Bleach X: Deicide (this time for real)

[LaZodiac]

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I'm honestly not sure what Orihime and Chad were talking about when Nel showed up were they implying Hat and Clogs is a loli?

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A lady which huge tits jumped onto Ichigo. Orohime likes Ichigo. The end.

This chapter was alright. Grimmjow is back yay. The Fullbringers are back, DIE.

[Infernally Clay]

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I'm honestly not sure what Orihime and Chad were talking about when Nel showed up were they implying Hat and Clogs is a loli?

Huh?

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The joke was that Urahara created a device that keeps Nel in her adult form because he's a pervert.

[Spacewolf]

Huh?

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The joke was that Urahara created a device that keeps Nel in her adult form because he's a pervert.

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Right I did think that it was either that or the Loli one but considering how put out Hime looked and since it came back right after the return to child form line I went with the more questionable answer.

[ben-zayb]

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I would've preferred Urahara doing his plotmancy with Shishigawara instead of Yukio...I guess Riruka's okay, and at least more interesting than Yukio or butler dude.

For a second I was hoping to see another badass espada, but it's the girl with saliva-inducing throat-****. As if Yoruichi and Orihime are not enough fanservice already.

[Spacewolf]

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Eh I would have preferred Starrk to Grimjow at least, Nel is basically a requirement since she started this whole mess off.

[danzibr]

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I'm honestly not sure what Orihime and Chad were talking about when Nel showed up were they implying Hat and Clogs is a loli?

I think implying he's a perv, that he prefers her in that form. Same thing regarding Orihime's outfit.

[LordRahl6]

My one question about this week's chapter is where's the rest of Xecution group? Isn't it more power the better, and aren't they hanging around the Shiba residence in the Rukongai?

[Rater202]

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Jackie lost her powers, Tsukishima, Ginjo, and watch man are dead, and Gullbring goes away when you die so they're basically just ordenary souls now.

Even if the Fullbring effects being undone with the bringer's death didn't mean they lost power, those three all died to Zanpakuto, meaning their souls would have been cleansed, so no hollow powers. And since Fullbring is hollow powers...

At most, Ginjo might be a shinigami, but without an Asauchi to bond with he can't channel his powers.

And jackpot knuckle man is incredibly underpowered in this circumstance-really all of the bringers are, but Riruka and PSPboy have powers that are useful in Noncombat situations-They're here for Support.

[HandofShadows]

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Eh I would have preferred Starrk to Grimjow at least, Nel is basically a requirement since she started this whole mess off.

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Naw, everything would have happened anyway. In fact Nel involving Ichigo probably helped quite a bit rather than hurt. I like Nel, she's is a nice person (despite acting childish and the fanservice) and likely has an fairly important part to play. She is a very powerful opponent and a smart one was well. She has the added advantage of knowing two Vice Captains so there should be little if any friction with the SS people. I have a feeling the armband Hat & Clogs gave her does little more than prevent her power from leaking out from her old injury.

[Spacewolf]

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Naw, everything would have happened anyway. In fact Nel involving Ichigo probably helped quite a bit rather than hurt. I like Nel, she's is a nice person (despite acting childish and the fanservice) and likely has an fairly important part to play. She is a very powerful opponent and a smart one was well. She has the added advantage of knowing two Vice Captains so there should be little if any friction with the SS people. I have a feeling the armband Hat & Clogs gave her does little more than prevent her power from leaking out from her old injury.

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I meant that since she was the one who sent of Ichigo to HM it would be weird if they had had another Arrancar show up and not had her there as well since she's obviously active.

[LaZodiac]

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Jackie lost her powers, Tsukishima, Ginjo, and watch man are dead, and Gullbring goes away when you die so they're basically just ordenary souls now.

Even if the Fullbring effects being undone with the bringer's death didn't mean they lost power, those three all died to Zanpakuto, meaning their souls would have been cleansed, so no hollow powers. And since Fullbring is hollow powers...

At most, Ginjo might be a shinigami, but without an Asauchi to bond with he can't channel his powers.

And jackpot knuckle man is incredibly underpowered in this circumstance-really all of the bringers are, but Riruka and PSPboy have powers that are useful in Noncombat situations-They're here for Support.

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We don't have evidence that Fullbring dies when you die. The dead Fullbringers WHERE helping Ganju beat up Quincies but then they just kinda didn't show up when Ganju did for somereason.

[Rater202]

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Reread the fullbringer arc: At the very end, when the final fights are going ion, Ginjo says that when a fullbringer dies, every active instance of their fullbring is reversed-specifically mentioned that all of Tsukishima's alterations to personal histories would revert when he died.

That's positive evidence that fullbring dies when the Fullbringer does.

If not, the fact that Fullbring is hollo powers and the Fullbringers were all killed by Zanpakuto...

Also, we never saw the dead Fullbringers fighting Quincy. We only saw them on Shiba property.

[LaZodiac]

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Reread the fullbringer arc: At the very end, when the final fights are going ion, Ginjo says that when a fullbringer dies, every active instance of their fullbring is reversed-specifically mentioned that all of Tsukishima's alterations to personal histories would revert when he died.

That's positive evidence that fullbring dies when the Fullbringer does.

If not, the fact that Fullbring is hollo powers and the Fullbringers were all killed by Zanpakuto...

Also, we never saw the dead Fullbringers fighting Quincy. We only saw them on Shiba property.

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I'd argue that's just a sign of "they died so their power stopped working". In the Soul Society they are "alive" for lack of a better term. But you have a point.

As you do with the Hollow thing, though if it's true why would they get Tsukishime to help? He's literally just a regular dude without his powers.

Well yeah but Ganju and them where gonna go bust some heads, was the idea.

[Rater202]

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Tsukishime is a normal Dude who knows how to use a sword and has/had some kind of spiritual power.

Even if losing fullbring, if it did happen, cost him all of reiatsu, he still knows how to sword.

In a state of total war, knowing how to sword is a useful skill to have. At bare minimum he could serve as food for the cannons, so to speak.

If losing his fullbring only cost him his abilities but not his spiritual enery, then he has experience using energy and is thus a prime candidate for becoming a shinigami.

[Calemyr]

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Didn't Tsukishima die of his injuries after the battle? If the zanpakto doesn't land a killing blow, not just a mortal one, can it purify the soul? If he isn't purified, then is it possible he brought his abilities with him?

[LaZodiac]

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Didn't Tsukishima die of his injuries after the battle? If the zanpakto doesn't land a killing blow, not just a mortal one, can it purify the soul? If he isn't purified, then is it possible he brought his abilities with him?

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This is a good point. Hooray for Bookmark!

[TechnoWarforged]

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Eh I would have preferred Starrk to Grimjow at least, Nel is basically a requirement since she started this whole mess off.

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Actually I'll rather have Ulquiorra come back. Considering Ichigo defeated him only in his berserk hollow form it'll make for interesting interaction...

[Infernally Clay]

I really wouldn't expect Ginjou or Tsukishima to show up any time soon. I don't really know if you keep your Fullbring after death, mostly because that'd imply there are a lot more Fullbringers in Rukongai and the ranks of the Shinigami than we thought. If all it takes to become a Fullbringer is for your mother to get attacked by a Hollow while she's pregnant with you, surely a lot of Shinigami would qualify?

[Rater202]

They were compared quite explicitly to Substitute Shinigami

Fullbringers are humans with Hollow Powers, Substitutes are Humans with Shinigami powers.

Presumably it's a funtion of the malleability of living human souls that allows for fullbringers to be created.

Even if they don't lose power after Death, already dead souls probably can't be born as fullbringers.

[Mato]

Reread the fullbringer arc:

Reread Tite's love to recon Chad's power source is the same thing we're discussing now :p

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Tsukishima's Book of the End


Tsukishima still holding the Book of the End while dead.

The phasing used was all traces of their ability vanishes from the world. Easily requantified to mean "from Earth" without nearly as bad of a change as we've seen Tite do out of boredom.

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But I wouldn't be surprise if things did change, Tsukishimi is using a Urahara invention that unleashes latent detergent powers allowing him to wipe away his enemy's past, the background, and speech bubbles.
And now you know why it's called 'Bleach'.

[Rater202]

There's not enough detail to prove it's the same sword.

And Chad's powers being fullbring isn't a retcon, it's perfectly consistent with everything that's been said about where his powers came from and have been told about them. We've been over this.

[Mato]

There's not enough detail to prove it's the same sword.

First reaction to everything, "That's not proof!" lol. Hey guess what, saying it wasn't a retcon doesn't prove it wasn't.

Bleach is full of retcons, don't believe me if you like I could care less. I'm waiting for the day Orihime is confirmed to be part of one of the SK's recently sliced off arms.

[LaZodiac]

First reaction to everything, "That's not proof!" lol. Hey guess what, saying it wasn't a retcon doesn't prove it wasn't.

Bleach is full of retcons, don't believe me if you like I could care less. I'm waiting for the day Orihime is confirmed to be part of one of the SK's recently sliced off arms.

There was an implication Orihime and Chad got an upgrade/power boost that was Quincy based from Hat and clogs, so them suddenly being vessels for Soul King parts would fit the timing. Of course Chad wouldn't be an arm, though, that'd be silly. He's got the arms of a devil and angel, so his LEGS would be the god leg.

[Rater202]

First reaction to everything, "That's not proof!" lol.

Because it's not. In this particular case, the provided picture shows Tsukishima holding a katana. It might be Book of the End, but the picture is insufficiently detailed to prove that ti's book of the end.

I'll note that you're being condescending and insulting again, Mr. Demands Citations and moves goal posts but refuses to provide citations of his own unless they have jack squat to do with the topic at hand.

Hey guess what, saying it wasn't a retcon doesn't prove it wasn't.

I don't think you understand what a retcon is. Let me explain: Retcon stands for "retroactive continuity" It is a case of the author altering the canon after the fact, and thus changing the context of earlier works. Bulma Briefs having graduated university before going out and looking for the dragonballs as depicted in Galactic Patrolman Jaco despite being shown as a highschool student in the Red Ribbon Army Saga in early Dragonball is a retcon.

Luke and Leia Skywalker being siblings after two movies of sexual tension and a passionate kiss is a retcon.

Chad being a fullbringer, a living human with Hollow Powers, is not a retcon. You can tell because it is perfectly consistent with all of the other explanations given for his power.

Explanations given are, as follows: A Result of exposure to Ichigo's reiatsu.

A Result of the Hogyoku awakening his potential powers.

Somehow hollow like.

Fullbring, a variant of hollow powers possessed by living humans who were exposed to hollow reiatsu, usually in utero.

Now then, let's check off those explanations: Ichigo is and always has been part hollow, and his hollow powers and Shinigami powers are one and the same. Meaning that exposure to Ichigo's reiatsu counts as exposure to Hollow(like) Reiatsu.

The hogyoku awakening his potential powers. Obviously, as Chad was not exposed to Ichigo's mutant Hollow/Shinigami reiatsu in utero, he likely would not have had sufficient time to absorb it to develop full fullbring, but would have had the potential to awaken it, which coupled with his desire to be strong to help Ichigo, allowed the Hogyoku to manifest it.

It being hollow like in nature is evident from it originating from exposure to Ichigo's hollow like powers, as well as the definition of fullbring.

and I just explained perfectly how the fullbring explanation is perfectly consistent with everything else.

Check mate, I accept your defeat.

There was an implication Orihime and Chad got an upgrade/power boost that was Quincy based from Hat and clogs, so them suddenly being vessels for Soul King parts would fit the timing. Of course Chad wouldn't be an arm, though, that'd be silly. He's got the arms of a devil and angel, so his LEGS would be the god leg.

1. Gaint, not angel

2. That's not nessesarily meaningful of anything-Fullbring names are made up by the fullbringer. Tsukishima's fullbring, book of the end, is not a book that foretells the end of anything, and isn't even a book-It's a sword, that he just so happens to manifest thought a bookmark

[LaZodiac]

Check mate, I accept your defeat.

1. Gaint, not angel

2. That's not nessesarily meaningful of anything-Fullbring names are made up by the fullbringer. Tsukishima's fullbring, book of the end, is not a book that foretells the end of anything, and isn't even a book-It's a sword, that he just so happens to manifest thought a bookmark

Wow. Maybe not phrase things like that makes you come off pretty rude

Thanks, my bad.

I was making a joke

[danzibr]

So many people to respond to!

Reread Tite's love to recon Chad's power source is the same thing we're discussing now :p

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Tsukishima's Book of the End


Tsukishima still holding the Book of the End while dead.

The phasing used was all traces of their ability vanishes from the world. Easily requantified to mean "from Earth" without nearly as bad of a change as we've seen Tite do out of boredom.

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But I wouldn't be surprise if things did change, Tsukishimi is using a Urahara invention that unleashes latent detergent powers allowing him to wipe away his enemy's past, the background, and speech bubbles.
And now you know why it's called 'Bleach'.

They look like the same sword to me. I get the feeling that Fullbringers are supposed to keep their powers when they die. Otherwise... you'll have a relatively useless bunch of people.

But it does make me wonder about other Fullbringers.

Retcon stands for "retroactive continuity" It is a case of the author altering the canon after the fact, and thus changing the context of earlier works. Bulma Briefs having graduated university before going out and looking for the dragonballs as depicted in Galactic Patrolman Jaco despite being shown as a highschool student in the Red Ribbon Army Saga in early Dragonball is a retcon.

Luke and Leia Skywalker being siblings after two movies of sexual tension and a passionate kiss is a retcon.

While I don't think the second example is a retcon (I mean, people have gotten married to siblings before), I do agree that Bleach is not full of retcons.

Some things were forgotten about, and if you include filler arcs then there are inconsistencies, but I do not recall the canon ever changing. Chad's powers, yeah, there were earlier explanations which don't agree with later explanations, but even Tolkien said Treebeard didn't know everything about Middle Earth.

Wow. Maybe not phrase things like that makes you come off pretty rude

It's like his sig says :P

[Rater202]

Another thing, a lot of the explanations given for things like powers in bleach are just coming from people who are making guesses.

[LaZodiac]

It's like his sig says :P

Not gonna get into that.

At any rate! I do hope Tsukishima shows up because he's the only Fullbringer I can remotely like that had a chance of coming back. Dirty Boots lady was great but she has no reason or ability to come back, so brig on pants and suspenders bookmark swordbro.

My affection for characters in this series. Creepy as mind altering guy and the lolita character that eats people with a goopy mouth.

Another thing, a lot of the explanations given for things like powers in bleach are just coming from people who are making guesses.

A lot of the times it sounds "we're 100% sure that's what the power is" though, is the problem.

[Rater202]

And a lot of the time it's coming from people who genuinely know a lot about the circumstances, or are arrogant enough to believe that the explanation they come up with must be the correct one, or have reasons to lie.

[LaZodiac]

And a lot of the time it's coming from people who genuinely know a lot about the circumstances, or are arrogant enough to believe that the explanation they come up with must be the correct one, or have reasons to lie.

Gonna be honest, what reason does Aizen or HatnClogs or really anyone have to lie to some random busty chick and her mexican-japanese friend?