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2014-09-24, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-24, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
If Durkon never said "Thor's Nuts", then it's a fabricated memory. However, if you believe that Durkon cannot make up a memory, then he said "Thor's Nuts" at one point in his life - which makes it a proper exclaimation.
Also, don't forget that the HPoH can pull Durkon's memories himself.
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2014-09-24, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
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2014-09-24, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-24, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
I agree with Porthos.
I would much rather believe that Durkon is doing something, anything, to try to repair this situation instead of just stubbornly attempting to outlast his eventual doom. He is a main character, after all.
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2014-09-24, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
I would also like to believe that Durkon is attempting to do things. However, any speculation that involves Durkon doing things we know he cannot do is not likely to bear any fruit. It remains to be seen if Durkon can manipulate the spirit through their conversations, but if he were able to create falsehoods in the memories, he could have done something incredibly simple like change Roy's name to Ralph, or imply that Belkar is an incredibly nice person. Or that he doesn't speak with an accent.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-24, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
We do know, however, that if the vampire asks for memories that don't exist, he'll get a 404 not found. There might be something to that.
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2014-09-24, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
It is now my headcanon that what prompted the memory that started the current book was the High Priest of Hel saying to Durkon, "Considering what you've been telling me both Hel and I should do to ourselves since you got chained up there, I see you're a very foul-mouthed dwarf indeed. So what exact cursewords would you use in the 'the airship you're on just got struck by lightning' situation?"
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2014-09-24, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
One point of showing the reader these repeated conversations may be to eventually clue us/Durkon into something he can do.
Right now, however, there doesn't seem to be much. He can't outright resist the High Priest - he was fighting every step of the way originally, and the High Priest learned what he wanted to anyway. Then Durkon tried information overload, and that didn't work either.
The High Priest has also indicated that he's absorbing Durkon's memories. He's not going to ask Durkon for the same thing another time because he doesn't need to. Once he sees a memory, it's his.
But he does curse.
No reason to think those aren't generic dwarven curses, either, given how prominent Thor seems to be to the dwarves in this universe.
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2014-09-24, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-24, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
I seriously don't know what you're trying to argue for here, since it's established that Durkon does curse (and, according to Kish, is in fact the most foul-mouthed member of the order). I mean, yes, academically, if Durkon didnt curse, then using a generic curse would indicate that he isn't Durkon. You're correct on that; if things were different, they wouldn't be the same. But so what? Why bother saying that, since it's demonstrably not the case?
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2014-09-26, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
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2014-09-26, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
Anyone read the Ed Greenwood book "Elminister in Hell"? A devil is trying to get secrets out of the strongest mage in the Realms (Elminister), and is delayed by indirect memories. Taking things by force is inefficient, because things become jumbled and out of context. I think that situation is similar to what Durkon is going through in this arc.
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2014-09-26, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
What if it's not just that Durkon learned somethin' about HPoH, but that he learned somethin' about himself? He never really realized how much he internalized instructions like the one his mom gave him?
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2014-09-27, 01:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
He's also discovered that he can minimize what should be "key Durkon Personality Traits" by a) overindulging in sappy childhood memories and b) making dumb jokes since the Possessing Spirit is way overconfident.
I guess the Possessing Spirit isn't smarter than Durkon.EvilEeyore AntiSocialite
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2014-09-28, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
You quoted my argument. But, I'll repeat it again.
The HPoP needed something to say so that he can imitate Durkon. He needs to convince the OotS that he's the same Durkon they knew, not some random dwarf. He wasn't looking for a generic Dwarven curse, he was looking for something that'll Durkon would say. So, the idea that Durkon used that memory to mislead the HPoP holds no water. This is especially true since strip #963 shows that Durkon just figured out that he might able to pull that trick with the HPoP.
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2014-09-28, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-28, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-28, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2014-09-28, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
Well, how are you defining dumber? The HPoH has never been a mortal and is operating entirely out of his level of understanding. Heck, based on his lack of understanding of memories, it might be safe to say he is literally a newborn entity. He doesn't have any sort of experience to draw on when referencing things like how memories work, because hes never developed any of his own to understand.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-29, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
So, according to some people here, Durkon coming up with a swear he never said in comic before is proof that he's no longer Durkon ? does that mean that he's been Not-Durkon since pretty much the start of the comic ?
Regarding Durkon misleading Durkula, I doubt it considering the lattest strip (963) showed him realising that Durkula wasn't able to link two distant memories with one explaining the other. This kind of imply that so far, Durkon just assumed that Durkula was understanding the memories just as he does. But misleading him using his memories would require just that.
So I doubt he did so far, but now that he noticed that inability in Durkula, I think Durkon might be a bit more selective in which memory to show the vampire. Guess we'll see.
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2014-09-29, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2014-09-29, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
I don't think lack of experience equates to low Wisdom, at least not in D&D terms. When all else is said and done, the HPoH is a cleric, and a cleric with low Wisdom just doesn't work--not to mention that adding the vampire template to a creature gives +2 Wisdom, so HPoH actually has a higher score on that front than Durkon does.
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2014-09-29, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
Disagree. He's not dumb. He's a HPOH. Living for him is simply data-points along a path. He's trying to imitate Durkon - understanding Durkon isn't important to him, and I'd bet a dollar to a halfling-cooked donut that he's never even conceived of understanding or empathizing with his prey being a thing, let alone a potentially important thing.
He's not living, so he doesn't grow. He's, in fact, the embodiment of not growing or learning, as I put it on the main thread for this, "valuable life lessons." Probably part of why nobody worships Hel. Because what she represents is awful. And Durkon's figuring out that there's a lot of liability baked into that cake.
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2014-09-29, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-29, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-29, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
"Wisdom describes a character’s willpower, common sense, perception, and intuition. While Intelligence represents one’s ability to analyze information, Wisdom represents being in tune with and aware of one’s surroundings."
There's no information about willpower, but "common sense, perception, and intuition" are all quite demonstrably not only "not exceptional", they are "abnormally lacking" here. Case in point: he's just flunked a Sense Motive check where he was not only shown the source material up front, but also was out-bluffed by a cleric with a Cha penalty.
As for "being in tune with and aware of one's surroundings" - his "surroundings", currently, is Durkon's life and personality, which he's trying to emulate. His success in that is nothing to do with his own attribute, and everything to do with having Durkon to do his thinking for him.
So I theorise that "the gestalt entity that is (HPoH plus Durkon)" may have an effectively high wisdom, but the HPoH by itself - does not."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2014-09-29, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
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2014-09-30, 02:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.
I am taking the flashbacks more as character development rather than a trick on the vampire (although hey, none of us really know for sure!) - after all we have met family members of all the other party members (except Belkar) and the other characters have had their own subplots and individual missions (once again except Belkar). I think this is some clever development of Durkon's character being worked into the story line to possibly make it even more tragic when he is unable to be restored to a non-vampire state, or maybe to have an interesting family reunion - after all, who best to work out that the vampire spirit is not Durkon than his family?
Last edited by Pegasus; 2014-09-30 at 02:17 AM.
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2014-09-30, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Durkon is misleading the Vampire Spirit.