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2021-01-19, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Hello All,
What is the thinking on whether Belkar will die and become a sexy shoeless (and literal) god of war, i.e. become a god and progress the plot in that way, perhaps through voting in a second godsmoot?
(My question is partially inspired by his sexy shoelessness being more than a memorable throwaway line - see its use at and up to comic 610.)
I have made an account to ask this question, so apologies if there is already a thread on it! If there is I would really appreciate a link.
Many thanks!
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2021-01-19, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
I'd bet against him being relevant to the Godsmoot. The tie vote at the Godsmoot seems like a plot point for the events of Utterly Dwarfed but not relevant to the comic as a whole or the last book in particular.
Start of Darkness talks a bit about the Dark One's ascension to godhood, and it looks like you need a lot of mortals believing in you and dedicated to your cause. Belkar isn't really a leader or influential beyond "you're afraid of me if you're within reach of my daggers" so that would be a hard barrier to surmount.
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2021-01-19, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
The main flaw with this argument is that Belkar is just not all that impressive a warrior. Sure, he can kick the asses of a bunch of low-level mooks, but Roy is able to pretty easily defeat him when they clash. He certainly doesn't seem to have the level of martial skill that would earn divinity.
Even if he is enough of a badass to become some sort of war god, though, badassery probably isn't enough for apotheosis. the only instance of divine ascension that we know the details of is the Dark One's and he didn't do it on his own - it was the efforts of a huge army of goblinoids rampaging around the world slaughtering in his name for over a year that actually turned him into a god. It seems that being worshiped is essential to becoming a god, and there's no one who worships Belkar.I made a webcomic, featuring absurdity, terrible art, and alleged morals.
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2021-01-19, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Let's assume, for the moment, that Belkar did become a deity.
Even if he could vote in the Godsmoot, they'd still need to wait on Dvalin, who is going to cast the deciding vote in favor of the world going on anyway, so Belkar would either have no effect if he voted against destruction or would tie it yet again if he voted for destruction. Belkar would also presumably be in the Northern pantheon, and this completely useless as far as patching the rifts, since they would still need The Dark One, who doesn't know Belkar from a hole in the ground. Finally, Belkar could do nothing about Xykon, being restricted by all the "dumb God rules" against direct action on the Material Plane.
So, if Belkar somehow became a god, it would have zero impact on the story.
Belkar is not going to become a god.Last edited by Peelee; 2021-01-19 at 06:53 PM.
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2021-01-20, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-20, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-24, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Since the prophecy states that he has to stop drawing breath, godhood could be a cool way to opt out(that or a druid reincarnates him as a sea creature). A future purple quiddity pantheon with the DO, Belkar, Giggles and Banjo could continue the spot welding of the rifts if the world doesn't end.
I wouldn't mind that as an epilogue, but yeah it is highly unlikely that it becomes a plot point.
To even out that purple pantheon though, the DO is LE, Banjo is probably Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Good, Giggles is Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil or True Neutral? So, it would be interesting if Belkar could become a Neutral Good or Lawful Good god of repentance or redemption (sorry Miko! Ha hah).
It could be. If old age and/or apotheosis award the equivalent of +4 points of wisdom.
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2021-01-26, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2021-01-26, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
The prophecy also implies he won't get to enjoy cake after his next birthday, and I don't see why gods wouldn't get to enjoy birthday cakes.
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2021-01-26, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-26, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-01-26, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, don't gods eat ambrosia?
I don't understand ambrosia(def 2) as cake, but with as much Iron Chef and Chopped as I've watched over the years, perhaps it can be made into one.
On the other hand:
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2021-01-27, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-01, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
I can see Belkar becoming a vampire and not changing whatsoever. His meeting with the vampire spirit would be more like: "sup!" and the only true tragedy for him would be he not being able to eat normal food anymore.
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2021-03-01, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
That's not how vampires work in OotS. Belkar would end up chained inside of his own mind, watching a vampiric spirit use his body to have the kind of fun Belkar would like to enjoy, but would not get to because he'd be trapped inside his own body, with no control. That is not something Belkar would enjoy.
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2021-03-01, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-02, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Other than the dreaded "the gate was destroyed" repeat ...
Elan, Miko, and Roy all destroyed gates.
Spoiler: SoD momentSo did Redcloak, but he's not in the Order, and neither was Miko for that matter.
Did anyone other than me notice that the only person who has been nearby when all four gates blew up was Redcloak?Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2021-03-02 at 04:49 PM.
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2021-03-02, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-03, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Start of DarknessWhy doesn't Xykon also qualify? True, he wasn't in the immediate vicinity of Lirian's gate when it was destroyed, but then Redcloak wasn't in the immediate vicinity of Dorukan's Gate when it was destroyed. I don't see why one would count as nearby and the other wouldn't.I made a webcomic, featuring absurdity, terrible art, and alleged morals.
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2021-03-03, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Spoiler: SODI believe that was actually the treants - they were trying to avoid a fire he started but he didn't actually destroy the gate himself.
It would be like if someone lights your house on fire and you break down your door to escape - they might be responsible but you still broke your door, except in this case your door is one of the corner stones protecting reality, frankly Lirian was likely being a bit of a jerk when she superglued (or whatever) the treants to the gate.
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2021-03-03, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar/ the Oracle's prophecy/ sexy shoeless god of war
Yes, they are as fast as your average human.
They generally don't move that much but that is a choice not a restriction.
Spoiler: SOD
Lirian likely attached them to the gate as a safeguard to ensure they would break it (they are good at damaging objects), but it still seems like a bit of dubious behaviour to me - particularly when she could have attached it to normal trees and merely had a free Treant on standby to animate the trees if needed to destroy the gate.
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Countdown to Belkar's death and my follow-up count gives us less then 3 weeks left. Poor Belkar.
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2021-03-03, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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What the ****, Lirian? You had an army, you could just have had people stand guard next to it.
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