OOTS #973 - The Discussion Thread

[Angelalex242]

If only Haley had used a fire or ice wand. That would've slowed the golem. Sadly, magic missile does jack.

[Tvtyrant]

The Order of the Stick should get an endorsement deal!

"I don't always run away, but when I do I use boots." Belkar would be left out of course.

[Bulldog Psion]

Well.

I certainly know that feeling of being let down by the dice at a critical moment.

Me too -- though that only makes those moments of "unexpected natural 20" all the sweeter.

[Anarion]

Amusing. I'm hoping this means we're leading up into a team fight. I want to see full on party combat with the new art style.

[Maralais]

That's a Checkov's Arrow if I ever saw one.

[MReav]

Now I'm curious. Is OOTS Starmetal similar to DND starmetal? Because that would mean that Roy's sword would count as Adamantine for the purposes of overcoming DR.

Which would also make Haley's choice to use them against Sabine another sub-optimal choice since it doesn't bypass a demon's DR (I assumed that Roy was able to hurt Sabine because he was dealing a crudload of base damage even assuming he wasn't using Power Attack, as opposed to just punching through her DR like it wasn't there).

Oh well, it's not like Haley has a lot of ranks in Knowledge (The Planes).

[Elrondel]

Spell Resistance needs a joke count.

[Catticus]

If only one of those wands was a Rod of Construct Control. Any chance D&D has an analog to the 7th level Control Construct Pathfinder spell and that V just happens to have it prepared or otherwise available? If not, I counsel following Plan A right to Roy and Durkula (because Hel's Might Durkula vs. Flesh Golem Crystal would be awesome). Of course, if those steampunk techno-gnome cops want to show up ...

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Now I'm curious. Is OOTS Starmetal similar to DND starmetal? Because that would mean that Roy's sword would count as Adamantine for the purposes of overcoming DR.

Which would also make Haley's choice to use them against Sabine another sub-optimal choice since it doesn't bypass a demon's DR (I assumed that Roy was able to hurt Sabine because he was dealing a crudload of base damage even assuming he wasn't using Power Attack, as opposed to just punching through her DR like it wasn't there).

Oh well, it's not like Haley has a lot of ranks in Knowledge (The Planes).

I don't think they are similar. At the very least, Starmetal in OOTS grants abilities that D&D Starmetal does nit.

I'm guessing that Haley was using adamantine because of it's bonus to damage and attack.

[137beth]

An excellent callback to OOTS' plan A
Although in this case they only have to run until they find Roy and/or Belkar.

[rafet]

The Order of the Stick should get an endorsement deal!

"I don't always run away, but when I do I use boots." Belkar would be left out of course.

Luckily Belkar isn't known for running away, but more of standing atop a thousand dead goblins

[Keltest]

Luckily Belkar isn't known for running away, but more of standing atop a thousand dead goblins

Belkar gets carried.

[Skull the Troll]

Should we agree that Haley used Magic Missile, or do we want to argue about it?

Need you ask? We have to wait the traditional 8 pages however before the discussion goes truly off the rails.

[Skull the Troll]

It's a Magic Missile.



Psssst! Sometimes, characters take suboptimal actions in the comic for the express purpose of showing less D&D-familiar readers that a certain tactic is useless, to avoid constant comments like, "Haley is so dumb, why doesn't she use the wands she just bought on it?"

Killjoy...

[Shining Wrath]

"Barely hurting her" = damage resistance not immunity.

Haley missing with 3 arrows because a golem ducked?

SAY WHAT?

Golems are not usually known for their dexterity bonus.

[eusticepious]

Well.

I certainly know that feeling of being let down by the dice at a critical moment.

I see a Bandana-led (or involved) mutiny being more the flavor of the day and reason for Hayley's failures.

[Shining Wrath]

BTW, I'm calling that wand "Lesser Orb of Acid", caster level 5.

[NerdyKris]

BTW, I'm calling that wand "Lesser Orb of Acid", caster level 5.

Rich already stated on the first page that it's Magic Missle.

That's a Checkov's Arrow if I ever saw one.

I think that was just to show that she can't retrieve the arrows and try again.

[littlebum2002]

That's a Checkov's Arrow if I ever saw one.

How are arrows landing in water Checkov's Arrows? I'm dying to know.

Luckily Belkar isn't known for running away, but more of standing atop a thousand dead goblins

I think he was referring to the running gag in the strip (referenced in this comic, incidentally) where the Order always seems to have to run away from battles.

[Keltest]

I think that was just to show that she can't retrieve the arrows and try again.

I assumed it was so we didn't wonder if they went and hit anything else. Presumably there is nothing stopping Crystal from dodging until Haley dies of old age, barring outside interference.

[Chadamantium]

Well there goes a fortune of arrows down the drain. Also what wand was Haley using?

edit: scratch that. I just read through the comments.

[Keltest]

You know, Haley seems surprisingly calm about all of this. I mean, ignoring the whole "Revenant-Golem" thing, she's got almost no chance in combat right now.

[NerdyKris]

You know, Haley seems surprisingly calm about all of this. I mean, ignoring the whole "Revenant-Golem" thing, she's got almost no chance in combat right now.

It's not like she's alone. The Order are in the vicinity, she just has to find them. She's not so much "running away" as "running towards the melee fighters until she finds them". And they'll probably notice the commotion and start moving towards the location anyways.

[ti'esar]

Rich already stated on the first page that it's Magic Missle.

Though they do look sort of acidic. That would be my first guess if the Giant hadn't said something.

[eusticepious]

[QUOTE=littlebum2002;18699507]How are arrows landing in water Checkov's Arrows? I'm dying to know.


I think she means that those arrows will be needed but not available against another foe, like Qaar.

[oppyu]

It's not like she's alone. The Order are in the vicinity, she just has to find them. She's not so much "running away" as "running towards the melee fighters until she finds them". And they'll probably notice the commotion and start moving towards the location anyways.

They're not running away, they're charging in another direction!

[NerdyKris]

How are arrows landing in water Checkov's Arrows? I'm dying to know.

I think she means that those arrows will be needed but not available against another foe, like Qaar.

Good point. I assumed they meant the arrows hit something in the water. It's definitely likely that the fact they were Adamantine arrows and she was saving them to use against Sabine is going to come up, given how she pointed it out.

[Bitzer]

Does anyone reading this actually REMEMBER Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner, or am I totally showing my age?


Respectfully,

Brian P.

Ooh, ooh! I do! I do!

[Emperordaniel]

Seems like speaking is still a free action.

[Porthos]

Yay for the return of "Plan B".