Can you swing a pig weighing your max load?

[pwykersotz]

Wasn't this the plot of Final Fantasy VII?

...you just blew my mind.

[Inevitability]

I can't believe we didn't get any mind-blows until page 7. Seriously, I expected this thread to do better.

[Immabozo]

I can't believe we didn't get any mind-blows until page 7. Seriously, I expected this thread to do better.

my mind ='ed blown on page 2 when black holes came up. It was just so blown I was speechless.

[TiaC]

That's the point. There is no gravity, so the pig becomes infinitely dense until it creates its own gravity and collapses into a black hole.

it's entirely possible that no gravity means that mass does not generate a gravitational force. In that case, the pig would become infinitely dense without collapsing. It would therefore be an immovable object. However, there are still ways of moving it, so the irresistible force still wins.

[Immabozo]

it's entirely possible that no gravity means that mass does not generate a gravitational force. In that case, the pig would become infinitely dense without collapsing. It would therefore be an immovable object. However, there are still ways of moving it, so the irresistible force still wins.

While yes, we could imagine so, there is just no precedent (that I am aware of). So it stands to reason that the two go hand in hand

[SamaelOfChaos]

So what happens if the pig by some miracle has commoner levels and takes the pig flaw?
Do we suddenly create a kind of Pig-Centipede with a human commoner acting as a cherry on top? :D

[Immabozo]

So what happens if the pig by some miracle has commoner levels and takes the pig flaw?
Do we suddenly create a kind of Pig-Centipede with a human commoner acting as a cherry on top? :D

To take commoner levels, unless I am mistaken, the pig must be awakened, and may disqualify it as being the subject pig of the flaw

[toapat]

That, and i dont think anyone really wants to bother with getting the Soon to be a Sphere of Annihilation class levels, because its not particularly useful

[Gildedragon]

That, and i dont think anyone really wants to bother with getting the Soon to be a Sphere of Annihilation class levels, because its not particularly useful

-shock- So THAT's how one makes one of those!

[toapat]

i guess my question is, what happens to Porcus if the Pig has already collapsed into a blackhole/Sphere of Annihilation and you evacuate the commoner from the square via contingent teleport?

Do you delete Orcus from the multiverse, halve his power? or does he just transform from the pig?

[Immabozo]

i guess my question is, what happens to Porcus if the Pig has already collapsed into a blackhole/Sphere of Annihilation and you evacuate the commoner from the square via contingent teleport?

Do you delete Orcus from the multiverse, halve his power? or does he just transform from the pig?

hmmmm, what came first? Porcus or the black hole?

[toapat]

hmmmm, what came first? Porcus or the black hole?

neither, the contingency was tied to the Commoner's Str score breaking the threshhold for the pig collapsing into a blackhole.

[Immabozo]

neither, the contingency was tied to the Commoner's Str score breaking the threshhold for the pig collapsing into a blackhole.

So they all happen at once. But since Porcus is a result of the commoner being more than 5 feet away, he becomes Black Horus

[Gildedragon]

i guess my question is, what happens to Porcus if the Pig has already collapsed into a blackhole/Sphere of Annihilation and you evacuate the commoner from the square via contingent teleport?

Do you delete Orcus from the multiverse, halve his power? or does he just transform from the pig?

Well, the sphere of anihilation IS the pig. Porcus's appearance means the pig's mass dropped precipitously. There probably is a very big release of energy (I think, physics is not my forte) as objects are no longer falling towards the Pig fly outwards at relativistic speeds. Probably Porcus has to resurrect the commoner as the ensuing blast has atomized him.
Safer to just shove the commoner into the sphere. For the good of the multiverse.

[Yorrin]

This is one of the best threads that has come out on this board in a long time. I heartily approve.

Here's another fun idea: commoner gets levels in Fiend of Possession and rides around in the pig. Since FoP specifically allows you to use SLAs when possessing a creature take some levels of Warlock as well.

[malonkey1]

This is one of the best threads that has come out on this board in a long time. I heartily approve.

Here's another fun idea: commoner gets levels in Fiend of Possession and rides around in the pig. Since FoP specifically allows you to use SLAs when possessing a creature take some levels of Warlock as well.

I like that. Then you can have Strength as your dump stat and just pump the pig's strength up, focusing yourself on Charisma and Intelligence. I think we found a complete, rules-legal way to make the pig-bound flaw into an advantage.

[Necroticplague]

Except you have to first be ethereal to posses somebody. Since the ethereal is a whole plane away from where the pig is, than for that moment, you fail to meet the conditions. So it turns into porcus, and reaches through the ethereal to skin you.

[malonkey1]

Except you have to first be ethereal to posses somebody. Since the ethereal is a whole plane away from where the pig is, than for that moment, you fail to meet the conditions. So it turns into porcus, and reaches through the ethereal to skin you.

Except that the Ethereal Plane is coexistant with the Material Plane:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/planes.htm]Coexistent Planes
If a link between two planes can be created at any point, the two planes are coexistent. These planes overlap each other completely. A coexistent plane can be reached from anywhere on the plane it overlaps. When moving on a coexistent plane, it is often possible to see into or interact with the plane it coexists with.

[Vedhin]

This is one of the best threads that has come out on this board in a long time. I heartily approve.

Here's another fun idea: commoner gets levels in Fiend of Possession and rides around in the pig. Since FoP specifically allows you to use SLAs when possessing a creature take some levels of Warlock as well.

I like it. If only there was some way to turn it into Porcus while you were already inside it.

I know, a Fiend of Possession possesses a different Commoners pig, and flies/swims/climbs/burrows away!

[Immabozo]

This is one of the best threads that has come out on this board in a long time. I heartily approve.

Here's another fun idea: commoner gets levels in Fiend of Possession and rides around in the pig. Since FoP specifically allows you to use SLAs when possessing a creature take some levels of Warlock as well.

I agree, and it is my honor to have started it!

This is rather a funny idea. I'll have to read up on FoP when I have time, but I am picking up what you are putting down, I am smelling what you are stepping in, and I like it.

[toapat]

Well, the sphere of anihilation IS the pig. Porcus's appearance means the pig's mass dropped precipitously. There probably is a very big release of energy (I think, physics is not my forte) as objects are no longer falling towards the Pig fly outwards at relativistic speeds. Probably Porcus has to resurrect the commoner as the ensuing blast has atomized him.
Safer to just shove the commoner into the sphere. For the good of the multiverse.

assuming that the sphere instantly transforms into orcus, the gravitic waves would liquefy his mass into meatsludge, then collapse it into plasma, which then detonates.

[Yorrin]

To further flesh out the build, I'll use a Neraph who has the Savage Species ritual to give him the Evil subtype. At level one he takes Martial Study in a Shadow Hand maneuver to get Hide as a permanent class skill. He then goes

Commoner 1/Warlock 6/Fiend of Possession 6

Choosing Spiderwalk as one of his least invocations to become Spider Pig, and using his 3d6 Eldritch Blast as his primary offense. Warlock 6 gets a lesser invocation, so Fell Flight is a possibility, or even Walk Unseen. To play in an actual party he'll want to be able to communicate, so I'm thinking telepathy. That's doable with two feats: Shape Soulmeld- Shedu Crown and Open Least Chakra- Crown. Might as well toss in mindsight as well. So in terms of feats:

1- Martial Study: Shadow Blade Technique
3- Shape Soulmeld: Shedu Crown
6- Open Least Chakra: Crown
9- Mindsight
12+ - ???

For example. I think that's pretty playable from that point onwards. To get there a bit earlier change it to

Commoner 1/Warlock 2/Binder 1/Fiend of Possesion 6

or something along those lines with a good Will save. The sames feats still work for that version. And I actually just realized that I didn't include the feat for the flaw itself, but I'm sure we can figure out something useful for that (Open Least Chakra has a prereq of level 6, so we can really speed up that feat chain too much).

[Vedhin]

And I actually just realized that I didn't include the feat for the flaw itself, but I'm sure we can figure out something useful for that (Open Least Chakra has a prereq of level 6, so we can really speed up that feat chain too much).

DotU has a feat that lets you Hide in Plain Sight as a swift action by expending a use of a darkness SLA. The Warlock has an invocation which counts.

[Yorrin]

DotU has a feat that lets you Hide in Plain Sight as a swift action by expending a use of a darkness SLA. The Warlock has an invocation which counts.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about the Drow Darkness feats. Even better than that one, imho, is the one that turn a Darkness SLA into a Greater Darkness SLA. That also tells us what the other two Invocations he'd pick are- Darkness and Devil's Sight. He is now capable of producing massive long-duration areas of magical darkness, hiding in them, and firing his lazer out from them. Much fun. This has transcended Spider Pig. This has gone straight to something like Venom-Pig.

[Immabozo]

I love this build. I will have to show it to my friends, haha

[emilin_rose]

... why can't i find any more information about this particular issue of the magazine? You'd think there's be at least a brief synopsis online somewhere.

[Immabozo]

... why can't i find any more information about this particular issue of the magazine? You'd think there's be at least a brief synopsis online somewhere.

Be careful about "thread necromancy". Which is commenting on and thus bringing an old (older than 6 weeks, I think?) thread "back from the dead". You can always message a board mod for permission. In your post, you should cite that you have it, if you have it.

But to answer your question, it is. A PDF version of the single page with the flaws is here and it can be (probably) illegally downloaded, my google fu brought it up, but I dare not link it.

[emilin_rose]

Thank you. I forgot to check the date. I was wandering in the 1000 ways to mess with your dm/players and it interested me.

[Immabozo]

Thank you. I forgot to check the date. I was wandering in the 1000 ways to mess with your dm/players and it interested me.

You're welcome and thank you for you interest