League of Legends LIX: Ice Cream, Stamps, and Lorn

[Ashen Lilies]

Olaf doesn't need mana to be a lane bully. E and W cost nothing in terms of mana and basically make him a bitch to deal with for most melee top laners. Infinite mana just makes him a better lane bully since he can Q spam on top of the E spam and W sustain.

[Godskook]

Blue works best on mana-gated lane bullies. Olaf, Ryze, top; Ziggs, Lux, mid, etc. Kinda superfluous on assassins. On Cait 8 out of 10 times I'd actually rather have blue than red at any point except late-game teamfights since she becomes so much stronger when she can spam traps and EQ combo for free poke.

Cait is stronger with Red than Blue at most stages of the game, though. At level 1-3 especially, Cait with Red is almost a certain zoned enemy ADC unless the support has sustain or the enemy duo significantly outplays you, while Cait with Blue isn't as problematic to deal with(and she was outpushing her opponents anyway, so added waveclear isn't a huge benefit).

[Math_Mage]

Cait with blue is better at levels 5-9 and worse the rest of the game.

Also, yes, giving first blue happened in pro matches occasionally way back in S2, but the changes to how asymmetrical lanes play out blunt the potential advantages of the tactic.

[Artanis]

I love having Blue buff when I'm Ezreal. Granted, that has less to do with Ezreal and more to do with my mana management being absolutely utterly horrific*, but still.


Also, I'm finding Tristana's W to be borderline broken at my level of play. At player level 16, people still lose track of their HP badly enough for me to get at least two virtually-unscathed W-Q-maybe R-W tower dive kills per game.



Totally unrelated thought:

I love that Twisted Fate got a soccer-related skin, especially since I actually was a soccer ref at one point. It's kinda weird that there's two batches of soccer-related skins without one for Lee Sin though. Not terribly disappointing, mind you, given how many skins Lee Sin already has, but still. If I were choosing thematic champions for their next one in four years, I'd pick Lee Sin, Orianna, Rammus (as an actual soccer ball), and possibly Syndra.


*Seriously, half the time I actually run Clarity FFS. I should probably do something about that.**

**Right after I replace my unparalleled ability to leave a minion at 1hp with the ability to last hit them.

[Don Julio Anejo]

If you're having trouble with mana management, consider putting 3 points in utility for mana regen masteries, and buy 3-4 flat mana regen glyphs when you reach level 20. The glyphs regen 0.33 mana/5 each, so 3 of them and 3 points in utility will give you 4 mana regen. That's usually more than enough to be spam happy on an ADC. If even that isn't enough, consider backing more often.

And yes, Tristana is awesome I think I got my first pentakill in League somewhere around your level just by getting really fed and chasing people down with W. And even people in gold still do this, although they're a lot better for punishing you for going in when you shouldn't (i.e. exhaust and CC you immediately when you jump to finish off someone, so your jump doesn't reset and you die at the turret or something).

[efdf]

just have your friendly top laner solo the enemy topside buff at level 1, back, then tp to his turret
works 100% of the time when no one is paying attention

[Winthur]

If you're having trouble with mana management, consider putting 3 points in utility for mana regen masteries, and buy 3-4 flat mana regen glyphs when you reach level 20. The glyphs regen 0.33 mana/5 each, so 3 of them and 3 points in utility will give you 4 mana regen. That's usually more than enough to be spam happy on an ADC. If even that isn't enough, consider backing more often.

i like veteran scars too much because i rely on cheap early all-ins and so my suggestion is to just buy mana pots when backing

[Math_Mage]

I love having Blue buff when I'm Ezreal. Granted, that has less to do with Ezreal and more to do with my mana management being absolutely utterly horrific*, but still.

Don't use W unless you're all-in or trading through minions--in the latter case, don't use Q. Don't use Q to last-hit if an auto will do. Save E for chasing/running. That's really all you need for mana management on Ezreal.

[Krazzman]

After a few games I have this summary:

Amumu doesn't even show up. Around 15 mins in Yasuo leaves game calling everyone else a noob. We surrender as 3v5 is too brutal.

Playing Amumu myself, proceed to fail 3 ganks. End Game with 3/5/9. Gnarf. Luckily their Jungler (Lee Sin) was worse.

Try out Teemo again. 8/0/5 in a bot game. My Jungler came exactly once.

Leona Support, my ADC has connection problems. Jinx and Morgana maul our faces as Tristana is too agressive and well 3/9/12. But we won thanks to our Riven that really kicked ass.

[TechnOkami]

Question: who here's on Mumble and plays a lot of Jayce. I need to throw myself against you, whoever you are, with you being Jayce and me being any top laner I play. I'm really sick and tired of always doing poorly when matched against one.

[Forrestfire]

I'd be up for it, if I can get League to patch. Gimme a few minutes.

[Godskook]

Question: who here's on Mumble and plays a lot of Jayce. I need to throw myself against you, whoever you are, with you being Jayce and me being any top laner I play. I'm really sick and tired of always doing poorly when matched against one.

#trysofawall

[Olinser]

So this marks the first series of games for the LCS played on the 4.10 patch.

Should be interesting to see how everything is affected, both pick/ban priority and item build paths.

Spoiler: TSM vs CLG PICK/BANS

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Doublelift already rocking the Tristana, Nidalee not even meriting a glance in pick/bans.

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Spoiler: TSM vs CLG Early Game

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Both Kassadin AND Orianna working towards Rod of Ages first item, Link not even picking up Chalice, just going straight for that rod.

Both Lucian AND Tristana getting first item BOTRK.

[NineThePuma]

I'd be up for it, if I can get League to patch. Gimme a few minutes.

I forgot that you were a horrible person. by which I mean someone who plays Jayce.

[TechnOkami]

I'd be up for it, if I can get League to patch. Gimme a few minutes.

Not right now, just like, in the future. I'm doing D&D atm.

#trysofawall

He doesn't actually play Jayce and recommended someone else.

[Math_Mage]

So this marks the first series of games for the LCS played on the 4.10 patch.

Should be interesting to see how everything is affected, both pick/ban priority and item build paths.

Spoiler: TSM vs CLG PICK/BANS

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Doublelift already rocking the Tristana, Nidalee not even meriting a glance in pick/bans.

EDIT:

Spoiler: TSM vs CLG Early Game

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Both Kassadin AND Orianna working towards Rod of Ages first item, Link not even picking up Chalice, just going straight for that rod.

Both Lucian AND Tristana getting first item BOTRK.

Spoiler: TSM v. CLG

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Doublelift plays Tristana, loses the game by getting caught twice. How do you even do that?

[Forrestfire]

Not right now, just like, in the future. I'm doing D&D atm.

He doesn't actually play Jayce and recommended someone else.

That works, then. I'm free this weekend, at least.

[Olinser]

Spoiler: Complexity vs CLG Picks/Bans

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Tristana picked up again, and Sona makes her grand return!!!

[Don Julio Anejo]

Spoiler: TSM v. CLG

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Doublelift plays Tristana, loses the game by getting caught twice. How do you even do that?

Answer:

Spoiler

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Doublelift.

Complexity vs. Cloud 9:

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Pretty sure the tank is supposed to initiate, not Tristana.. but hey, nice to know I'm not the only one that's suicidal with her.

[Krazzman]

First we can, thanks to an enemy leaving, drag the game out to 40 minutes before the uberfed yasuo just pentakills us. Then I join a bot game that lasts 47 minutes before we can destroy their nexus.

Malphite/Poppy top (against Nunu and Blitzcrank), Talon mid (against Annie) and Leona and Katarina bot (against Lux and Kog'Maw)... They started to push agressively from the very start. But thanks to Malphite dying quite often, I think me with 2 deaths, the rest with 4 to 13 deaths that this was rather hard...
At the end I just ditched my vision stone for an infinity edge...

[u-gotNOgame]

So I leave for about 3 months then I come back and this happens.

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My first penta!

Ah its good to be back. Also, yes I am back with a new computer, so lets have many games.

UGNG

[ex cathedra]

He doesn't actually play Jayce and recommended someone else.

im jayce god

[Forrestfire]

So I leave for about 3 months then I come back and this happens.

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My first penta!

Ah its good to be back. Also, yes I am back with a new computer, so lets have many games.

UGNG

I like how you blanked out the names on the right but left the team roster untouched

Congrats, in any case. A penta on Udyr of all people seems fairly difficult

[PersonMan]

Congrats, in any case. A penta on Udyr of all people seems fairly difficult

I imagine it works like a Sion penta, but with more ability mashing.

Namely, hurl yourself at enemies in a big fight, notice that you're getting multikills, then suddenly realize you have a quad and their last member is up and low.

[NineThePuma]

The hard part of getting a penta with udyr is not having everyone run away.

[u-gotNOgame]

I like how you blanked out the names on the right but left the team roster untouched

Congrats, in any case. A penta on Udyr of all people seems fairly difficult

I, uhh, no comment.

I imagine it works like a Sion penta, but with more ability mashing.

Namely, hurl yourself at enemies in a big fight, notice that you're getting multikills, then suddenly realize you have a quad and their last member is up and low.

That's exactly how it happens

The hard part of getting a penta with udyr is not having everyone run away.

To be fair I had Tri-Force and alacrity boots. Also I think I got like an instant triple when my pheonix last hit a group of them that had just ate ez ulti, trynd spin, and zed damage.

-UGNG

[thracian]

The sheer amount of Pentakills I could have as Udyr if the enemies would just fight instead of running away is somewhat frustrating, compared to the number I've actually had (0).

Side note: My toplane Jarvan has to-date caused 3 ragequits and 2 laneswaps over the course of 3 games. I have not yet played a game where the enemy team had a top laner past the 10 minute mark. To be fair, I was against three squishy melee people, so it was all really good matchups, but still.

[efdf]

im jayce god

you dont even get hydra
or jungle

[mrcarter11]

The sheer amount of Pentakills I could have as Udyr if the enemies would just fight instead of running away is somewhat frustrating, compared to the number I've actually had (0).

Side note: My toplane Jarvan has to-date caused 3 ragequits and 2 laneswaps over the course of 3 games. I have not yet played a game where the enemy team had a top laner past the 10 minute mark. To be fair, I was against three squishy melee people, so it was all really good matchups, but still.

I've seen people doing it going Brutu into Hydra. What are you using for R&M's?

[ex cathedra]

you dont even get hydra
or jungle

that's why i'm jayce god

I've seen people doing it going Brutu into Hydra. What are you using for R&M's?

hydra is inefficient on champions who are only purchasing tiamat for burst. going tiamat-> bruta or LW is probably ideal on champions like j4 and talon.