Bleach IX: This isn't even my final thread!

[darksolitaire]

He's just standing there...menacingly.

[Thrawn183]

I think I can honestly say this was the least eventful chapter I've ever read.

Pretty much, not even any angst or anything.

[Olinser]

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I could of sworn that his was in constant Shikai, but he couldn't use it's powers becuase he didn't know the name.

His was compared to Zangetsu early one, and Zangetsu being a constant release type was brought up.

Wait, with the reforging, wouuld Zangetsu still be a constant release type-it was said that the reason he couldn't be sealed was becuase Ichigo couldn't cntroll his power yet, but 1. more or less everything else we've been told about Ichigo's power before now has been wrong, and 2, the old man was screwing with Ichigo's power for a long time, so whose to say he wasn't messing with his control too.

Back onto the topic of the Chapter, If this Guy is the V, "Visionary", then either the last guy was a complete figment of his imagination, or Sternritter sharing a letter is not uncommon

It seems to be that

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The other guy wasn't a Sternritter at all, but just another facet of the real one's powers.

The only other Sternritter that had a shared letter was the 'Y', which arguably because of their unique situation were considered 1 entity.

And by the way, the second he said 'What if I were stronger than steel", I totally called Zaraki's response of, "LOL so what".

Also, I'm not really sure I believe him when he says that

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Unohana is dead. I'm guessing they're going to pull something like, "Unohana is dead, I'm now Yachiru again".

[Rater202]

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Unohana is dead. I'm guessing they're going to pull something like, "Unohana is dead, I'm now Yachiru again".

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Can't be that.

Unohana is her real name.

Retsu Unohana is fake.

Her real name was Yachiru Unohana.

and two Yachiru's would be confusing.

[lord_khaine]

I guess im currently the only guy cheering for V now..?

Even if i am a little disapointed that someone with such a hax power has not yet wiped the floor with Kenpachi

[The Troubadour]

Even if i am a little disapointed that someone with such a hax power has not yet wiped the floor with Kenpachi

I think the issue is that while his ability is extremely versatile, its power is still limited by the clash of spiritual energies between himself and his target. So Yachiru is powerless against him, but Kenpachi, with his humongous amount of spiritual energy, can surpass him just fine.

Also: is it just me, or did Kenpachi switch his eyepatch to a different eye?

[Morph Bark]

I think a large part of Imagination Kid's problem is that his imagination isn't good enough. "What if my skin were stronger than steel?" Please, he should've gone for nanodiamonds. At least. Kenpachi has cut through steel and people with iron skin (Arrancar) before, even through the supposedly strongest Arrancar.

The worst part is that Imagination Kid should know this, since the Vandenreich spent so much time in Hueco Mundo all these years.

It's like they gave a Green Lantern Ring to Arthur Dent.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

It's like they gave a Green Lantern Ring to Arthur Dent.

Funniest thing I've read today. haha

[Anteros]

I think a large part of Imagination Kid's problem is that his imagination isn't good enough. "What if my skin were stronger than steel?" Please, he should've gone for nanodiamonds. At least. Kenpachi has cut through steel and people with iron skin (Arrancar) before, even through the supposedly strongest Arrancar.

The worst part is that Imagination Kid should know this, since the Vandenreich spent so much time in Hueco Mundo all these years.

It's like they gave a Green Lantern Ring to Arthur Dent.

It's stupid to give himself a limitation at all. Why pick steel when you could just go "What if I was completely invulnerable to damage?"

[LaZodiac]

So, watching a manga podcast, and it appears that in the officially translated version, Gemmy outright states that the Vanishing Point is a product of his own creation.

[ben-zayb]

It's stupid to give himself a limitation at all. Why pick steel when you could just go "What if I was completely invulnerable to damage?"

This. At the very least, he can even imagine that Zaraki's sword is made out of steel in order for his very limited impermeable-to-steel body to work. There's practically infinite uses for this power, really.

[MammonAzrael]

To be fair, the only way this power works narratively is if it is given to an arrogant moron. So I'm not sure what we can really expect. Vanishing Point had more potential, I think.

[lord_khaine]

Oh yeah.. just to start with he should have gone for turning Kenpachi's sword to soap or something like that.. that would have been a laugh

[ben-zayb]

Oh yeah.. just to start with he should have gone for turning Kenpachi's sword to soap or something like that.. that would have been a laugh

Soaps are one of the most dangerous improvised weapon. What are you talking about?

Also, another manga already individually showed how Soap and Washing can be put to effective use in combat.

[danzibr]

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I could of sworn that his was in constant Shikai, but he couldn't use it's powers becuase he didn't know the name.

His was compared to Zangetsu early one, and Zangetsu being a constant release type was brought up.

Wait, with the reforging, wouuld Zangetsu still be a constant release type-it was said that the reason he couldn't be sealed was becuase Ichigo couldn't cntroll his power yet, but 1. more or less everything else we've been told about Ichigo's power before now has been wrong, and 2, the old man was screwing with Ichigo's power for a long time, so whose to say he wasn't messing with his control too.

Back onto the topic of the Chapter, If this Guy is the V, "Visionary", then either the last guy was a complete figment of his imagination, or Sternritter sharing a letter is not uncommon

Interesting.

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Yeah, I guess he was in constant shikai. Just nerfed (despite being so powerful) and unable to use any abilities.

As for Ichigo... I hope that's the case. Good development.

I think I can honestly say this was the least eventful chapter I've ever read.

I wonder how long it would take in anime form? One minute?

Also, regarding the imagination stuff,

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Perhaps there is literally nothing Zaraki can't cut through. Or perhaps there is a slight limitation on V's powers.

[LaZodiac]

Soaps are one of the most dangerous improvised weapon. What are you talking about?

Also, another manga already individually showed how Soap and Washing can be put to effective use in combat.

Soooft, and, Weeeeeto~

*soap bubble pops and takes away your ability to move*

God I love Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

[HandofShadows]

I think a large part of Imagination Kid's problem is that his imagination isn't good enough.

Actually a good imagination could be a weakness as long as the person was sane. That's because they could imagine what their power would be able to do and be scared as all %##& by it. Oddly enough, only the totaly insane would be able to make full use of the power. This concept is examined over at the SCP Foundation in a couple of different ways. Transcript of Dr. Clef's seminar, "Reality Benders and You: How to Survive When Existence Doesn't." is a great intro what COULD be done by a Reality Bender/Type Green/Mary Sue/Bixbie/Shaper/etc. And this kid is falling waaaay short of them.

It's like they gave a Green Lantern Ring to Arthur Dent.

I actually think Dent would do a LOT better than this kid. He may not have a huge imagination, but I think he would be practical in his power use. Rather than imagine himself as steel, he woudl imagine not to be anyplace the sword could hit him. Not brave, but practical.

[The Troubadour]

I still think the power, like everything else in Bleach, isn't limited by the user's imagination, but rather by his spiritual energy.

[thubby]

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waste of a chapter if you ask me. i mean, really? 22 pages to say unohana is dead?

[Olinser]

It's stupid to give himself a limitation at all. Why pick steel when you could just go "What if I was completely invulnerable to damage?"

I'm guessing he can't. He's probably limited by 3 things - his actual spirit power, how fast he can think, and the fact that he has to imagine actual events and items.

The first is obvious. I imagine the further he takes something from it's original makeup, the more power it takes (creating things out of whole cloth probably takes even more power).

The second is also pretty obvious. If he has to imagine it, he's limited by how fast he can think. If he gets pressured he's not going to be able to think clearly. If he panics or just can't think of something fast enough, Zaraki will just kill him instantly.

For the third - his power is based on imagination. You have to actually imagine something solidly to manifest it.

Things like 'invulnerable' aren't actual physical concepts.There is no solid matter in existence that can't be cut in one way or another.

Something like "Your bones are cookies" or "My skin is stronger than steel" are tangible, defined things.

His mistake was not thinking something like, "What if I were TEN MILLION TIMES as resilient as steel." That's a solid, tangible concept.

The fact that he didn't gives me the impression that he's being limited by his spirit energy rather than his ability.



That being said, I guarantee you he's about to imagine 'my arm regrowing'.

[HandofShadows]

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More than that. It establishes the bad guy and his powers. More importantly it establishes Zaraki taking over the title and Isane not hating Zaraki for it. (It seems he hates himself about it enough. Did Zaraki say Isane could kill him or just an odd translation? No TRY to kill him?) And that Zaraki is going to be a lot more seriouse in his fights from now one. A lot less Blood Knight, more cold blooded "you are going to die". He is NOT going to lose and discrace his new name.

[thubby]

I'm guessing he can't. He's probably limited by 3 things - his actual spirit power, how fast he can think, and the fact that he has to imagine actual events and items.

The first is obvious. I imagine the further he takes something from it's original makeup, the more power it takes (creating things out of whole cloth probably takes even more power).

The second is also pretty obvious. If he has to imagine it, he's limited by how fast he can think. If he gets pressured he's not going to be able to think clearly. If he panics or just can't think of something fast enough, Zaraki will just kill him instantly.

For the third - his power is based on imagination. You have to actually imagine something solidly to manifest it.

Things like 'invulnerable' aren't actual physical concepts.There is no solid matter in existence that can't be cut in one way or another.

Something like "Your bones are cookies" or "My skin is stronger than steel" are tangible, defined things.

His mistake was not thinking something like, "What if I were TEN MILLION TIMES as resilient as steel." That's a solid, tangible concept.

The fact that he didn't gives me the impression that he's being limited by his spirit energy rather than his ability.



That being said, I guarantee you he's about to imagine 'my arm regrowing'.

it's actually a lot simpler than this. he hasn't imagined kenny out of existence. there are clearly limits to his power not tied to his imagination.

also, im beginning to think his power isn't dependent on his imagination, but rather his victim's. he uses a little raw power and some mind games to get people to believe something is happening, and then it is.

gets medic girl to think her patients are dead, and they are. break yachiru's hand, then make up some crazy nonsense and she'll think it just long enough to make it happen, which reenforces it.

kenpachi doesn't believe he will cut his target/ isn't thinking about it and so he doesn't. the moment he believes his target is made of iron, which he knows he can cut, bam.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

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Boy says his skin is as hard as steel.
*Ken cuts boy's arm off*
Boy says-
*Ken beats boy to death with "steel" arm*

[LaZodiac]

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Boy says his skin is as hard as steel.
*Ken cuts boy's arm off*
Boy says-
*Ken beats boy to death with "steel" arm*

Yeah, that's basically how this fights gonna go.

[LaZodiac]

While we were gone, Kenpachi...continues to not give a single **** about the imagination guys powers. It's kind of hilarious how little he cares. Oh, a wave of lava? SLICE IN HALF.

[danzibr]

While we were gone, Kenpachi...continues to not give a single **** about the imagination guys powers. It's kind of hilarious how little he cares. Oh, a wave of lava? SLICE IN HALF.

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Yeah, that was sweet. When imagination kid made the comment about, "No matter how much of a monster you are, blah blah blah," I realized that's how he was going to get owned. He can't imagine just how bamf Kenpachi is.

[Infernally Clay]

While we were gone, Kenpachi...continues to not give a single **** about the imagination guys powers. It's kind of hilarious how little he cares. Oh, a wave of lava? SLICE IN HALF.

That made me laugh. Zaraki really is about to blow this kid's mind, isn't it?

[Morph Bark]

Imagination kid does a little better in last week's chapter, but still below Lantern Dent levels.

[HandofShadows]

Oh it is SO, SO good to be BACK!

As for Zaraki, yeah he is just more powerfull than the kid can imagine. What's more Zaraki just figured out his weakness. In order to effect anything he has to be able to conentrate on it. This sadistic little ^&*#@! is toast.

[Anteros]

I still think the power, like everything else in Bleach, isn't limited by the user's imagination, but rather by his spiritual energy.

My problem with this isn't that I necessarily think you're wrong...it's just that it's not good writing. It takes away the fun of having creative and inventive powers, because in the end everything just comes down to a spiritual measuring contest.