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Thread: RWBY VII: Winter is here
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2016-02-03, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Really? I see it more as the other way around. Ironwood's more about progression, the conquering human spirit and the bright side of technology; Ozpin is the head of a conspiracy to keep magic a secret from people, believing that it's too much for them to comprehend. He also selects people to imbue with the secret magic powers and carry the world for him, while Ironwood places himself as the face of his technological revolution, to rise or fall with it.
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I'd give Ozpin a little more credit than that. He isn't afraid that the populace couldn't understand the truth, he's afraid they can. Fear and despair and panic and other such emotions draw Grimm. Ozpin and the entire Huntsmen setup is designed to combat Grimm on multiple levels, first of which by keeping the populace from summoning them. Give them brilliant, flashy heroes capable of unimaginable gun-fu and broadcast it across the world. Present the Grimm as dangerous monsters that should be avoided, yes, but also as clearly inferior to Huntsmen, who can slaughter them en masse. Frame the world in such a way that the populace does not fear the Grimm, and the Grimm will not become something to fear. Let them see Grimm for what they are, the unstoppable wave of savage destruction and the colossal monsters that are its vanguard? Show them Mountain Glen, or the Goliaths, or whatevery that Wyvern was? Demonstrate to them just how thin the thread is that their lives are hanging by? They will know fear, and rightly so. And that fear is clarion call to make all those fears manifest. The nature of the Grimm means that the peoples' reality is what they perceive: let them see peace, and they will have peace.
Ironwood is well-meaning. He sees the Grimm as an enemy that must be faced militarily. He wants to minimize risk to his men, looking to count the expense of war in materiel instead of blood, and create an army of expendable forces in the place of a handful of painstakingly trained masters. There's really nothing unpleasant or irrational about his position in general. How it applies to Grimm and how it leaves him vulnerable to exploitation by tech-savvy enemies aren't things he thought completely through, however, and those oversights are coming back to haunt him.Spoiler: My inventory:
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2016-02-04, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's a mistake to see either Ironwood or Ozpin as scientific/technological positivists or as a cynical technophile type. Both are different sorts of realists:
Ironwood sees the world much like...well any movie comically aggressive general or a certain sort of politician . There is evil, it needs to be confronted, and we need to aggressively throw everything we have at it. He is modified from this view by a certain sort of respect and caring attitude for his (and other's) men, women, boys and girls, and a respect for Ozpin.
Ozpin is a more realpolitik, he is subtle, even manipulative, and wishes to apply force only where needed.
The two have not actually debated the virtues of a robot army.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2016-02-05, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Late to the Party...I assume someone's going to explain next episode what Motherglare was doing trapped in a mountain in Vale?
Also I'm surprised no one has commented yet on the fact that Ironwood's weapon is a gun... that's also a gun. Seriously, it has two barrels and two triggers.
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2016-02-05, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3C10
Shockingly, and trust me I'm being genuine I'm actually kind of surprised here, the fanbase of Fairy Tail and RWBY encompasses maybe two people, one of which is me and I'm here for much the same reason I'm here for Fairy Tail. I just didn't remember Motherglare was a thing because...well I mean you've read Fairy Tail you know why.
I'm almost positive it's because that's such a stupid design element that no one who saw it actually comprehend they saw it. You don't need to triggers! It feels like it's probably a model oversight: they wanted him to have two barrels but made the gun with one so they just cloned it and put it overlapping the first one and didn't do it good enough.
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2016-02-05, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Use More GunNope, it's on purpose, if you pay attention to the concept art of it during the end credits there's a note saying "Two triggers!!" As for why it would have two triggers, the barrels looked like they were different widths so theoretically you might want to only fire one or the other for some reason.
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2016-02-05, 03:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3C10Maybe the extra barrel is to explain how it can shoot seven shots but only have six shots in the revolver.Spoiler: Old Avatar by Aruiushttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q56/Zeritho/Koboldbard.png
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2016-02-06, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Revolvers don't work that way.I'm going to assume this is a joke, but in the interest of being sure, you do know that revolvers don't just have 6 cylinders, right? The S&W 686 and Nagant M1895 both have 7, the LeMat was made with 9 plus a secondary 20 gauge shotgun barrel (and if anyone is going to say that that sounds like a good gun, the LeMat was noted for not being particularly accurate, practical, or even that good of a gun, to the point where the company producing them failed after 5 or 6 years and having made maybe 4000 guns between all of its models due to poor sales [which, come to think of it, means that it actually would be a pretty good fit for RWBY.]), the Colt Cloverleaf had 4, the S&W 36 had 5, etc.
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2016-02-06, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-06, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E10Whoops. Sorry. I meant chambers. My bad.
And I feel like I should note that's in concept art, so it's possible that was changed on the final model, but you are probably right that it was an animation error. Serves me right for ever defending RWBY.
And honestly, the more I look at this gun, the worse designed it seems. Based on my own hand size, my height, and Ironwoods height, it's got about a 10.5" barrel and a 18" total length, making it probably safe to assume its the RWBY-verse equivalent of something like the Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk and chambered in something in the range of a .454 Casull or .44 Magnum. And considering the size of the top strap and the underbarrel...thing, it's probably ridiculously unbalanced towards the front and even more stupidly heavy than it would need to be to help with recoil (which I'm pretty sure barely exists at all in RWBY, considering that Yang can safely and accurately rapid fire wrist mounted shotguns, and that Nora can fire a grenade launcher from the hip). I have no idea what the underslung thing is, since it doesn't look like its in line with the bottom chamber (I think I used the right word this time!), so I doubt it's supposed to be firing two bullets at once, and it doesn't look like its in line with the cylinder pin, making it unlikely that its something like the LeMats shotgun barrel. It could be an integral laser sight, but again, that would make it ridiculously oversized.
However, having gone back through and watched a bunch of videos on Forgotten Weapons, I would like to put forward the theory that the second, smaller trigger isn't for firing a second barrel or a different kind of ammunition (not sure how that would work...), but is actually for single action firing. I can't remember their names, but I do recall that there were a few revolvers that had both a heavy double action trigger for quicker but potentially less accurate shots, and a lighter single action trigger for slower but likely more accurate shots.
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2016-02-06, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E11Best Episode yet. That was honestly great. The heroes have lost something, the villains have lost something, and we know the cast isn't invincible or immortal. I'm not going to say any more until non-backers can see the episode, because I don't want anyone to get accidentally spoiled.
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2016-02-06, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Make sure they are. If you've come here to belittle, insult, provoke, antagonise, or otherwise flame or troll any member of the forum for liking the show (or any other reason), then you've come to the wrong forum.
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I disagree entirely on them being "non-spoilery remarks", but regardless, they were also direct replies to spoilers. Rule of thumb: Never reply to a spoiler in a spoiler box without using a spoiler box that also identifies that episode yourself. After several replies the topic may no longer be relevant to the original spoiler. If it hasn't been discussing spoilers for several posts, then consider if it needs to remain in a spoiler box.
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2016-02-07, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3C10I can quite clearly see two different barrels, one on top and one below, and in the animation I see his finger on the two different triggers at different times. One must fire the revolver part, with the other firing from the second barrel.
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Spoiler: V3C11Velvet: We called it!
Weiss: Sword!
Torchwick: Well, I wasn't expecting that.
Ironwood: He's replaced half his body with artificial cybernetic body parts. Some kind of accident? Also, I think someone called that. I know I thought it when he stopped the blow last episode, but I didn't say anything so I can't claim any credit.
Qrow: Scythe mode!
Grimm: I repeat, not under control by the White Fang.
Yang: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Ozpin: Will we finally see his weapon and fighting style next episode???
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2016-02-07, 02:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I haven't read this since I do my own write ups like this and don't want to be spoiled, but judging from your other comments this'll probably be more in the line of what I post, this should probably go in the other thread. I'm sure our friendly neighborhood mod'll move it their though, just saying as a reminder.
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2016-02-07, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E11.... Wow....
Adam's a straight up a**hole.
Velvet seems to not only copy other peoples weapons, but fighting styles, and possible Semblences as well.
YANG!!!!! Adam, you are going to Die for that!!!!!!!
Ah, so Ironwood is more machine than I thought, nice. Explains quite a bit actually.
Yang .
Ruby was totally outclassed by Neo and Roman together... Hell, Roman seemed to become a far better fighter locked up in that cell than running round being an annoying pilick. And could anyone else see what happened to him coming .
Qrow.... Finally! We get to see him actually using his scythe!
Poor Amber, but kinda knew it was gunna happen.
YANG!! :'-(
I'm going to call it now... Ozpin is Cinder's absentee father.
All in all... Wow...
Might comment more after I've been to sleep (nearly 5.40am here, stayed up to watch the episode... Sleepy.....)
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Spoiler: V3C11 Heroes and MonstersWow, and just when I thought it couldn't get worse...
From Cinder getting what she wanted to Adam revealing that Yang is a Skywalker* and acting the way he did this has been pretty dark.
I mean seriously? Blake turns away from Adam because of his extremism and his reaction is "If I can't have you I'm going to make the world burn and hurt any one you love"? The terrorism for the sake of his people I could understand. This? Not so much. More importantly the only reason why peace isn't possible are his actions. I wish him that he has to live in a world where humans and fauni live together in peace. Without Blake of course. Or anyone else for that matter.
Better fokus on the positive. Velvet's weapon is really great - fighting with (one-way?) copies of other's weapons is pretty interesting, being able to use them makes it even better.
Ironwood survived and reveals he is a mid-backstory Version of the iron woodsman and we get to see Qrow's scythe. More importatly Cardin almost got what he deserved.
The robots are shut down - making your battledroids dependent on a single control unit isn't exactly smart, but this time it certainly was a good thing this time.
Ruby wins her fight against Neo and Roman with a bit of creativity, determination and enough luck for a lifetime and at least one of them might not reappear.
Since Cinder has the maidens power we get to keep Phyrra a bit longer.
Could be worse. They can fix this."If it lives it can be killed.
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2016-02-07, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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New episode! My thoughts are here, as always: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=517
Here's what I can say in this thread though:Spoiler: V3C11****ing god damnit Roman is my favorite character and now he's dead. In a really dumb, anti-climactic and stupid way! And Neo got defeated by Mary Poppins' gag joke. Lame.
That said, Ironwood's reveal that he's half terminator, and Weiss angrily summoning up the Armor Giant arm was actually really cool. It's building on stuff we've seen that was written okay.
Adam...is a huge ****er fedoralord idiot and I can't wait for him to die. He stabbed Blake to get Yang to notice them, and then he sliced off Yang's arm. I do actually kinda like this, but I'm not fond of the execution here. That's for the other thread though. I'll say here though that I'm glad we actually have consequences for once.
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2016-02-07, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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That was pretty awesome.
Spoiler: V3C11I knew Ironwood was a cyborg! And now maybe Yang will become one, too.
They actually had me going there for a second when Adam beheaded 'Blake.'
Random speculation, but what if Ozpin turns out to be the old wizard from the myth?
Only one more episode left!
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2016-02-07, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm just going to leave this here:
Spoiler: S3E11
btwSpoiler: S3E11 sparks will ignite the torchTorchwick isn't dead, he was swallowed whole by a Grimm that was engulfed in flames on a ship that then crashes into the middle of the Grimm-invaded city full of hunters and soldiers that all know who he is. He'll be back by mid-season 4 tops.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2016-02-07, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E11
And so I pray... Unlimited Bunny Works.
Loved Torchwik's death scene - hope they don't de-value it by granting him some miraclous survival/ressurection.
Okay, so Cinder got the full power of the Fall. Good for her. Now let's think, what's bad - she is in the dungeon with the probably most op character in the series and more high-powered cahracters are coming. Sure, the power, but come on - Cinder with her team stomped a full-powered Maiden - why can't Ozpin do the same. It seems, someone bit more then she can chew.
Adam/Blake long dramatic story, yadda, yadda. Sorry, bored.
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2016-02-07, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E11
no wait, COCO's semblance is the sharingan of the series
alright WEISS!
aaaw, Torchwick got eaten, and he was having such a great speech and this nice hero/villain back and forth. should've stayed longer to be an enemy.
oh, nice subversion of Qrow being paranoid of Ironwood. he knows whats up, and is Ironwood is a cyborg?
........Yang's arm got cut off, Autumn is dead, Blake got stabbed, Cinder has won, Adam is apparently a powerful enough fighter that he needs more than one person to be beaten, and Ruby is pogo-scything to the ground. yeah.....this......is got real.
but yeah.....Yang she.....she is going to need a cybernetic arm now....
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2016-02-07, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V03E11So apparently Velvet can copy combat styles as well as weapons. That being the case, I wonder if she actually has any skill of her own. She might rely solely on her Semblance (at least, I think it's a Semblance) to gain the benefits of other people's training.
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2016-02-07, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3E11I'm surprised Ozpin told Pyrrha to leave... I was expecting him to Not be the super huntsmen everyone expects since... well wizard of oz and all. Unless he has illusion semblance and actually tries to use them for insta-win.
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Spoiler: V3E11The Adam fight and behaviour just rankled me. We're watching a show about superpowered college kids fighting monsters and supervillains. When he's standing over a dominated Blake and monologuing, I feel like the writers screwed up and passed the voice actors and animators their parody scripts where they write RWBY by way of a Lifetime Movie of the Week. When he's hitting her, I should feel like I saw a superpowered badass hitting a defeated but no less superpowered badass, not the opening of a Law And Order: SVU episode.
I feel like Velvet's fight could have been awesome if Mounty Oum was still around to animate it. As it stands, I found myself disappointed.
Rest in Peace, you gloriously cheesy super animator. The world is lesser for your absence.
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2016-02-08, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: S3E11 Why not get Blake'dSeems to me they've set that one up since the Black trailer. Blake herself said see saw him "more of a mentor" and it apparently comes to a surprise to no one that the two were romantic. People commented on the Black trailer that "she seems to be in fear of him" and her reaction towards Torchwick and the White Fang in S2 was to confess her fears and act erratic...twice!
So if Blake first response is to freeze, if she suddenly crumples like tissue paper when Adam startsfightingbeating her, if this scene absolutely looks like something rapey and abusive, call it what you will, but it's absolutely consistent with everything we know about the two.
Spoiler: S3E11 Would have been more awesome with MontyRIP. There's a special place in heaven where he can produce his fights off a computer that offers perfect transitions, cinematography, finishing and rendering.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2016-02-08, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: V3C11They had that in real life but he wanted to stick with that we knew. I have no reason to believe he'd stop sticking to his guns
(sorry if this is in bad taste it was just a really easy joke to make.)
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Spoiler: V3E11It's hard for me to tell if Torchwick is dead or not. He did go out very anti-climatically, hadn't taken much damage as far as I can tell, the Grimm Griffon got kicked down into the ship where there was an explosion and we didn't see inside, and as we also saw in this episode Ironwood survived a ship crash from about that height in the air so there's a precedent for that. And we still never got to see his Semblance. Also Neo was stated by Monty to be his right-hand woman rather than one of Cinder's followers so she serves as a story anchor point for him there. And his last words were that he was good at cheating and survival. Though it was a surprise, in hindsight it makes sense that a Grimm would attack him given their attraction to negativity, a ton of which he was putting off to give a Hannibal Lecture while beating Ruby with his cane.
There's Cardin!... who ends up as the butt-monkey again. And hey Ironwood's entire right side is mechanical below his neck. Neo flew up and away... and it'll be a long flight down. Weiss managed to summon the arm of the knight, we got to see Qrow's scythe, Velvet did her thing and it seems the copy-attacks are one-shots hence saving them for the right moment. The Grimm Dragon... did nothing this episode after it's big show at the end of the last. It's being saved for a big finish in the next episode I guess, all those Grimm haven't gone away and the robots are all out of commission rather than reverting to a non-hacked state.
Adam is... powerful. Also psychotic. Didn't imagine he'd be powerful enough to slice off Yang's arm like that, unless he pre-prepared some great power after building it up as we saw in the Black trailer. He was also resentful enough to try and then finish Blake off but fell for her illusion instead. Also this fan artist was clearly psychic since they drew this weeks ago: http://i.imgur.com/CVmEt6g.jpg
If Jaune hadn't turned around, he might have seen Cinder coming and been able to block her arrow shot. Can't expect him to have ignored Pyrrha's screams though. Poor Amber. And now the Fall Maiden's power is all within Cinder, unless a fragment of it remains in Pyrrha from the transfer somehow.
We also got further confirmation that Cinder has someone she was talking to that she considers a superior or equal. A woman who considers Ozpin to be rather arrogant. We'll see how powerful Ozpin is compared to a fully Fall-empowered Cinder as well.Last edited by Phexar; 2016-02-08 at 03:03 AM.
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Spoiler: V3C11 16:30Who "she"? (There is at least one obvious guess, but I'm holding out for other options.)