LGBTAIitp # 49: Please check all baggage before boarding the Rainbow Rail Road

[SiuiS]

So cute it makes me angry!

Well that's a unique response XD

That didn't take too long. Anyone interested in seeing the diatribe my spawn point is spewing, let me know. I'll PM it to ya.
And here I was hoping to actually make progress.

Oh goodness. Sure, I need something to fuel my work ethic for tomorrow and nothing like impotent rage, yeah?

You sounds like you need a kitten.

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Feel free to PM me if you want parent sympathies.

Hahaha that kitty's face OMC! It's adorable!

[Lauren]

That didn't take too long. Anyone interested in seeing the diatribe my spawn point is spewing, let me know. I'll PM it to ya.
And here I was hoping to actually make progress.

Oh, I'm sorry, that sucks

[Eldest]

Once I get a boy's shirt I'll do a complete montage

Yay!

(well, almost complete, as I'm not posing in my underwear)

Awww.

mkay?

Okay!

Is anyone of the belief V and their mate are some form of LGBT? Would you think said world would be accepting of such a character?

I think that V's female and her (their) mate is nonbinary. So sure. The Giant specifically said their kids are adopted to make sure they could be any given pair of genders.

[SiuiS]

Found a slightly more wordy form of that article on laboratory grown sex organs. turns out the specifics might preclude successful transsexual use – depends on how strictly accurate the tissue needs to map. I can see a FtM getting a working penis out of this with some shaping maybe, but a MtF doesn't gain as much since the one theoretical advantage (lack of shrinking) doesn't seem to be there.

Using the clear and present 'swap current genitals for cells' method at least. I'm not sure how unique vaginal canal tissue is. If it's just any ol' mucus membrane then it's non-issue.

E: and I flubbed the copypastejutsu. Heh.

[Ravens_cry]

I bought a cheap Lixin wig, and, well, it's crap, but it's all I can afford at this time, and I was wondering about good ways to lessen frizz.

[Axinian]

That didn't take too long. Anyone interested in seeing the diatribe my spawn point is spewing, let me know. I'll PM it to ya.
And here I was hoping to actually make progress.

*hugs*

You sounds like you need a kitten.

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Kitteh! (is incapable of expressing complex thoughts in presence of kitties)

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So... today's the day.

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*deep breath* I've finally worked up the courage to commit to buying some things today and from what I've read the the sales assistants in most stores are pretty accommodating but I'm still super nervous 'cause I don't know what looks good on me and I hope they're willing to spend the time to help fit my clueless butt 'cause I'm not sure I'm in the mental state to handle it entirely on my own. I mean, I know my measurements and stuff but I don't know what cup size to shoot for and I want to figure it out before getting breast forms and I don't know if I should bring my wig or not 'cause it's just a cosplay wig and I'll get a better one in a different color (though black does look good on me) but I don't know which and what if they don't happen to carry tall sizes or they're all out and I've got to go searching all over, because it's making me super nervous going into just one store and Victoria's Secret and Banana Republic are supposed to be pretty friendly about this and they're right next to each other which is convenient I guess but I haven't been able to find good backup stores elsewhere and ohmygod I'm rambling.

Gah! I can't wait for my parents to leave so I can go before I second-guess myself out of this. I've been equal parts nervous and excited the past couple days and it's been building up inside me and making me restless and I've never realized how much I need this I just hope I don't get to the store but turn around at the last minute because I have a tendency to get talk myself out of things I want to do because I'm nervous and pessimistic and I 'm rambling again, stop it.

*deeper breath*

On the plus side, I'm pretty darn certain I'll feel better if I get this done, and there are support groups right near by that can help me out (though the next meeting isn't for a while). So... wish me luck?

[Ravens_cry]

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So... today's the day.

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*deep breath* I've finally worked up the courage to commit to buying some things today and from what I've read the the sales assistants in most stores are pretty accommodating but I'm still super nervous 'cause I don't know what looks good on me and I hope they're willing to spend the time to help fit my clueless butt 'cause I'm in the mental state to handle it entirely on my own. I mean, I know my measurements and stuff but I don't know what cup size to shoot for and I want to figure it out before getting breast forms and I don't know if I should bring my wig or not 'cause it's just a cosplay wig and I'll get a better one in a different color (though black does look good on me) but I don't know which and what if they don't happen to carry tall sizes or they're all out and I've got to go searching all over, because it's making me super nervous going into just one store and Victoria's Secret and Banana Republic are supposed to be pretty friendly about this and they're right next to each other which is convenient I guess but I haven't been able to find good backup stores elsewhere and ohmygod I'm rambling.

Gah! I can't wait for my parents to leave so I can go before I second-guess myself out of this. I've been equal parts nervous and excited the past couple days and it's been building up inside me and making me restless and I've never realized how much I need this I just hope I don't get to the store but turn around at the last minute because I have a tendency to get talk myself out of things I want to do because I'm nervous and pessimistic and I 'm rambling again, stop it.

*deeper breath*

On the plus side, I'm pretty darn certain I'll feel better if I get this done, and there are support groups right near by that can help me out (though the next meeting isn't for a while). So... wish me luck?

Oh gods, yes.

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Which is why I am so glad a close friend, one of the few I have opened up to about this, has invited me to a Mary Kay party she is hosting at some point. I live in a small town, and people in small town talk. I got funny looks and comments when I bought shoes around Halloween. Good luck and best hopes. It's, well, it's exhausting, but ones happiness is worth it.

[Philemonite]

... what?

I wish I was making it up.

That didn't take too long. Anyone interested in seeing the diatribe my spawn point is spewing, let me know. I'll PM it to ya.
And here I was hoping to actually make progress.

I'm sorry. Have some hugs, I hope they make you feel better.



So, birth day crap has passed, and I feel a lot better. Menial labor really helped, but now I'm too tired to stay awake, and my shift just started. It's gonna be a long day.

[Heliomance]

Blech.

I has an ill.

*sneezes*

EDIT: Is anyone else seeing my avatar as a car? Because it looks like a car to me and I have no earthly clue why.

[Jormengand]

EDIT: Is anyone else seeing my avatar as a car? Because it looks like a car to me and I have no earthly clue why.

No, your avatar looks like a cute girl with a cool hat.

[Mina Kobold]

Mrr, somehow watching Hourou Musuko's first few episodes really made me sad and dysphoric about everything. The main characters have plenty of their own problems, but I'm really jealous that I didn't know at that age and that I probably won't get a chance to present as myself for years. It's really silly of me, but i can't stop wishing I could just come out.

*Tries to clear head*

Sorry, no need to bother everybody with me being petty and jealous of fictional characters. ^_^'

@Axinian: Wish you luck. Never dared to do the same myself*, but I hope it goes well for you, it may go much better than you expect.

@Tamsin: Hope you get better soon! And no, your avatar looks like usual to me. ^_^


*Though I have been wondering if I could convince my mum to let me wear nail polish and/or get a hairpin. I just have no idea how to gage whether it would be met with her not caring or her finding it completely ridiculous. Not comprehending social cues stinks. ;_;

[Miriel]

So... today's the day.

Spoiler: nervous rambling

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*deep breath* I've finally worked up the courage to commit to buying some things today and from what I've read the the sales assistants in most stores are pretty accommodating but I'm still super nervous 'cause I don't know what looks good on me and I hope they're willing to spend the time to help fit my clueless butt 'cause I'm not sure I'm in the mental state to handle it entirely on my own. I mean, I know my measurements and stuff but I don't know what cup size to shoot for and I want to figure it out before getting breast forms and I don't know if I should bring my wig or not 'cause it's just a cosplay wig and I'll get a better one in a different color (though black does look good on me) but I don't know which and what if they don't happen to carry tall sizes or they're all out and I've got to go searching all over, because it's making me super nervous going into just one store and Victoria's Secret and Banana Republic are supposed to be pretty friendly about this and they're right next to each other which is convenient I guess but I haven't been able to find good backup stores elsewhere and ohmygod I'm rambling.

Gah! I can't wait for my parents to leave so I can go before I second-guess myself out of this. I've been equal parts nervous and excited the past couple days and it's been building up inside me and making me restless and I've never realized how much I need this I just hope I don't get to the store but turn around at the last minute because I have a tendency to get talk myself out of things I want to do because I'm nervous and pessimistic and I 'm rambling again, stop it.

*deeper breath*

On the plus side, I'm pretty darn certain I'll feel better if I get this done, and there are support groups right near by that can help me out (though the next meeting isn't for a while). So... wish me luck?

If I understand correctly, you're MAAB and want to wear more feminine clothes, right? Do you want some tips on how to choose the right clothes for your anatomy?

For your first girly clothes, I recommend buying clothes second-hand. It'll be much cheaper, so you will be able to buy (and try!) entirely new types of clothes without killing your budget.

Bras... Just buy push-ups with lots of padding. It's often enough, especially to start with. I bought my first ones at a cheap store for teenage girls, so 1) cheap, because teens have no money and 2) very padded, because... I guess teens like that?

*Though I have been wondering if I could convince my mum to let me wear nail polish and/or get a hairpin. I just have no idea how to gage whether it would be met with her not caring or her finding it completely ridiculous. Not comprehending social cues stinks. ;_;

To probe her about that, you could come back with nail polish and say that "my girl friends did this to me" or something similar. Is that possible/a good idea?

[Axinian]

If I understand correctly, you're MAAB and want to wear more feminine clothes, right? Do you want some tips on how to choose the right clothes for your anatomy?

I am MAAB, yes. Yes please on the tips! I'm about 6' tall and reasonably thin (I used to be really underweight but that changed when college hit, now I am distinctly average in weight).

For your first girly clothes, I recommend buying clothes second-hand. It'll be much cheaper, so you will be able to buy (and try!) entirely new types of clothes without killing your budget.

Bras... Just buy push-ups with lots of padding. It's often enough, especially to start with. I bought my first ones at a cheap store for teenage girls, so 1) cheap, because teens have no money and 2) very padded, because... I guess teens like that?

Hm. It makes a lot of sense to get things second hand, but I've actually also heard that you don't want to do that, since you're less likely to find something suited to you (especially if you're tall)? I'm not sure where I heard that though.

I mean, I could probably pass as a teen in a teen store without anyone being the wiser (I still get carded for alcohol quite frequently despite being old enough). Do you think the teen section would have anything big enough for my height?

[Coidzor]

Blech.

I has an ill.

*sneezes*

EDIT: Is anyone else seeing my avatar as a car? Because it looks like a car to me and I have no earthly clue why.

I suppose you've got a pair of headlights there if you squint and look at it sideways in the glasses there, but they're a bit too close together, so I'd say it's more like a motorcycle or one of those relatives of the Transformers that turned into Motorsickles or a mini-con or Eric Idle from that one Transformers Movie.

[Miriel]

I am MAAB, yes. Yes please on the tips! I'm about 6' tall and reasonably thin (I used to be really underweight but that changed when college hit, now I am distinctly average in weight).

Hm. It makes a lot of sense to get things second hand, but I've actually also heard that you don't want to do that, since you're less likely to find something suited to you (especially if you're tall)? I'm not sure where I heard that though.

I mean, I could probably pass as a teen in a teen store without anyone being the wiser (I still get carded for alcohol quite frequently despite being old enough). Do you think the teen section would have anything big enough for my height?

I hadn't thought about height. I'm 5'7", so it's never been an issue. But then, I don't think it'll be more of a problem in second-hand stores than in regular ones.

For bras, what matters is your band size, not your height. If you're thin, you may be fine. (And lots of non-teens shop at teen stores, because it's cheap )

I'll give you some tips later, when I get to the library.

[Axinian]

For bras, what matters is your band size, not your height. If you're thin, you may be fine. (And lots of non-teens shop at teen stores, because it's cheap )

Oh, yeah, I meant in terms of actual clothes in addition to bras , but you probably just meant going into the store just to get bras :P

[Coidzor]

For bras, what matters is your band size, not your height. If you're thin, you may be fine. (And lots of non-teens shop at teen stores, because it's cheap )

Being too tall can actually lead to some issues with the shoulder straps, especially if one is only finding stuff for petite women. It's still generally a... tertiary concern at most for most though.

[Ravens_cry]

I am lucky in a couple respects. I am not too tall (5'8") and I actually got fairly long legs in comparison to my torso. I still got no shape, but colour theory works a treat there. Darks on top, lighter shades from waist to knee and darker again from the knee down. Helps create the illusion of some hipness.
At least, in theory.

[Asta Kask]

I'm so glad I'm not a trans woman. I hate shaving.

It's too bad that Goldfinger has the sexism and the de-lesbification/rape scene because otherwise it's an almost perfect Bond movie. I really like it. It has one-liners, gadgets (but still believable gadgets), a great villain, a somewhat plausible villain master plan. And Glodfinger the best one-liner (both content and delivery) in the whole damn series:



2:00-2:10 or thereabouts. Perfect. If they could remake this, without the sexism and homophobia... with actors worthy of the task, it could be spectacular.

[razovor]

I am MAAB, yes. Yes please on the tips! I'm about 6' tall and reasonably thin (I used to be really underweight but that changed when college hit, now I am distinctly average in weight).

I am 5'8, and having not started on hormones yet; by BMI I am underweight for a woman.

But anyway, when I bought my first set of girls clothes, I deliberately bought one pair that was obviously female, and one set that wasn't, so I could try girl clothes in public without being bothered.

I don't actually wear most of those clothes anymore, but it was still fun and super useful.

I do now tend to only buy from charity shops, but got most of my wardrobe from Primark.

[Kindablue]

They did that. It was called Quantum of Solace and it sucked.

[Mina Kobold]

To probe her about that, you could come back with nail polish and say that "my girl friends did this to me" or something similar. Is that possible/a good idea?

I'd probably need to have friends in Denmark for that. That's a big hurdle for me, finding people to trust instead of just hiding at home. I'm quite terrible at keeping in contact even if I'm not afraid that people would just laugh if I told them, though. >_>

I'm hoping to find a way to bring it up in conversation, particularly since I might be able to mention it as off-hand musings, but it's still not very easy. ^_^'

[KenderWizard]

I couldn't quote everyone on the quiz cause I hit the quote cap, and I was going to copy-paste and pop into a spoiler but I'm on my tablety computer and it was too complicated!

But generally, yes, there are questions that are not applicable to some groups (I also am bereft of a place to Be Agnostic on Sunday mornings, but I'm getting on just fine ), there's stuff that's left out (class isn't covered very well, which is a big thing here -- whether or not your parents/grandparents went to college is huge) and there's stuff that's pretty inarguably more serious than other things.

And like I said, it isn't the score or the comparison, it's the exercise.

Also, it's really ridiculous because I apparently have a lower score than Kender.

Your life must be awful! It's a very blunt tool: I get the same bump "down" for Being A Woman as I do for That One Time I Was The Only Person Of My Race In A Group Which Was Kind Of A Fluke But Did Happen (twice, both with all Asians). Maybe I'm hitting more of the "big" ones but you're winning on pure numbers? Or maybe my white-middle-class-highly-educated privilege is outweighing whatever you've got going on. I consider myself pretty square in the middle, privilege-speaking.


So, I've been at a con today and I'll be going back tomorrow. I went as Enchantress, she's a hell of a lot of fun. This was a thrown-together kind of cosplay, featuring a 7euro dress with a few things borrowed and a few things of my own adapted! (Feel free to Like that photo, btw, might win ... something. #payingattention )

But anyway, there was this stand by the guy who does Khaos Komix, who is just an adorably lovely guy, btw, selling the print runs of his comics, but also selling a whole bunch of fantastically ... gay apparel. He had tshirts that listed (each with a circle beside it) "I AM A Female Male Trans* Intersex Androgynous Genderqueer Agender Straight Lesbian Gay Bisexual Asexual Pansexual Queer Polyamorous Dominant Submissive Vanilla Kinky Other PERSON" and you get rainbow or questionmark badges to put in the circles of the ones that apply to you! He's got them on his online shop as well. I would feel super uncomfortable wearing one (at least, an accurate one) around a comics convention, but it'd be really cool to do a group of friends for Pride or something. So instead I got one of this awesome Ringbows!

[Asta Kask]

They did that. It was called Quantum of Solace and it sucked.

I never saw it. Not a big fan of Daniel Craig, although I admit that Casino Royale is a very good movie.

[golentan]

But anyway, there was this stand by the guy who does Khaos Komix, who is just an adorably lovely guy, btw, selling the print runs of his comics, but also selling a whole bunch of fantastically ... gay apparel. He had tshirts that listed (each with a circle beside it) "I AM A Female Male Trans* Intersex Androgynous Genderqueer Agender Straight Lesbian Gay Bisexual Asexual Pansexual Queer Polyamorous Dominant Submissive Vanilla Kinky Other PERSON" and you get rainbow or questionmark badges to put in the circles of the ones that apply to you! He's got them on his online shop as well. I would feel super uncomfortable wearing one (at least, an accurate one) around a comics convention, but it'd be really cool to do a group of friends for Pride or something. So instead I got one of this awesome Ringbows!

I love tab, and I love Khaos Komix!

[Mono Vertigo]

I'm a fan of the old James Bond movies.
Because they're so kitschy, and a true product of their time. It entertains me to think people at that time would have taken all the sexism, racism, and other crap as if they were actually true and reasonable. The abundant cliches amuse me. It seems like there's a whole world apart between the one I'm living in, and the one in which the movies are supposed to take place.
(The OSS 117 movies, about a French spy in the 50's-60's, are a satire of James Bond precisely for this reason: the protagonist is explicitly pointed out as sexist, racist, and a massive jerk, working for a government that's hardly better, who only manages to look good because he's fighting Nazis.)
Similarly, I'm a fan of Mad Men. It's not supposed to be funny at all (not that the James Bond movies were, but you get what I mean); it's a great documentary of how horrible society was back then in spite of all the pretty, sparkling varnish. Oddly, I'm very fond of the era ranging from the 40's to the 70's because I'm fascinated by the contrast between the apparent perfection and the terribleness it hid, but unlike most fans of a specific time period, I'd never NEVER want to live during that era.

And then I hate Pierce Brosnan's James Bond movies, because the social and political context had changed from the previous ones, which makes it jarring when the racism or sexism does pop up. It's no longer an artifact of a past era, it's just today's obliviousness. (Of course, the old movies resonate differently because I was born after the Cold War; I know that if I had watched it when it came out, with my similar level of knowledge, I might actually have been as offended by them as I am today by the 90's movies, instead of amused and relieved that world is not mine.)
Also it's not kitschy in the good ways.
As for the Daniel Craig movies... never watched them.

[Delusion]

True Soul part 10 is out now btw.

And if omeonehappened to mss the par 9 because it came out during forum shutdown, be sure to read it too first.

[lord pringle]

Someone else who shares my love of OSS 117! *Glomp*

[Mystic Muse]

For the record, I'm not saying that just because it has those moments necessarily makes Goldfinger a bad movie. I'm just saying that it having those elements makes it something I probably won't want to watch. I find the idea of changing somebody's sexuality rather offensive, and I basically refuse to watch something with out-and-out rape in it.

[Mono Vertigo]

Someone else who shares my love of OSS 117! *Glomp*

I could say the same! It's so sad many of the puns can't be translated in other languages. They're just gloriously silly.


@Mystic Muse: yeah, I'm not saying it's a good (or bad) movie, and I can completely understand you don't want to watch it. It IS a despicable idea, and the narrative would probably be improved by removing this scene.
I can watch it, though, because of the mindset I have when I watch these movies. Treating the whole as a sort of joke that's on the believers of that crap, even though it was not made with this intention.
(Then again, I'm a firm believer that anything can be the subject of jokes - you just don't get to make these jokes with everyone. Knowing my audience, I am very careful not to make the same jokes in this thread as I do with my friends. There are LGBT people in both groups, but they don't appreciate unanimously the same degree of black humour. Anyway, I'm better at finding humour even in subjects that can hurt me. It's not a good or bad quality, just a quality I have.)