Pokémon Thread XXIII: The Thread With No Name

[Mando Knight]

You see, I understand you men were just playin' around, but the Pokémon, it just doesn't get it...

These are friend codes (May be out of date/incomplete: If they are, please PM me with your codes and I'll fix them). For your friends. If you're not on here? It means you're not friendly. Or that for whatever reason your codes didn't get put here. If you're not here, just mention it whenever you can (poke me with a PM if I don't get you up in a couple of days, the thread moves fast and I don't like thread-digging much). Additions in the thread will be added to the end of the respective list, and then will (if I remember) be re-alphabetized... later.

Friend codes, for the uninitiated, are how you connect with other players. The DS (and thus Gen IV & V games) used a different Friend Code for each game you have, while the 3DS uses one Friend Code for the system. DS Friend Codes have been removed from the thread due to Wii and DS online features being discontinued.

Friend Codes and Safaris:

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You can only have 100 Friend Codes registered at a time.

To use the Friend Safari, you need to have defeated the Elite Four, and both you and your friend must have added each other. For more details, see here.

GitPName	Code	CharacterName	3DS(Mii)Name	SafariType	Pokémon1	Pokémon2	Pokémon3
Alaris	1907-9395-1731	Tom	Alaris	Flying	Farfetch'd	Swanna
Aotrs	5172-0494-3728		Bleakbane	Normal	Lillipup	Kecleon	Smeargle
Arcran	2294-3882-2896		Arcran	Water	Octillery	Wartortle	Azumarill
Armaius	3239-3640-9568		Timothy	Ice	Spheal	Beartic	Lapras
AstralFire(Full)	0834-1672-7022	Adorabelle	Cinder	Bug	Ledyba	Volbeat	Venomoth
AtlanteanTroll	4055-3788-4115		Fresca	Normal	Lillipup	Loudred
bluewind95	0473-9066-8078	Raziel	Kallie	Grass	Tangela	Swadloon	Gogoat
boj0	1693-1768-6943	boj0	boj0	Fairy	Swirlix	Togepi	Floette
Burley	1547-6257-5822
Burnerpower	0645-6906-6047	Chase	Burner	Fire	Pansear	Pyroar	Braixen
ChaosArchon	4742-5730-4052
Codswallop	1650-2047-0584		Dan	Ghost	Lampent	Phantump	Spiritomb
CynanMachae	2964-9109-7883		Cynan	Pancham	Hariyama	Mienfoo	Pancham
DMan7733	0104-0178-9108		Dennis	Psychic	Duosion	Espurr	Munna
DarkTira	4012-4193-6629	Flair	DarkTira	Grass	Ivysaur	Sunkern	Quilladin
DarkLightDragon	3110-5232-7003	Gwendolyn	DLD2	Water	Krabby	Floatzel	Azumarill
Derjuin	2063-0607-0374	Gwen	Derjuin	Flying	Tropius	Doduo	Tranquill
DiegoHavoc	5343-7951-5809	Diana	Diego	Ghost	Lampent	Phantump	Spiritomb
Dihan	3909-7507-9532	Cai	Bryn	Fairy	Kirlia	Mawile	Floette
Drakenkin	1220-6369-1867		RC	Steel	Forretress	Magneton	Klefki
Dvil	1891-1492-0775		Lorzo	Ghost	Shuppet	Pumpkaboo	Dusclops
Elhann	4656-7012-2957	Afo	Afo	Normal	Lillipup	Loudred	Ditto
EmperorIng	1134-7922-2243	Rand	EmpI	Ground	Phanpy	Dugtrio	Palpitoad
FallenGeek	2938-7158-7152		UberGeek	Fairy	Dedenne	Mawile	Floette
FoolishTeeth	2965-0036-6655	Jerome	80s	Flying	Farfetch'd	Woobat	Rufflet
Forrestfire	0044-4109-2187	Linae		Normal	Kecleon	Dunsparce	Smeargle
Freudianship	0791-1490-0816		Victoria	Ice	Delibird	Bergmite	Piloswine
Gengy	1762-3248-0955	Genaur	(Redacted)	Dark	Pawniard	Crawdaunt	Liepard
geonova	3625-8744-4346	Geo	Geo	Water	Wartortle	Panpour	Poliwhirl
GiftJeraff	0662-3715-4355		Venkman	Fighting	Mankey	Throh	Hariyama
Goldfly	1203-9717-6298	Gold	Gold	Electric	Pikachu	Electrode	Luxio
Gulaghar	4012-3882-1934	Nadia	Ghar	Fairy	Dedenne	Mawile	Floette
HandsomeGoblin	0920-0919-2787
HappyGravity	2208-5735-4223	Eileen	-_-	Poison	Swalot	Kakuna	Croagunk
Harnel	5472-7302-7698	Halae	Halae	Water	Krabby	Gyarados	Frogadier
Hogwarts9876	3024-5607-5601	Adam	Adam
HunterNoventa	0189-8423-5030	Emi	Emi	Electric
InfernallyClay	1891-1230-7244	Alice	Winny	Psychic	Sigilyph	Grumpig	Duosion
JustPlayItLoud	4785-6164-8724	Toaster	Brett	Fire	Magmar	Charmeleon	Ninetales
Keris(Full)	2423-2600-9179	Tarn	Tarn	Water	Bibarel	Floatzel	Frogadier
Kurgan	1478-3987-4689	Kurhanik	Kurgan	Steel	Magneton	Forretress	Klefki
Kuroten	2809-8617-8608	Raijin/Akemi		Water	Panpour	Floatzel	Frogadier
Kuulvheysoon	5257-9453-0107	Ariik
LawlessIII	5129-1568-6363	Gorgeous	Andrew	Flying	Farfetch'd	Woobat	Fletchinder
LordFullbladder	5343-8973-8240		SheG	Normal	Aipom	Minccino	Ditto
Mattarias,King(requestonly)	5343-8171-8375	Mattarias	Mattarias	Water	Bibarel	Floatzel	Frogadier
MeatShield#236	1950-7553-3565	Thomas	Meatshield	Bug	Combee	Beautifly	Pinsir
MercenaryPen	4227-2044-9144		MercenPen	Flying	Pidgey	Tranquill	Hawlucha
Mtg_player_zach	1590-5500-0148	Zach	Zach	Electric	Pikachu	Dedenne	Luxio
NeoPhoenix0	2852-8259-2899	Victoria	NeoPhoenix	Water	Octillery	Floatzel	Azumarill
noparlpf	0705-3326-2027	Jude	Jude	Flying	Spearow	Woobat	Rufflet
OracleofWuffing	2234-7142-0224		T-Dawg	Dragon	Dragonair	Gabite	Sligoo
Othesmo	0533-5350-5769		Gaius	Electric	Emolga	Electabuzz	Manectric
Partof1	4313-0044-7312	Magnus	Tom	Bug	Ledyba	Beautifly	Vivillon
Peelee	5370-1262-5440	Peelee	Peelee	Flying	Pidgey	Tranquill	Rufflet
Peelee'sWife	4339-2708-2563	Sephrenea	Sephrenea	Ice	Delibird	Sneasel	Lapras
Perkinz	1993-7396-5551		Armads	Fighting	Pancham	Mienfoo	Riolu
PingPongAlong	4914-4022-6171	Pierre	Jake	Psychic	Wobbuffet	Gothorita	Abra
ProphetRipley	3437-3875-9174	Artemis	Carebear	Water	Bibarel	Gyarados
Psychotic	2836-0282-0242	Jimmy	Jimmy	Steel	Forretress	Mawile	Klefki
Quietus	3067-5701-8746
Qwertystop	1805-2284-9978	Qwertystop	Qwerty	Dark	Mightyena	Crawdaunt	Absol
Rezkeshdadesh	0104-0343-1530	Gaston/Sylthia	Rezzy	Psychic	Espurr	Grumpig	Girafarig
RisingPhoenix	2492-5555-9928	Mortimer	Dimi	Psychic	Sigilyph	Abra	Xatu
RyuhoTsugu	3823-9797-6825	Periphas	εχθρός	Fire	Growlithe	Charmeleon	Fletchinder
SaintRidley	1650-2179-8114	AElfgif/DoñaXimena	ColbertJr	Ice	Beartic	Snover
Sajiri	0748-2783-1667	Sadi	Sajiri	Psychic	Abra	Espurr	Xatu
Sasaisen	2380-3648-0994	Trevor	Sasaisen	Grass	Pansage	Petilil	Maractus
ScowlingDragon	2148-8339-5834			Ground	Sandshrew	Marowak	Diggersby
Seerow	4184-2537-0787		Jack	Psychic	Grumpig	Gothorita	Sigilyph
Shinken	4442-0172-6654	Shinken		Flying	Pidgey	Hoothoot	Fletchinder
ShinyRocks	2294-4502-1203		Joelio	Ice	Snover	Beartic	Cloyster
SKarious	2449-5207-9736		Shai	Poison	Kakuna	Ariados	Drapion
spectralphoenix	1864-9713-0312		Alex	Normal	Teddiursa	Minccino	Smeargle
Svata	5215-0731-7054
Talvereaux	2406-5576-5996			Poison	Seviper	Ariados	Toxicroak
TamerBill	4828-4410-2451	Bex	Bill	Poison	Venomoth	Gloom
Terazul	3411-1167-8365	Pen	Pen	Water	Frogadier	Wartortle	Bibarel
TheSuccubus	4613-7683-1174		Doc
TheGeckoKing	4098-2424-2486	Martin	Martin	Psychic	Grumpig	Espurr
ThelazyMage	2938-7262-8516	Eric	Eric	Dark	Nuzleaf	Sandile	Absol
ThePhantom	2680-8881-4704		GR	Ghost	Shuppet	Pumpkaboo	Drifblim
Thormag	0619-3578-2378		Thormag	Grass	Oddish	Petilil	Quilladin
Togath	1650-2364-0504	Merry	Ken	Flying	Pidgey	Tranquill
Tono	1478-3812-1377		Tono	Bug	Butterfree	Heracross	Masquerain
truenekomancer	0619-4369-0275		TSK	Bug	Butterfree	Illumise
Tylorious	3668-7804-7430	Tylor	Tylor	Fire	Charmeleon	Magmar	Braixen
urbanwolf	4425-1730-5201		King	Fighting	Pancham	Mankey	Tyrogue
userpay	2036-6900-9795		userpay	Fairy	Togepi	Spritzee
Winterfate	1246-9091-8502		Winterfate	Ice	Snorunt	Bergmite	Cloyster
WJMill	3625-8308-8437	Whitney	Whitney	Fighting	Machoke	Throh	Breloom
Wookieetank	5386-8601-6140
YukiAkuma	1633-4400-9136	Yuki	Will	Ghost	Shuppet	Phantump
ZamielVanWeber	3067-5161-6274		Zamiel	Electric	Electabuzz	Pachirisu	Galvantula
ZeltArruin(Requestonly)	3840-5756-8123		ZeltArruin	Rock	Corsola	Dwebble	Rhydon

The Last Thread: Hoenn Confirmed!

Helpful Links/Hints For Adventuring Ten Year Olds

Bulbapedia
Smogon
Metalkid's IV Calculator
Serebii
Useful NPCs in XY (on Serebii)
Pokémon Online (for battles over the internets when you don't want to bother training things by hand)

Spoiler: Breeding For Dummies

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So, you're tired of navigating a Pokemon thread where everyone uses fancy words and stuff? Well no worries! Here's a guide on... BREEDING FOR DUMMIES!

One of the first things to remember in breeding is that there are Natures that help and ones that hinder. For instance, a Special Attacker such as Mewtwo would be hindered by an Adamant nature, but helped in his stat growth by a Modest nature. To improve your chances for getting a particular Nature in a child Pokémon, use at least one parent with the Nature you want, and give it the Everstone. In Gen IV, the Everstone doesn't guarantee the inherited Nature, though it does in Gen V and VI.

Brilliant Spreadsheet for Growth.

Some IVs (don't know what an IV is? Check the next spoiler box!) are randomly inherited from the parents. You can lock in a maximum of one IV by giving a parent the corresponding Power training item (Power Bracer for Attack, Power Lens for Special Attack, and so forth), or (starting with XY) randomly inherit 5 (instead of the normal 3) by holding the Destiny Knot. Use Flat Battles to determine the IVs of a hatched Pokémon, or if you only care about the highest IV and the sum of all of its IVs, you can take it to a guy who's in the lobby of either the Battle Tower or the Battle Subway in the DS games, depending on the generation, and in the Kiloude City Pokémon Center in XY. You're looking for them to judge it Relatively Superior overall and Can't Be Better in its best stat. The XY judge will also tell you about any really bad IVs the Pokémon has.

The third main thing with breeding is Egg Moves. Egg moves are moves the parent has, and passes down to a child. For instance, in my breeding of Chimchar, the egg moves are Grass Knot and Swords Dance, which are passed down to the child who gets said moves from the start. In order to pass on most Egg Moves, the father must know the move (Genderless Pokémon never learn Egg Moves). These include all of the moves that are listed as the child Pokémon's Egg Moves in a move list chart, as well as any compatible TMs or HMs. You can also pass on moves that the child would learn by level-up that aren't in those two lists--for these, both parents must know the move. In XY, some moves can be inherited from the mother...

The fourth and final thing to keep in mind are Hidden Abilities. Starting in Generation V, most Pokémon were assigned an additional ability that they could only get if you caught them under certain circumstances (the special Darmanitan in Desert Resort, or Pokémon found in hidden grottoes, the Dream World, or some in Friend Safaris). Some Hidden Abilities are highly sought-after, like Dragonite's Multiscale. If the mother has the Hidden Ability, the children will inherit it. The father can occasionally pass down the Hidden Ability if bred with a Ditto.

Dr. Strangemon or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Min-Max

Spoiler: Or, a Primer On How Stats Work

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Don't feel the need to bother with this stuff unless you're playing against humans or at one of those "Battle Whatever" places. You shouldn't need it for most of the game, and it can be kind of a pain.

First, the equations. These are how the game calculates the Pokémon's final stats.
HP = (IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 10
Others = ((IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 5) * Nature
So, at level 100, 1 IV or 4 EV raises a Pokémon's stat by 1 while a 1 point difference in Base stat is worth 2.

Nature
Most natures raise one stat and lower another, while some don't change any stats. A raised stat has a multiplier of 1.1 (or +10%), a lowered stat has a multiplier of 0.9 (or -10%), and a neutral stat has a multiplier of 1.0.

Base Stats (Base)
With a new generation just out, there's a lot of talk about finding out about a Pokémon's base stats. What are these, some of you ask? Well, they're modifiers to stats that a Pokémon gains just by being that kind of Pokémon. A (normal) Tyranitar has a base Attack of 135, a Mewtwo has 154 base Special Attack, and so on. When a Pokémon's stats change as it Mega Evolves or changes Form, it does so by changing the set of base stats it looks at. Otherwise, these base stats can't be changed (hence the "base"). At level 100, a Pokémon gets twice its Base stat to its final stats.

Individual Values (IV)
In addition to base stats, every Pokémon gets a bonus of 0-31 points applied to each stat. So a level 100 Tyranitar could have an attack stat of 273, or it could have a attack of 304. That bonus is the IV.
A Pokémon has its IVs generated the moment you meet it, or accept its egg, and there's no way to change them. You're stuck with what you've got. However, you can influence them a little, if you're willing to breed. Bred Pokémon don't randomly generate all their IVs, they inherit up to 3 from their parents. In XY, giving a parent the Destiny Knot causes them to inherit five random IVs instead. There's a few other ways of influencing IVs in bred Pokémon, which are explained in the breeding section.
In addition, in XY, some Pokémon are guaranteed to have some "perfect" (31) IVs. Pokémon found in the Friend Safari will have two random perfect IVs, while Pokémon that can't breed will have 3.

Effort Values (EV)
Every time you win a fight, your Pokémon get experience, but that's not all they get. Every Pokémon also gives out effort points. For every 4 effort points in a particular stat, your Pokémon gains 1 point in it. So if that Tyranitar from earlier with 304 attack had 4 attack EVs, his actual attack would be 305. If he had 252 attack EVs, it'd be 367. Sounds handy, but there are limits. You can't have more than 255 points in a single stat, and you can't have more than 510 EVs in total.

You'll see a lot of Pokémon with 252 attack/special attack EVs, 252 speed, and 4 HP, but there are a lot of ways to configure them. Defensive Pokémon will obviously focus on different things, Pokémon which use both physical and special attacks will need to split EVs between them or possibly sacrifice speed, and so on.

It's a tremendous pain to work out what EVs your Pokémon has (if you weren't keeping track, anyway), so you'll likely want to start with a Pokémon that you freshly hatched and work from there, though you don't have to. There are 6 berries that reduce EVs in a single stat each, so you can use those to reset your Pokémon and start from scratch. After that, just keep a careful record of what you fight, and only take down Pokémon that you know give you the EVs you want.

EV training takes a while, but there are a few ways you can speed it up. The first is an astonishingly rare status condition called Pokérus. Any Pokémon with Pokérus gets double EVs from fights, and will spread the Pokérus to any Pokémon in your party for the first 72 hours after it catches it. After those 72 hours it stops being contagious, but still gets double EVs. Pokérus has something like 1/20000 chance to appear on wild Pokemon, but with the magic of the internet I'm sure you can obtain it.

The second way to speed up EV training is through Power Items. If a Pokémon is holding the right item, they get bonus EVs from every fight. For example, a Pokémon holding a Power Lens will get 4 special attack EVs. A Pokémon holding a Power Anklet will get 4 speed EVs. A Pokémon holding a Macho Brace will just get double the EVs of whatever they're fighting. These bonuses are doubled if you have Pokérus.

The third way to speed up EVs is through vitamins. Each vitamin given to a Pokémon gives them +10 EVs in a certain stat, up to a limit of 100. 1 protein gives 10 attack EVs, 10 give 100. These unfortunately aren't doubled by Pokérus or items, so you'll have to pay for the full amount. Luckily money is easy to come by in these games.

Just as an example, I'll show how I EV'd my Gengar.
First, I gave him 10 calcium, and 10 carbos, so 100 special attack and 100 speed already.
After that, I gave him Pokérus and a lucky egg, got him to meet a Floatzel (2 speed EVs, doubled to 4 because of Pokérus), and then sent out my Weezing to explode on it so Gengar could get all the experience, for a higher level and 100 special attack, 104 speed.
After that, I gave him a Power Lens, flew over to the Old Chateau, and killed 15 Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 from the lens, doubled to 10 from Pokérus) for 150 special attack EVs, bringing my total to 250 special attack, 104 speed.
After that I equipped a power anklet and killed one more Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 speed from the anklet, doubled to 2 and 8 from Pokérus), meaning Gengar had 252 attack, and 112 speed.
Leaving the anklet equipped, I flew to Route 201, and killed 14 Starly (1 speed from Starly, 4 from the anklet, meaning 10 speed per starly thanks to Pokérus), for a total of 252 attack, 252 speed.
All that was left after that was to kill a Bidoof with a Power Weight (1 HP from Bidoof, 4 from the Weight, 10 thanks to Pokerus, although I only gained 6 points because I hit the EV cap), leaving my Gengar with 252 special attack EVs, 252 Speed, and 4 HP, just how I wanted him.
Roughly an hour's work, and one Pokemon down.

In XY, there's an additional method of EV training, which doesn't involve beating up wild Pokémon, but you instead play minigames (called Super Training) with the Pokémon. This lets you choose which stat you'll train, and awards you 4 EVs per difficulty level (so +4 for level 1, +12 for level 3). In addition, you may gain special training bags that can make further Super Training easier, reset your EVs entirely, or other effects. The training system also displays your earned EVs graphically (but not numerically), making it somewhat easier to keep track of a Pokémon's EVs.

tl;dr: The simplified version of EVs/IVs - EVs are gained by fighting other Pokémon. They vary by the Pokémon defeated. They increase your stats for every 4 gained. IVs are inherent to a Pokémon. They increase stats for every point possessed, and range from 0 to 31. EVs have to be manually tracked or else removed entirely with certain berries. IVs can be checked by knowing the EVs of a Pokémon and then plugging its stats into an IV calculator. The higher the Pokémon's level, the more accurate; level 100 wifi battles provide maximum accuracy.

Now, you might ask, "Mando Knight, how do you get those accented e's?" On a PC, change your keyboard layout to US-International, and press 'e. For some versions of Windows, if you don't want the US-International keyboard on all the time, you can also have it switch between different registered keyboards with a press of Ctrl+Shift. You can also copy-paste them from someone else's posts. Or the thread title.

[JustPlayItLoud]

New thread woohoo!

Mega Sandslash would be pretty neat, I'm not going to lie. There's a ton of people here who have gotten their Shiny Charm (myself included) who'd gladly help you with your National Dex.

Spoiler: Cosplay Pikachu is MegaChu!

Rez, JIPL, I should be either on or around my 3DS tonight, if we want to make those trades happen.

Hey, I kind of just noticed this. Work has been nutty, but I should be free a decent chunk of tomorrow to try and make that happen. My collection of Mega stones will be complete just in time for at least six new ones to show up.

[Kuulvheysoon]

New thread woohoo!



Hey, I kind of just noticed this. Work has been nutty, but I should be free a decent chunk of tomorrow to try and make that happen. My collection of Mega stones will be complete just in time for at least six new ones to show up.

Actually, I'm 'round right now (breeding up Modest/Naive/Quiet Shell Smash Clamperls) if you want them three now.

[Mando Knight]

Also, idea: Pokémon Techno. Have various beats and such keyed to different moves, then play a battle. Sandstorm would be a "dududududu" or something.

[JustPlayItLoud]

Actually, I'm 'round right now (breeding up Modest/Naive/Quiet Shell Smash Clamperls) if you want them three now.

I can fire it up now if you're on. You're resetting that file right? If so I'll just give you trade trash.

[Kuulvheysoon]

I can fire it up now if you're on. You're resetting that file right? If so I'll just give you trade trash.

Indeed. Coming online now- IGN is Emily.

[SaintRidley]

Since it's a new thread and all, my third in the Friend Safari is Piloswine, and the Prophet's is Frogadier.

[Sylthia]

Ah, new thread. Although the reference of the thread name is lost on me.

[Mando Knight]

Ah, new thread. Although the reference of the thread name is lost on me.

Clint Eastwood's character in A Fistful of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is a wandering mercenary known as "the man with no name."

[Qwertystop]

Hm. You know, dumb as Mega Slowbro works, one thing makes it seem less stupid:
Imagine Mega Slowking. Just a giant crown with two little feet sticking out the bottom...

[AtlanteanTroll]

Clint Eastwood's character in A Fistful of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is a wandering mercenary known as "the man with no name."

... But this isn't the Clint Eastwood thread.

Hm. You know, dumb as Mega Slowbro works, one thing makes it seem less stupid:
Imagine Mega Slowking. Just a giant crown with two little feet sticking out the bottom...

Blur. I really want greater symmetry in who gets Megas, though I doubt we'll see that no. (Where's my Mega Blastoise and Venusaur X?) Still, they kind of did it with Mega Sableye as a compliment to Mega Mawhile. Perhaps we will see such an absurd looking Mega Slowking in the future...

[OracleofWuffing]

Maybe Mega Slowbro will get access to Rapid Spin?

[Aotrs Commander]

Anybody managed to have quick squiz to see if they found out what my third freind safari Pokemon is yet, by any chance?

[JustPlayItLoud]

Anybody managed to have quick squiz to see if they found out what my third freind safari Pokemon is yet, by any chance?

If we add each other I can check right now. I'm just gold farming on a new Skyrim file.

[Sylthia]

Sorry to Arcran who was challenging me. I was feeding my son.

[Quietus]

Anybody managed to have quick squiz to see if they found out what my third freind safari Pokemon is yet, by any chance?

If you add my friend code and let me know what your IGN is, I'll take a look for you.

[Aotrs Commander]

If we add each other I can check right now. I'm just gold farming on a new Skyrim file.

If you add my friend code and let me know what your IGN is, I'll take a look for you.

Sorry chaps, got distracted... It has been a bad couple of days (in the sense of about as bad as it gets).

I'll try and add you both a bit later today. (My friend code is in the OP, for reference.)

Quietus: IGN?

[Sylthia]

Sorry chaps, got distracted... It has been a bad couple of days (in the sense of about as bad as it gets).

I'll try and add you both a bit later today. (My friend code is in the OP, for reference.)

Quietus: IGN?

In game name

[Quietus]

Sorry chaps, got distracted... It has been a bad couple of days (in the sense of about as bad as it gets).

I'll try and add you both a bit later today. (My friend code is in the OP, for reference.)

Quietus: IGN?

No worries, we get it. Take time for yourself when needed, pokemon is not that important. - WHAT? RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

I hope everything swings upward for you soon! ANd IGN, as noted, is in-game name; that is, the name that I'll see on the safari for you.

[Tanuki Tales]

Huzzah!

I just got my second shiny Vanillite!

[Aotrs Commander]

No worries, we get it. Take time for yourself when needed, pokemon is not that important. - WHAT? RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

I hope everything swings upward for you soon!

Well, once the worst has happened, you can at least move on to start picking up the pieces. Long story short, my grandfather died late Tuesday night. It wasn't really unexpected, we knew it was just a matter of time (though we'd all expected days rather than hours since Mum had last seen him), but it still hits as hard. But - in some ways... the uncertainly is over. The dreaded call finally came, and now we can move on. And grim though it is, it does alleviate some of the stress for us all in making all the extra visits to see him and taking Nanny to see him (which my Mum - who is disabled herself - found very draining. Necessary, of course, and without complaint, but even so, it has been a hard few months since Nanny has had a rough spot herself, though she's got back to pretty good (as far as it goes).

And he had is faculties at the end, wasn't alone (even if he'd passed by the time we got ther,e the nurses were with him and somehow I think he'd prefer it that way; he never did like a fuss being made over him) and he'd spent his last day looking at photos of all the family and knew he was well-loved and we were all safe.

So we take what comfort we can from that.

Okay, that was... not all that short in the end but I do tend to go on a bit at times like this...

Aaaanyway, back on topic.

ANd IGN, as noted, is in-game name; that is, the name that I'll see on the safari for you.

Both are in the OP (but name is Bleakbane for reference). Added both you and JustPlayItLoud.



I also had another stab at the Great Charmander Breeding Project and I appear to have got at least a couple of female Solar Power Charmanders - literally my next job is going to go check their IVs and see how good they are before I can start back on the next round.

[AtlanteanTroll]

So evidently I am a massive idiot. Can someone tell me when Smogon got rid of the Item Clause?

[Jon D]

One of these days, I need to learn how to breed decent pokemon...

[ZeltArruin]

So evidently I am a massive idiot. Can someone tell me when Smogon got rid of the Item Clause?

They never used it? As far as I know it hasn't been used since DPP (the first time I looked into competative stuff), but probably was never used, because it's dumb. Typically it's listed as "No Item-Clause", which can cause a bit of confusion.

One of these days, I need to learn how to breed decent pokemon...

There are tons of guides, just google it.

[AtlanteanTroll]

They never used it? As far as I know it hasn't been used since DPP (the first time I looked into competative stuff), but probably was never used, because it's dumb. Typically it's listed as "No Item-Clause", which can cause a bit of confusion.

How is it dumb? It's one of the actual rules of the (actual meta) game. If you're not going to use Item Clause, why use Species Clause?

[Qwertystop]

How is it dumb? It's one of the actual rules of the (actual meta) game. If you're not going to use Item Clause, why use Species Clause?

The standard argument is, I think, that it prevents teams from having more than one or two mons with the same role, since there's usually only one good item for any given thing. The biggest group hit is defensive teams, since you only get one Leftovers (and maybe a Black Sludge if you've got a Poison-type tank or wall). Offensive teams are still possible since you've got three different Choice items plus Focus Sash.

I could be wrong, of course - I never really got the reasoning.

[ZeltArruin]

How is it dumb? It's one of the actual rules of the (actual meta) game. If you're not going to use Item Clause, why use Species Clause?

Species clause has nothing to do with Item Clause, that's a false equivalency. As for Item Clause, the 'actual game' has little impact upon Smogon, but I don't know past games well enough to speak for them. To me it's an unnecessary addition, if not entirely pointless.

[Xondoure]

You can absolutely have defensive teams with one leftovers. It does demand certain pokemon (Gliscor) to work well though.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Species clause has nothing to do with Item Clause, that's a false equivalency. As for Item Clause, the 'actual game' has little impact upon Smogon, but I don't know past games well enough to speak for them. To me it's an unnecessary addition, if not entirely pointless.

I am not saying they're equivalent, I am saying that they're comparable that they're both the standard in the official game format, and that if you're going to import one of the clauses, you may as damn well do the other.

You can absolutely have defensive teams with one leftovers. It does demand certain pokemon (Gliscor) to work well though.

You absolutely had to up until the Gen V Smogon meta, and presumably you always will have to for the in game meta. For as many changes as Smogon makes, removing rules standard to the VGC play style is dumb.

[Mando Knight]

You absolutely had to up until the Gen V Smogon meta, and presumably you always will have to for the in game meta. For as many changes as Smogon makes, removing rules standard to the VGC play style is dumb.

They literally don't care about the VGC play style when determining their own meta.