Civ 5 mutliplayer GMR 14 On the Euro

[Illven]

Narkis, and Closet skeleton.

Join us.

[Narkis]

I'm waiting for my slot to open up from #11. Just one player left to surrender, will probably be done by tomorrow.

[Illven]

I'm waiting for my slot to open up from #11. Just one player left to surrender, will probably be done by tomorrow.

Understood.

[Illven]

Okay, I did some more reading.... Apparently only scnaerios on GMR can have more then 12 players.

Which... we aren't, and I can't mod a scenario.

So I'm really sorry to ask this, but is anyone okay with giving up their spot?

[OrcusMcP]

I'll give up my spot for anyone who hasn't been in one of these yet.

[TheOneHawk]

Call me callous, but if they (closet skeleton) haven't posted or joined by now are they likely to play their turns in a timely manner?

[Illven]

I'll give up my spot for anyone who hasn't been in one of these yet.

It's Closet skeleton, so he's been in a few before.

[Illven]

Okay. I'm assuming Closet skeleton doesn't want his slot.

So.

Final thing while we get started.

Gentlemenly diplomacy rules.

Do we want them, and if so, how enforced should they be?

[OrcusMcP]

I'd offer these rules based on what I've seen in the other games:

-If you're at war and someone offers reasonable terms to end the war, then they deserve a negotiation. Maybe ask the game runner for a pause to do a quick conference.
-If you think you have an agreement or alliance with someone, ask for it in-game.

[Illven]

@Other players.

Do other players agree with Orcus's proposed diplo rules?

@Everyone

And we have begun.

We have a 24 hour turn timer, and right now if you are skipped you lose your spot. As the game goes on the kick limit will be increased.

[Narkis]

I'd offer these rules based on what I've seen in the other games:

-If you're at war and someone offers reasonable terms to end the war, then they deserve a negotiation. Maybe ask the game runner for a pause to do a quick conference.
-If you think you have an agreement or alliance with someone, ask for it in-game.

I dislike the first rule. Putting such an OOC limitation on warfare will discourage it way too much, and I thought we wanted more conflict in this game, not less. Rule #2 is cool though. Common sense, really.

[Illven]

I edited the thread title.

[OrcusMcP]

I dislike the first rule. Putting such an OOC limitation on warfare will discourage it way too much, and I thought we wanted more conflict in this game, not less. Rule #2 is cool though. Common sense, really.

It's not so much a limitation as it is a chance for a player who's on the losing end to say "hey, if I give you this city, will you go away?" without feeling rushed. It's equally cool to say "sorry, making way for a hyperspace bypass, tough luck" when you're winning, but at least make a token effort to negotiate.

[Illven]

It's not so much a limitation as it is a chance for a player who's on the losing end to say "hey, if I give you this city, will you go away?" without feeling rushed. It's equally cool to say "sorry, making way for a hyperspace bypass, tough luck" when you're winning, but at least make a token effort to negotiate.

So it's less of a forced negotiation, and more either player can ask the host (me) to extend the turn timer for negotiations?

Because otherwise I'm not sure that's a good idea.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

[Requesting clarification via example of proposed rule #2.]

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The founding location of Warsaw, capital of what will hopefully be a prosperous empire.

I started on hills. Moving my warrior to the east revealed no further resources, so I saw no reason to delay my founding, even though it could probably be a better start position. I think I can see the coastline to the north.

[RayGallade]

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Hello citizens of Aleph Complex. Here we observe the humble beginnings of our great complex. Observe, sector PCE, the pride and joy of our people. Sure, the tundra can be a little chilly, but remember citizens, happiness is mandatory. The Armed Forces are beginning to scout of the land around us to determine who our neighbors are. Meanwhile, the high council has determined we must establish a dedicated scouting division. Updates shall follow as our friend determines what is best for our beloved complex.

[Illven]

@Ryuho Tsugu

I'm guessing it's Declaration of friendships are to be taken seriously.

[OrcusMcP]

So it's less of a forced negotiation, and more either player can ask the host (me) to extend the turn timer for negotiations?

Because otherwise I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Yes, you've got it. If someone makes an offer to negotiate a peace, then we extend the timer a bit so they can hash out a deal. If it's clear no deal will be reached, then the one who ends negotiations lets the host know.

ex1: "Okay, you caught me with my pants down and took a city. If I give you this one as well, will you go away?" (negotiation request)
"I want this city instead."
"I can't give up that one, but how about the one I just offered plus some luxuries."
"Throw in a declaration of friendship so I can role-play 'vassalizing' you."
"Alright, fine, deal." (negotiations end)

ex2: "Oh crap, is there anything I can give you to halt this madness?" (negotiation request)
"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
"....." (negotiations end)

[Requesting clarification via example of proposed rule #2.]

Illven hit it on the head. It's not a rule, so much as it is a reminder. If you want the alliance to mean something, use the game mechanics to keep yourself from being obviously backstabbed.

[Silverraptor]

I think having the game as a 1 turn skip = you're out of the game is a bit much, or having a 24 hour turn timer a bit too short for that rule. I would suggest either have 3 turn skip = end of game, or expand the time limit to at least 2 days, as I'm sure some one will have a busy day at some point that they can't check on their turn, like an interview or cram night for a finals week, stuff like that.

[TheOneHawk]

In a game with 12 players, it can already take nearly two weeks for it to reach your turn again. Unless we want this game to take somewhere in the realm of 3-4 years to finish, I'm pretty ok with the current turn timer and kick setup. If you do get kicked and want back in, I'd expect Illven would let you rejoin as well as long as it wasn't a regular thing.

[Illven]

In a game with 12 players, it can already take nearly two weeks for it to reach your turn again. Unless we want this game to take somewhere in the realm of 3-4 years to finish, I'm pretty ok with the current turn timer and kick setup. If you do get kicked and want back in, I'd expect Illven would let you rejoin as well as long as it wasn't a regular thing.

As the game goes on, the skip limit will increase.

It's to prevent someone forgetting about this game for 2 weeks, and skipping ten turns.

If you ask to join back in, clearly you haven't forgotten.

[Silverraptor]

As the game goes on, the skip limit will increase.

It's to prevent someone forgetting about this game for 2 weeks, and skipping ten turns.

If you ask to join back in, clearly you haven't forgotten.

Okay. I guess that's alright.

[The_Snark]

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So, here's my starting location:


Northerly, coastal - I'm guessing I'm somewhere in the Baltic Sea, or maybe out on the tip of Scotland. Resource-wise, all those sea resources (plus deer and cattle) mean I'm set for early growth. Could definitely do worse. Going to have to make my production doesn't fall behind, though.

[Silverraptor]

I wish I could post screen shots for my turns, but all I ever get are black screens.

[tropical_punch]

Do we want any sort of grace period after/before declaring war on someone? Maybe just give everyone one turn warning?

Or are we fine with sneak attacks?

[Illven]

Do we want any sort of grace period after/before declaring war on someone? Maybe just give everyone one turn warning?

Or are we fine with sneak attacks?

That's an option.

The thing is. It discourages war-like civs.

But sneak attacks can lead to hard feelings.

[TheOneHawk]

War is part of the game. If we're using random civs (and thus might end up with civs who's only real advantage is war) then it would be really unfair to punish war. It sucks to lose a game like civ that takes so long to play, but the fact of the matter is that 11 of us are going to lose.

[RayGallade]

I'll echo the vote for no on mandatory warning. Sure, I'd be more than slightly annoyed at being attacked, but I figure it's better to give everyone a fair shot at winning.

[The_Snark]

Speaking as a not-particularly-warlike civ, I don't think we need advance notice of attacks. If I'm worried about getting blindsided, I'll devote resources to patrolling my borders.

[Narkis]

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Pretty decent start location. 2 luxuries and good tiles all around. Not spectacular by any means, but above average for sure.

If I were to hazard a guess I'd say I'm somewhere around France, but with no seas visible it could possibly be just about anywhere.