Magic the Gathering XXII: Where Puns Go to Die

[Klorox]

I played with a deck very much like that before rotation. The loss of Swiftspear and Treasure Cruise really hurt it - it's much, much slower and speed was the main thing it had going for it. On the other hand, my previous arguments against Abbot and Jori En is that they were too slow, so maybe there's room for a more robust version.

I think you want to drop Zada for Jori En; she's not bad but a bit expensive. Evolving Wilds is generally better than Highland Lake because it can thin your deck. Brute Strength is probably better than Sure Strike in this deck but you might want to leave it in the sideboard and get some Dispels - instant speed removal can blow you out terribly. Negate would be nice in the sideboard against Stasis Snare.

Edit: Magmatic Insight and/or Tormenting Voice are also probably better than Anticipate.

Thanks. I've since tweaked the deck quite a bit. LMK what you think:

# [UR gonna get overrun](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-gonna-get-overrun/)
by [krunchyfrogg](http://tappedout.net/users/krunchyfrogg/)

## Mainboard (119)
### Creature (21)
* 4 [Abbot of Keral Keep](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/abbot-of-keral-keep/)
* 4 [Elusive Spellfist](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/elusive-spellfist/)
* 4 [Mage-Ring Bully](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/mage-ring-bully/)
* 2 [Sanguinary Mage](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/sanguinary-mage/)
* 4 [Stormchaser Mage](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/stormchaser-mage/)
* 3 [Zada, Hedron Grinder](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/zada-hedron-grinder/)

### Sorcery (4)
* 4 [Slip Through Space](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/slip-through-space/)

### Land (20)
* 4 [Evolving Wilds](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/evolving-wilds/)
* 1 [Island](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/island/)
* 7 [Mountain](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/mountain/)
* 4 [Shivan Reef](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/shivan-reef/)
* 4 [Wandering Fumarole](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/wandering-fumarole/)

### Instant (15)
* 4 [Expedite](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/expedite/)
* 4 [Rush of Adrenaline](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/rush-of-adrenaline/)
* 3 [Sure Strike](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/sure-strike/)
* 4 [Titan's Strength](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/titans-strength/)

----------

I'm not completely sold on Evolving Wilds yet, but it looks pretty good.

In sample hands, I can usually dish out 20+ damage in 5 rounds, sometimes 4. That's without an opponent, but still, it's pretty good.

[Svata]

Ok, so im finally getting around to designing my Demon EDH deck, and while im not sure what General im gonna use i have a basic card list ready.

Spoiler: Deck List

Show

Commander (1)
Drana Liberator of Malakir or Shirei, Shinzo's Caretaker

Creature (47)
1 Abhorrent Overlord
1 Abyssal Gatekeeper
1 Abyssal Specter
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Daggerclaw Imp
1 Demonlord of Ashmouth
1 Demon of Deaths Gate
1 Dusk Imp
1 Eater of Hope
1 Fallen Angel
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Kuro, Pitlord
1 Lord of the Pit
1 Reiver Demon
30 ShadowBorn Apostle
1 Soot Imp
1 Souldrinker
1 Stinkweed Imp

Sorcery (7)
1 Barter in Blood
1 Consume Spirit
1 Corrupt
1 Cruel Edict
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Duress
1 Promise of Power

Instant (2)
1 Dark Banishing
1 Dark Ritual

Artifact (2)
1 Demon's Horn
1 Whip of Erebos

Enchantment (4)
1 Breeding Pit
1 Edge of Divinity
1 Oni Possession
1 Unholy Strength

Land (37)
1 Barren Moor
1 Reliquary Tower
35 Swamp

So my current ideas for commanders are either Drana or Shirei. Drana gets the big things bigger but Shirei lets me recycle my Apostles. Im also open to other Commanders

Shirei, easily. And consider Archfiend of Depravity to wreck strategies that go wide. Chainer's Edict is just better than Cruel Edict. Also, I'm a fan of Sever the Bloodline for killing tokens.

[Blackhawk748]

Shirei, easily. And consider Archfiend of Depravity to wreck strategies that go wide. Chainer's Edict is just better than Cruel Edict. Also, I'm a fan of Sever the Bloodline for killing tokens.

I've been thinking about it and ya Shirei, i've also dropped Demon of Death's Gate and the Abyssal Gatekeeper for Eternal Servitude and Ob Nixilis Unshackled. I've got Cruel Edict in there because i own that one, but ill try and upgrade to Chainer's Edict. I looked at Archfiend of Depravity and went"Eeeeh, but i like having a bunch of Demons....", though Sever the Bloodlines is definitely a consideration.

[Fable Wright]

I've been thinking about it and ya Shirei, i've also dropped Demon of Death's Gate and the Abyssal Gatekeeper for Eternal Servitude and Ob Nixilis Unshackled. I've got Cruel Edict in there because i own that one, but ill try and upgrade to Chainer's Edict. I looked at Archfiend of Depravity and went"Eeeeh, but i like having a bunch of Demons....", though Sever the Bloodlines is definitely a consideration.

Archfiend of Depravity only forces opponents to sacrifice. You can have an army of demons, and everyone else can have up to blockers.

[Blackhawk748]

Archfiend of Depravity only forces opponents to sacrifice. You can have an army of demons, and everyone else can have up to blockers.

*re-reads card* How the hell have i been reading that wrong? Ok, that card needs to get in here, probably just drop an Imp or something.

[Svata]

*re-reads card* How the hell have i been reading that wrong? Ok, that card needs to get in here, probably just drop an Imp or something.

Tis a thing of beauty, innit?

[Blackhawk748]

Tis a thing of beauty, innit?

Its just so mean. Combined with Ob Nixilis, Unshackled and this deck is just cruel.

[Ninjaman]

Ok, so im finally getting around to designing my Demon EDH deck, and while im not sure what General im gonna use i have a basic card list ready.

Spoiler: Deck List

Show

Commander (1)
Drana Liberator of Malakir or Shirei, Shinzo's Caretaker

Creature (47)
1 Abhorrent Overlord
1 Abyssal Gatekeeper
1 Abyssal Specter
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Daggerclaw Imp
1 Demonlord of Ashmouth
1 Demon of Deaths Gate
1 Dusk Imp
1 Eater of Hope
1 Fallen Angel
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Kuro, Pitlord
1 Lord of the Pit
1 Reiver Demon
30 ShadowBorn Apostle
1 Soot Imp
1 Souldrinker
1 Stinkweed Imp

Sorcery (7)
1 Barter in Blood
1 Consume Spirit
1 Corrupt
1 Cruel Edict
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Duress
1 Promise of Power

Instant (2)
1 Dark Banishing
1 Dark Ritual

Artifact (2)
1 Demon's Horn
1 Whip of Erebos

Enchantment (4)
1 Breeding Pit
1 Edge of Divinity
1 Oni Possession
1 Unholy Strength

Land (37)
1 Barren Moor
1 Reliquary Tower
35 Swamp

So my current ideas for commanders are either Drana or Shirei. Drana gets the big things bigger but Shirei lets me recycle my Apostles. Im also open to other Commanders

Demon's horn is awful. Edge of divinity is not only not very impressive but also not allowed in a mono black commander deck. Oni possession is pretty bad and so is unholy strength. Breeding pit doesn't seem to be doing much in this deck. You generally don't want small buff effects in commander, your cheap cards should either help you play your expensive cards or keep the opponent from playing his. A note on duress, it's a fine card but some commander groups are not very keen on hand disruption, just something to keep in mind.

Thrumming stone should possibly be in there, I am unsure. It seems like you can hit a couple apostles with each casting. I like Rune-Scarred Demon as it lets your apostles effectively tutor up non demons as well. Patriarch's Bidding Can either get back all your apostles or all your demons. No rest for the wicked does the same thing though a pit worse. Grave pact lets you pretty much sweep the table whenever you apostle. Possibly some hexproof/shroud artifacts for Shizo if you are afraid of him dying.
Cabal Coffers is pretty much a must in mono black EDH.

For other commanders the best suggestion I have is Athreos, God of Passage lets you get back your dudes too and you can play
Edgewalker to play your apostles for free. Immortal Servitude and Rally the Ancestors serve as additional Patriarch's Bidding. Remembrance fills the same kind of role.

Its just so mean. Combined with Ob Nixilis, Unshackled and this deck is just cruel.

I think that's how you should feel when playing a demon deck

[Svata]

Another good thing to run would be Black Market.

[Dhavaer]

How does Avaricious Dragon interact with (an opponent's) Fevered Visions?

[ryuplaneswalker]

How does Avaricious Dragon interact with (an opponent's) Fevered Visions?

I think the Dragon goes on the stack first, which means the Visions resolves first, so you draw a card..then discard it.

However..if you have Avaricious Dragon, 99% chance of it getting set on fire fast as badly as it hoses the UR Visions deck plan.

[Binks]

How does Avaricious Dragon interact with (an opponent's) Fevered Visions?

Avaricious Dragon
Fevered Visions

Assuming you control the dragon and an opponent controls the visions.

On your end step you put your dragon trigger (discard your hand) on the stack, then your opponent puts their visions trigger (draw and maybe take damage) on the stack. Both players get priority. Once both players pass the visions goes off. You draw a card and take damage if you have 4 or more in hand at that point. Then both players get priority. If you drew an instant and have the mana open you can cast it. Once both players pass the dragon goes off and you discard all the cards in your hand. Then we move to cleanup (after 1 more round of priority passing of course).

So generally speaking, you just pitch whatever you'd draw from visions unless it's an instant you can cast right then. Good news is, you'll pretty much never take damage off visions at least. And hey, madness is a thing again, so there's that.

[IthilanorStPete]

Avaricious Dragon
Fevered Visions

Assuming you control the dragon and an opponent controls the visions.

On your end step you put your dragon trigger (discard your hand) on the stack, then your opponent puts their visions trigger (draw and maybe take damage) on the stack. Both players get priority. Once both players pass the visions goes off. You draw a card and take damage if you have 4 or more in hand at that point. Then both players get priority. If you drew an instant and have the mana open you can cast it. Once both players pass the dragon goes off and you discard all the cards in your hand. Then we move to cleanup (after 1 more round of priority passing of course).

So generally speaking, you just pitch whatever you'd draw from visions unless it's an instant you can cast right then. Good news is, you'll pretty much never take damage off visions at least. And hey, madness is a thing again, so there's that.

This is correct. For reference, the principle here is APNAP (active player, non-active player) ordering. Abilities controlled by the active player (the player whose turn it is) are put on the stack, then the non-active player's abilities go on the stack.

[Ionbound]

For those of us that like poking fun Maro.

[ChaosOS]

Modern questions: Currently iterating on UWR, I feel pretty good about my current shell but I'm experimenting with different packages for win con

Spoiler: Nahiri, the Aeons Torn

Show

1x Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
4x Nahiri, the Harbinger

Spoiler: Resto-Kiki

Show

4x Wall of Omens
4x Restoration Angel
1-2x Kiki Jiki
0-3x Nahiri, the Harbinger

Spoiler: ThopterSword

Show

3x Thopter Foundry
2x Sword of the Meek
1-2x Engineered Explosives
0-1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Academy Ruins

Spoiler: Pure control

Show

1-2x Sphinx's Revelation
1x White Sun's Zenith
1-2x Shadow of Doubt

[Fable Wright]

Modern questions: Currently iterating on UWR, I feel pretty good about my current shell but I'm experimenting with different packages for win con

I see. Is Thing in the Ice or Young Pyromancer not an acceptable wincon for some reason?

Spoiler: Nahiri, the Aeons Torn

Show

1x Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
4x Nahiri, the Harbinger

Taking a lesson from the Polymorph Tokens deck that was around for a while, you're going to want 2 Spaghetti Monsters to prepare for when one inevitably makes it into your hand. Also, depending on your creature count, you might actually just want to go for Polymorph and Spaghetti Monster with Kher Keep for tokens.

Spoiler: Resto-Kiki

Show

4x Wall of Omens
4x Restoration Angel
1-2x Kiki Jiki
0-3x Nahiri, the Harbinger

What value does Kiki-Jiki get you when you don't have the Resto Angel? And how will you prevent the inevitable bolt, when you've not been presenting many boltable targets the whole game?

Spoiler: ThopterSword

Show

3x Thopter Foundry
2x Sword of the Meek
1-2x Engineered Explosives
0-1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Academy Ruins

How do you consistently tutor up Academy Ruins? Regardless, Academy Ruins + Engineered Explosives + Trinket Mage could bring some consistency to the build.

Spoiler: Pure control

Show

1-2x Sphinx's Revelation
1x White Sun's Zenith
1-2x Shadow of Doubt

You sure you don't want a second WSZ? It's great for making blockers.

[Shadow of the Sun]

If you need blockers in a pure control build you're doing it wrong.

[ChaosOS]

I see. Is Thing in the Ice or Young Pyromancer not an acceptable wincon for some reason?

Neither are really UWR control win cons; The deck functions differently running those. I could maybe add TITI to the list of win cons but I'm not terribly persuaded by TITI so far, primarily due to Abrupt Decay and not needing the 0/4 wall as bad as Blue Moon due to having lightning helix

Taking a lesson from the Polymorph Tokens deck that was around for a while, you're going to want 2 Spaghetti Monsters to prepare for when one inevitably makes it into your hand. Also, depending on your creature count, you might actually just want to go for Polymorph and Spaghetti Monster with Kher Keep for tokens.

1. I'm running snapcasters no matter what
2. Nahiri +2 can discard spare spaghetti

What value does Kiki-Jiki get you when you don't have the Resto Angel? And how will you prevent the inevitable bolt, when you've not been presenting many boltable targets the whole game?

The plan is to only go for Kiki when they tap out, the idea is that you get free wins off of Resto into Kiki. Nahiri also offers a way to tutor up the kikis while being otherwise useful at filtering out dead cards

How do you consistently tutor up Academy Ruins? Regardless, Academy Ruins + Engineered Explosives + Trinket Mage could bring some consistency to the build.

Sadly no way to tutor up the ruins but it's worth the colorless land slot as a way to guarantee inevitability with the whole package.

You sure you don't want a second WSZ? It's great for making blockers.

Honestly I'm generally not super happy with the WSZ package in general, I feel like UWR has better win cons and WSZ is more suited as an esper control card.

[Blackhawk748]

Ok, i've mucked around a bit with my Demon EDH deck, so heres v2

Spoiler: Army of the Damned

Show

Commander (1)
Shirei, Shinzo's Caretaker

Creature (47)
1 Abhorrent Overlord
1 Abyssal Specter
1 Archetype of Finality
1 Archfiend of Depravity
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Demonlord of Ashmouth
1 Demon of Deaths Gate
1 Eater of Hope
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Kuro, Pitlord
1 Lord of the Pit
1 Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
1 Reiver Demon
1 Rune Scarred Demon
30 ShadowBorn Apostle
1 Soot Imp
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Xathrid Necromancer

Sorcery (7)
1 Consume Spirit
1 Corrupt
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Duress
1 Promise of Power
1 Sever the Bloodline

Instant (2)
1 Dark Banishing
1 Dark Ritual

Artifact (3)
1 Demon's Horn
1 Thrumming Stone
1 Whip of Erebos

Enchantment (4)
1 Black Market
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Grave Pact
1 No Rest for the Wicked

Land (36)
1 Reliquary Tower
35 Swamp

[Dhavaer]

I maek deck: Depletion. Blue/Black/Devoid ramp with Essence Depleter and Prophet of Distortion to use all the mana, then Bloodbond Vampire and Malakir Familiar to take advantage of the lifegain.

[Eldest]

So, uh. Story spoilers.

Spoiler

Show

It looks like they killed off Jace.

[Shadow of the Sun]

So, uh. Story spoilers.

Spoiler

Show

It looks like they killed off Jace.

Spoiler

Show

Sadly not. If you look at the full art for Anguished Unmaking, you can infer that Sorin is about to drop in, gank Avacyn, and Jace will survive.

[ChaosOS]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...day-2016-05-16

Massive list of announcements, just look at the article, it's already in TL;DR format

New planeswalker announced, remind anyone of a character from another game? Saheeli Rai

Spoiler: My thoughts

Show

Symmetra, anyone?

[Ionbound]

Oh yeah, no, she's definitely Symmetra...I'd be very much surprised if they don't share at least a few personality traits, too.

[tonberrian]

Can't say I particularly like cards that exist and are tournament legal but you can't get in boosters. That they're not designed for tournament play doesn't matter.

[ChaosOS]

I mean, it's in a pre-con deck. Not different from cards like Containment Priest or True-Name Nemesis that are only found in the Commander decks.

[IthilanorStPete]

I mean, it's in a pre-con deck. Not different from cards like Containment Priest or True-Name Nemesis that are only found in the Commander decks.

Plus, since they're oriented towards new players, I imagine there'll be no supply issues like the Cmmander decks have.

[Shadow of the Sun]

We're off to Kaladesh!

[Dhavaer]

Can't say I particularly like cards that exist and are tournament legal but you can't get in boosters. That they're not designed for tournament play doesn't matter.

They already have those with the deck builder's kit specific cards.

[TurboGhast]

They already have those with the deck builder's kit specific cards.

Yes, but the deck builder's toolkit specific cards can be gotten from other sets' packs, since they're reprints.

I'm personally still fine with this setup, though.