers. Crack theory time.

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Each one is capable of using the other's power. Think back to Urahar's zanpakuto manifestation device pulling BZ out to teach Bankai, the Asauchi that drew Ichigo's hollow/shinigami avatar out to forge both blades, or BZ him self saying he rescued Ichigo using IH's powers.

Originally, there wasn't free reign on cross-use. IH kind of wanted Ichigo's body and BZ wanted to remain the dominate spirit. But BZ as willingly stepped aside now so either IH can freely using the qunicy pool, or they merged.

Which would be interesting to see. In the flashback during the last Aizen fight, BZ in Tensa Zangetsu and a partially masked IH merged, but the avatar was 1/2 & 1/2 rather than a "true" and seamless fusion between the two. It'd be interesting to know what they'd look like now.

[Starwulf]

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Moonfang Cross-piercer appears to be a good guess.
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Oh. That sucks. LOL. I mean, it's cool, but his regular Getsuga means Piercer of Heaven iirc, which sounds a lot more powerful then Moonfang Cross-piercer. I was hoping for like "Heaven/Hell Destroyer" or "Galaxy splitter" or something. LOLOL

[Slayn82]

Oh. That sucks. LOL. I mean, it's cool, but his regular Getsuga means Piercer of Heaven iirc, which sounds a lot more powerful then Moonfang Cross-piercer. I was hoping for like "Heaven/Hell Destroyer" or "Galaxy splitter" or something. LOLOL

What? You wanted Ichigo to pull out a giant mecha and use it to rip out the hearts of his enemies? Well, it would be a good bankai, i concede that.

[Starwulf]

What? You wanted Ichigo to pull out a giant mecha and use it to rip out the hearts of his enemies? Well, it would be a good bankai, i concede that.

ROFL! Oh man, that seriously had me laughing so hard I ended up with hiccups! So awesome :)

[Rater202]

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Each one is capable of using the other's power. Think back to Urahar's zanpakuto manifestation device pulling BZ out to teach Bankai, the Asauchi that drew Ichigo's hollow/shinigami avatar out to forge both blades, or BZ him self saying he rescued Ichigo using IH's powers.

Originally, there wasn't free reign on cross-use. IH kind of wanted Ichigo's body and BZ wanted to remain the dominate spirit. But BZ as willingly stepped aside now so either IH can freely using the qunicy pool, or they merged.

Which would be interesting to see. In the flashback during the last Aizen fight, BZ in Tensa Zangetsu and a partially masked IH merged, but the avatar was 1/2 & 1/2 rather than a "true" and seamless fusion between the two. It'd be interesting to know what they'd look like now.

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What you just explained is basically the second possibility I suggested. Either sword (and by extension, spirit) can use either power, even though each of them represents a specific aspect of Ichigo's power

As for what the Sprits lok like now, we already know

That's Ichigo Manifesting Both Spirits shortly after his Zanpakuto was reforged.

Which means that Ichigo is the thrd known weilder of a dual Zanpakuto, like Captain Drunk and Captain Tuberculosis. Two Swords, ech with it's own spirit, even though it's one Zanpakuto

If Ichigo had stayed with one sword, then it would probably have looked like the Fused Tensa Zangetsu

[Infernally Clay]

I really like Ichigo's new design... The whole two sword aesthetic and the way his Fullbring makes his uniform look almost Captain-like is really cool. I just wonder if anyone will be able to give him a decent fight now besides Yhwach or Uryu. He's completely out of the league of those four and kinda just messing around.

I'm still pretty adamant that Getusga Tensho is a Shiba Clan technique, though, and not Ichigo's actual Zanpakuto ability even though I'm still waiting for him to lock both swords together so they take the appearance of a large bow, then fire off a giant Getsuga Arrow.

[HandofShadows]

I'm still pretty adamant that Getusga Tensho is a Shiba Clan technique, though, and not Ichigo's actual Zanpakuto ability even though I'm still waiting for him to lock both swords together so they take the appearance of a large bow, then fire off a giant Getsuga Arrow.

TOTALLY agree with you one this. I can't see Getusga as anything else other than something from the Shiba clan. Ichigo's dad uses it as well. Ichigo probably has his own take on it and has other things mixed in, but at it's core it's from the Shiba Clan. (I'm not sure it's it's a technique though, it looks like it may be inherited. More a natural ability.)

[Rater202]

It's unlikely that it's specifically a Shiba technique, because no Shinigami or has comented on a Shinigami using a Shiba clan technique.

Add in that it seems to require a Zanpakuto, and Ichigo, Isshin, and Kaien are the only Shiba who have been Shinigami, which is a preequisite for having a Zanpakuto. Kaien is also not known to use it.

If it's a Shiba abillity, then 's more or less restricted to Isshin's direct line or something, and even that's suspect, becuase nobody's ever comented on him having the Technique of that Shinigami captain who vanished in the human world about 20 years ago, give or take.

Ichigo's Zanpakuto having a Similar name to Isshin's (Zangetsu to Engetsu) may imply Related Abilities, though Ichigo's Part Hollow and Part Quincy abilities heavily alter the end result.

Or it could just have been that the old man wasn't aware of what Ichigo's actual Zanpakuto Abillities were, so when Channeling them he forced them to imitate Isshin's Ability (which he knew about either from some kind of genetic memory or something)

[Thrawn183]

I'm still waiting for Ichigo to use his large sword as a bow to fire his smaller sword.

[Olinser]

It's unlikely that it's specifically a Shiba technique, because no Shinigami or has comented on a Shinigami using a Shiba clan technique.

Add in that it seems to require a Zanpakuto, and Ichigo, Isshin, and Kaien are the only Shiba who have been Shinigami, which is a preequisite for having a Zanpakuto. Kaien is also not known to use it.

If it's a Shiba abillity, then 's more or less restricted to Isshin's direct line or something, and even that's suspect, becuase nobody's ever comented on him having the Technique of that Shinigami captain who vanished in the human world about 20 years ago, give or take.

Ichigo's Zanpakuto having a Similar name to Isshin's (Zangetsu to Engetsu) may imply Related Abilities, though Ichigo's Part Hollow and Part Quincy abilities heavily alter the end result.

Or it could just have been that the old man wasn't aware of what Ichigo's actual Zanpakuto Abillities were, so when Channeling them he forced them to imitate Isshin's Ability (which he knew about either from some kind of genetic memory or something)

Kuukaku has what appears to be a Zanpakuto. Its sheathed and hanging behind her cut off arm. She also has used Kido - implying that she was at one point a Shinigami.

[Mato]

Kuukaku has what appears to be a Zanpakuto. Its sheathed and hanging behind her cut off arm. She also has used Kido - implying that she was at one point a Shinigami.

There is nothing to suggest Ganju's black & white cleaver-like sword isn't a zanpakuto either.

Kaien Shiba's shikai was Nejibana. A kido type water based zanpakuto that hits with the force of a wave. And while Aaroniero never used an actual technique from it, empowered strikes is a shared theme found in both Isshin and Ichigo.

Another shared trait is being a cut above the rest, they were known for being one of the four great clans for a reason. Running down the list, Kaien possessed lieutenant level spirit energy when he entered the academy. Miyako was 3rd seat before she was targeted for hollowfication and died. Ganju managed to best the 5th seat Yumichika (there is no 4th seat and 3rd seat can access his bankai) and is currently training with the likes of Ginjo and broken-history Tsukishima. Kukaku has shown proficiency with hado spells up to the 63rd level and squad zero counted on her ability to send them back to their realm rather than employing any possible personal means. And Isshin can fight on a scale above all most every single captain even after they trained specifically to defeat Aizen while Isshin has been trapped as a human for the last two decades. Then of course, Ichigo him self. Pretty much 3rd seat is as weak as the clan gets and Miyako was married in rather than being born in.

[Infernally Clay]

In other words, the Shiba Clan is hardcore. It's likely that Kukaku and Ganju were kicked out of the Gotei 13 after Isshin disappeared and Kaien died. The Noble Houses are s'posed to set an example, after all, and I imagine those two events in such quick succession really ruined their reputation. That's the only real explanation why the Shiba Clan is still so important and would explain why Kukaku can use such high level Kido without incantation and why Ganju is as strong as a Vice Captain when neither is using a Zanpakuto.

Whether or not this has any bearing on Getsuga Tensho being a Shiba Clan technique is pretty relevant, since we know that each Noble House always had something special whether it was knowledge, artifacts or duties. I think the reason why most folks in the Gotei 13 may not care if Ichigo can use the Getsuga Tensho is probably because they've known all along that Ichigo is Isshin's son - Isshin never really hid from anyone after all, heck Matsumoto and Hitsugaya even stayed at Ichigo's home, so I'd assume they just don't know he still has his Shinigami powers.

[danzibr]

(time to be super vague)

Wasn't there a show or movie where somebody had two swords and put them together and they formed a cross and something special happened?

[Rater202]

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Wasn't there a show or movie where somebody had two swords and put them together and they formed a cross and something special happened?

Possibly, it's a relatively common trope for a dual wielder with sword beams to use them both to form a cross of some sort

[Durkoala]

Time to stir the thread up again because I read my Bleach over the weekend.

Giselle is becoming my favourite Femritter with her bizarrely cheerful attitude and the casual creepiness. The FemRitters do have a fun dynamic to watch and of course the little girl is the sanest one. As Thunderbolt's fighting Ichigo one-on-one, I expect them all to be zombified one by one.

Add my vote to the approval of Ichigo's new clothes. I was a bit unsure how he'd use two swords, especially with one that big, but he seems to be going alright. Hooray for Shonen Hero powers!
While there's an argument about the Shiba clan going on, I'll chip in with my theory that The Getsuga is a type of energy - like The Force - that the Shiba can access (Shiba Jedi). After all, if the Shihonen (spelling?) are werecats, the other clans need something to keep up with that. (Poor Kuchkis only have bad drawing skills)

Also, I found this animation.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrJCaM5cUM
It's not the most accurate thing (for Bleach; I can't comment on the Naruto guy) and I suspect the power levels are somewhat skewed, but it's nicely done animation and fun to watch. The art style is completely different from both Anime, and for some reason Ichigo is green.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

[Starwulf]

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Looks like Ywach is finally going to recall all the powers he bestowed on the other quincies. Such a shame, I was looking forward to Ichigo taking on all 8 without breaking a sweat, I mean he didn't even look remotely worried there, which is fairly impressive. Looking forward to next week to see exactly how Ywach goes about this, and if it will kill all the other quincies, or just leave them near death.

[ryuplaneswalker]

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Looks like Ywach is finally going to recall all the powers he bestowed on the other quincies. Such a shame, I was looking forward to Ichigo taking on all 8 without breaking a sweat, I mean he didn't even look remotely worried there, which is fairly impressive. Looking forward to next week to see exactly how Ywach goes about this, and if it will kill all the other quincies, or just leave them near death.

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and number 1 is still playing in my mind...but about to get the record scratch as all the people Ichigo is about to beat the snot out of.

Which would be awesome if they still had an anime going, the music kicks, he gets ready to trounce them all..and they lose all their powers and the music stops as a nice call back to Aizen vs Ichigo 1

[danzibr]

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Hmm yeah... I wonder if Ichigo will get to own all 8 at once before they get absorbed back into Yhwach.

[LaZodiac]

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Hmm yeah... I wonder if Ichigo will get to own all 8 at once before they get absorbed back into Yhwach.

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Well, we know that everyone who received power from Bach also died when he took it back, so...yeah, no, they're all dead. Invalidating all the fighting we've seen involving these eight, yay!

[Morph Bark]

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Hmm yeah... I wonder if Ichigo will get to own all 8 at once before they get absorbed back into Yhwach.

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The way I'd do it, would be to have the Quincies still take Ichigo on, but one by one, starting nearest to the end of the alphabet, they get recalled by Yhwach and die--either after they've been defeated or right as they are in the midst of fighting, with the last one being in what looks like the moment of victory against Ichigo as s/he gets recalled.

[HandofShadows]

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I may be (and probably am) wrong here. But I am getting a starnge Full Metal Alchemist "Five Sacrifices" vibe here.

[Starwulf]

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The way I'd do it, would be to have the Quincies still take Ichigo on, but one by one, starting nearest to the end of the alphabet, they get recalled by Yhwach and die--either after they've been defeated or right as they are in the midst of fighting, with the last one being in what looks like the moment of victory against Ichigo as s/he gets recalled.

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That would both rock, and suck, at the same time. It would rock, because yeah, that's an epic fight scene, but it would suck, because it would mean that if Ichigo couldn't even handle 8 of them, how in the hell would he ever handle Ywach after he's max powered up after having absorbed the very people Ichigo was fighting. No, unfortunately, the only way this would make sense would for Ichigo to totally run rampant over all 8, or they all just get absorbed before anything gets to happen.

[HandofShadows]

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I wonder if Yhwach's plan is going to go south because he made a mistake about Ichigo and his powers. Instead of Yhwach getting the power from the dead Quincies, Ichigo starts to absorb it. His inner Hollow is very much still there.

[danzibr]

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I wonder if Yhwach's plan is going to go south because he made a mistake about Ichigo and his powers. Instead of Yhwach getting the power from the dead Quincies, Ichigo starts to absorb it. His inner Hollow is very much still there.

Now *that* would be interesting. Ichigo has pulled power-absorbing in the past.

[Mato]

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I wonder if Yhwach's plan is going to go south because he made a mistake about Ichigo and his powers. Instead of Yhwach getting the power from the dead Quincies, Ichigo starts to absorb it. His inner Hollow is very much still there.

Don't give away the ending!

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If Ichigo consumes Yhwach's blood, then when he dies his hollowfied Quincy powers are returned to Yhwach whom has no natural resiliency to hollow cells.

Of course, Tite would never sacrifice his mary sue like that. Ishida will probably take his place instead by absorbing Ichigo's bankai and killing him self.

[danzibr]

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If Ichigo consumes Yhwach's blood, then when he dies his hollowfied Quincy powers are returned to Yhwach whom has no natural resiliency to hollow cells.

Of course, Tite would never sacrifice his mary sue like that. Ishida will probably take his place instead by absorbing Ichigo's bankai and killing him self.

Hmm, I'm not so sure. SS seems like a good place for Ichigo to end up.

[Rater202]

Hmm, I'm not so sure. SS seems like a good place for Ichigo to end up.

Its' unlikly that Ichigo would be in any condition to stay in soul society if he were killed and absorbed by Ywhach.

Of course, there's always the Devour from the inside out option, which would of course cuase Ichigo's peronality to overight Yhwachs, shift his body to look like Ichigos, and then the Holow/Shinigami half of Zangetsu eats the Personality of Yhwach, and the countless souls Yhwach has absorbed cuase the Hollow to evolves from an ordinary Hollow/Zanpakuto hybrid into a Vasto lorde/Zanpakuto hybrid(Since both the Shinigami/hollow and Guicy spirits are part of Zangetsu now, the Old Man get's a similar power boost.)

Ichogo's Zanpakuto changes one last time, and he gets an other power up, just intime to fight the soul king, who turns out to be the real big bad.

I have no idea how serious I am making this prediction