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2016-04-22, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
So, Hybrid Classes say:
SpoilerParent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don't stack unless specified.
Vivisectionist says:
SpoilerAt 1st level, a vivisectionist gains the sneak attack ability as a rogue of the same level. If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack’s extra damage dice (so an alchemist 1/rogue 1 has a +1d6 sneak attack like a 2nd-level rogue, an alchemist 2/rogue 1 has a +2d6 sneak attack like a 3rd-level rogue, and so on).
So, has it ever been decided whether Slayer 3/Alchemist (vivisectionist) 4 gets:
2d6 sneak (from alchemist, they don't stack)
3d6 sneak, (2d6 from alchemist, 1d6 from delayed progression Slayer, cant find any rules to support it, but seems like it should work this way.)
or 4d6 sneak (Alchemist text specifies how rule stacks, so slayer 3 alchemist 4=rogue 7)
Looking for RAW as much as possible here. I didn't want to post in rules Q&A because when I searched I saw a lot of old arguments from 2012, so I wasn't sure there would be a simple answer, but everything I found was really before Slayer anyway.
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2016-04-22, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
At 1st level, a vivisectionist gains the sneak attack ability as a rogue of the same level. If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack’s extra damage dice
Slayer lvl 3
Vivisectionist lvl 1
Vivisectionist lvl 3
so the sneak attack is 3d6.
To me, that's the clear RAW interpretation, but I can see how you could parse the language to a different interpretation. But that's the best RAW explanation I can give you.
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2016-04-22, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
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2016-04-22, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
Thirding 3d6. You could make a case for 4d6 though as it's not totally clear.
I'd say 2d6 is out - Alchemist is not a "parent class" of Slayer so there will be some form of stacking.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2016-04-22, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
I support: #2, Vivi says it stacks delayed level not actual sneak attack.
The better sneak attack is Snackbite Brawler (actual sneak attack stacking: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybr...kebite-striker ), Cult Leader (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybr...es/cult-leader ), or even Greensting Slayer Magus ( http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base...ensting-slayer ),
All these use text that they stack damage. Sadly Vivi doesn't stack damage, it stacks effective level.
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2016-04-22, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack
I bet the Hamburgler took levels in Snackbite brawler.
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2016-04-22, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Slayer/Vivisectionist sneak attack