Results 1 to 24 of 24
Thread: Cursing without gods
-
2015-10-14, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Gender
Cursing without gods
This setting has gods that are physical creatures that you can walk up and punch in the face, powerful creatures with very alien mindsets. There is no afterlife, or at least so most people believe.
I have a character from a culture that has hated gods since the nation's founding centuries ago. Finding and killing either a god or cultists worshiping a god is something of a right of passage for martially inclined individuals. (Given the nature of the local gods, worshiping one implicitly includes being a terrorist, something not true of other parts of the setting).
How does this character swear?
I cannot use damnation or similar, as their culture has no conception of hell.
I cannot use constructs like "By the gods, no."
I can use words that mean "excrement," but I find that they get repetitive quickly, and don't sound right for positive exclamations, e.g. "Hells yeah!"
It is extremely wrong for the character to reference sex acts or genitalia in this fasion, although I imagine some other characters from the same culture might.
So what other options do I have?I consider myself an author first, a GM second and a player third.
The three skill-sets are only tangentially related.
-
2015-10-14, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2014
- Location
- Los Angeles
Re: Cursing without gods
Cursing is all about referencing cultural taboos or getting a visceral reaction. So, for instance, referencing taboo occupations or cringeworthy physical punishments.
All of the curses you mentioned are examples of this. Excrement, sex, and blasphemy are all western European cultural taboos. Just make up curses consistent with your own world's taboos. For example, in Eberron's city of Sharn one of the curses was "tower spit!" because you weren't supposed to spit off the edge of balconies in the City of Towers... for obvious reasons.
Just think of behaviors (or lineages, or anything really) that would be shamed in that society... or things that would cause members of that society to instinctively wince just hearing it. Done well, this can actually add a lot of character to your world and help inform and immerse your audience in the culture of your world.Last edited by LudicSavant; 2015-10-14 at 01:10 PM.
Originally Posted by ProsecutorGodot
Nerull | Wee Jas | Olidammara | Erythnul | Hextor | Corellon Larethian | Lolth | The Deep Ones
-
2015-10-14, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2015
- Location
- Earth
Re: Cursing without gods
Perhaps you should reference some great hero from the past who defeated a particularly powerful god.
-
2015-10-14, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2013
- Location
- All the Way
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
"Curse it!" and "Drown it!" and similar expressions having to do with death and other unpleasant things, essentially ill-wishing the subject.
If the gods of this setting are that taboo, "Bless your heart!" could sound rather aggressive.
More elaborately, "May your [flesh] be [eaten] by [wild dogs]," with appropriate substitutions, although not sure that's what you're looking for as an impromptu exclamation.
And there's always Terry Pratchett's advice: 'It takes a very special and strong-minded kind of atheist to jump up and down with their hand clasped under their other armpit and shout, "Oh, random-fluctuations-in-the-space-time-continuum!" or "Aaargh, primitive-and-outmoded-concept on a crutch!”' -- Men at ArmsLast edited by Orm-Embar; 2015-10-14 at 09:26 AM.
-
2015-10-14, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2010
- Location
- Bamako
Re: Cursing without gods
I really don't see the problem. Curses a-plenty in English and otherwise check other languages or cultures.
The 3 non-godly curses most used in French (often in combination: "p... de b... de m...!") reference respectively prostitute/woman of ill repute, house of ill repute, and excrement, and they never get old. Other mean/reference things like filth or dirty woman or intercourse with your mum or well you get the picture*.
In Dutch the equivalent of the c-word is often used, just as a stand alone curse, and sometimes it's "c-word with pears!", but also in a variety of composite words.
More creatively, in Malinké a common curseword is "hyena's arse". You might have a similar animal that is associated with filth.
For positive curses "(by) Fate", "(by my) Wyrd" could be used, or the f-word (as in "F-word, yeah!"). The f-word is almost as versatile as the s-word**.
*"[cursing in French is] like wiping your arse with silk" (The Merovingian, The Matrix trilogy)
** "smurf" of course
-
2015-10-14, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2013
Re: Cursing without gods
-
2015-10-14, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
I consider myself an author first, a GM second and a player third.
The three skill-sets are only tangentially related.
-
2015-10-14, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2005
- Location
- Santa Barbara, CA
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
Well in their culture calling something "divine" would be an insult. "God droppings" as reference to behaviors so wrong that they must have been caused by the pollution of a god.
Also derogatory statements about the target doing to/for the god in a slavish and/or sexual way may be popular.
Things like-"God led" for a fool. Or "God-eyed" for those who can not see what is obvious.
Also behaviors or symbols that are associated with the divinities or priesthoods could be used. Don't even have to be that common as long as the home culture perceives it stereotypically. If kneeling, or kissing the feet of a god is a sign of devotion then "toe breath" would be an insult. Do priest like to wear big headress/hats? "More hat than head" would be someone who takes his nearness to what he gives importance to to mean that he is important and thus a person who thinks too much of himself or his group. Do the worshipers kneel during prayer? A scab knee becomes one who is always asking for help because they can't or are afraid to do things themselves. Calling out any perceived hypocrisy in the divine, priestly, or devout would also make a good start.
Finally foul smelling fruit could be a nice stand in. Just imagine all the Durian flavored insults! A standoffish or rude person has the skin of Durian, Durian breath-etcLast edited by sktarq; 2015-10-14 at 06:26 PM.
-
2015-10-15, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2011
- Location
- the Netherlands
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
Another thing in the Dutch language is diseases as curse words. Typhus, tuberculosis, cholera and even cancer are used frequently. (Although not everybody uses them. If you're just a little bit more civilised you'd use words for excrement, genitals or sexual acts.)
I'd also like to point out that he might use blasphemy for shock value around other cultures. You should try it out on the party cleric...
-
2015-10-16, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2011
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
I have a character from a culture that has hated gods since the nation's founding centuries ago. Finding and killing either a god or cultists worshiping a god is something of a right of passage for martially inclined individuals.
Using that which you hate as profanities.
To give an example: the quebecois use sacres or profanities related to the Catholic church. This originated from the time the people were dissatisfied with the influence of the Catholic church. There are quite a few sacres, and they are sometimes linked together in chains to make it more powerful.
Gruumsh!
Yondalla!
Wee Jas Boccob Nerull!!
-
2015-10-16, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Gender
-
2015-10-16, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2006
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
Are we too highbrow for yo momma? We're probably too highbrow for yo momma.
But insulting ones parentage is an old and time honoured custom. Your father was a shrug! After all, when you asked your mother his name, that's what she did...
If yo momma is off limits, along with its variants, look up old victoriana swears like lackwit or cousinborn.I admit full culpability for Phyrnglsnyx
-
2015-10-16, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2015
- Location
- Canada
Re: Cursing without gods
I just used a fantasy online translator, and ran curse words and words like; hell, kill, death, and bad luck. Worked well.
-
2015-10-19, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
I consider myself an author first, a GM second and a player third.
The three skill-sets are only tangentially related.
-
2015-10-19, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2015
Re: Cursing without gods
"By the cosmos."
"May the universe have mercy on us."
"Thank the ancestors you did."
"Thunderbolts!"
"Super Novas!"
-
2015-10-20, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2013
- Location
- Howard, NY
- Gender
Re: Cursing without gods
Oh, son of a god, that's easy! "Your father was a deity, and you mother smelled of Elder berries."
And what's wrong with "Son of a bitch?" Nothing deity based there, so it could be the same in your character's culture. As others have pointed out there are plenty of curses in our culture and others around our world that are not related to (G|g)od[s]. It would probably be most realish* if you use those a majority of the time, and curses based on how gods are reviled less.
And, strangely, there's one that works just as well for your character as for us real folks, but for the opposite reason: "Gods!"
"Gods take it!" "Godly b--ch!"
(For others in the culture, combining the genitalia or sex acts thing with gods offers many possibilities, but those are not for your character. Imagine being called a god's penis [in more crude language] or a god's whore.)
What about the appearance of the gods themselves? If there is something distinctive in their appearance then that would provide fodder. "Gold skinned SOB" for instance.
* Realistic? No. Just "realish."-- Joe“Shared pain is diminished. Shared joy is increased.”-- Spider RoninsonAnd shared laughter is magical
Always remember that anything posted on the internet is, in a practical if not a legal sense, in the public domain.
You are completely welcome to use anything I post here, or I wouldn't post it.
-
2015-10-20, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2010
- Location
- Bamako
Re: Cursing without gods
"Oh, joy!" (Ironically) (similar ironic expression exists in French "Que du bonheur!" - "Nothing but joy/happiness")
Sometimes there's no evident reason for some words to be used in this way like "mince!" in French (it means meagre, thin, svelte), or "verrek!" in Dutch.
The curses might even be something of which the meaning is lost, or not known by most. Compare English "drat" from "God rot". You're culture might have gotten rid of the god thing, but kept the drat as the connection wasn't obvious to most people anymore.
-
2016-05-11, 11:18 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2016
Re: Cursing without gods
What if they referenced the gods as if they were excrement.
(This suggestion was originally going to be peppered with French profanity but I'll just leave you with a link instead)
-
2016-05-12, 03:04 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2008
Re: Cursing without gods
There's always the option where you take something that forms compound words well, and compound it liberally. First though, a quick reference:
Originally Posted by The_Rules
Damnation is a tricky one, but you might be able to substitute in other difficulties, and "pox" is a word with a wonderful feel to it and Shakespearean precedence here. "Plague" works in similar cases, and while the obvious precedent is "a pox on both your houses", I am seeing some potential taking disease related terms and -bag derivatives. Poxnozzle, plaguebag, puscanoe, leechwhistle, and the rest of their ilk at least give you a reasonably nice set of insults, and poxnozzle is a surprisingly fun word to say. These are going to be exceptionally useless on the positive side,I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
I'm not joking one bit. I would buy the hell out of that. -- ChubbyRain
Current Design Project: Legacy, a game of masters and apprentices for two players and a GM.
-
2016-05-12, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2014
Re: Cursing without gods
"Zealot" could be a bad word in good-hating society, "theist" does as well. Monkcanoe, clericbag, or other such things. God could also work, "god damn you" works surprisingly well.
-
2016-05-12, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2016
Re: Cursing without gods
Pyx, sacrament, tabernacle....
Last edited by Bohandas; 2016-05-12 at 02:54 PM.
-
2016-05-15, 03:55 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2008
Re: Cursing without gods
I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
I'm not joking one bit. I would buy the hell out of that. -- ChubbyRain
Current Design Project: Legacy, a game of masters and apprentices for two players and a GM.
-
2016-05-17, 05:50 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2015
- Location
- Australia
Re: Cursing without gods
I guess you could look into hand gestures as an alternative/complement to offensive exclamations?
Obviously **** and piss etc are always good, but think about giving people the finger in Western culture, the "up yours" V, the Greek mountza/moutza, the "Spanish slap" (punching upwards with an arm while slapping the bicep on said arm with your other hand), some cultures find gesturing with feet to be offensive, etc.
I guess mostly things that are considered unclean, calling into question your parentage or sexual are usually considered as taboo; there's some interesting stuff in the Imperial Radch books about how gesturing, pointing, etc. in most ways in the Radchaii Empire with an ungloved hand (and some ways in gloves) is considered offensive as theres a cultural idea of hands being ritually unclean.Last edited by kraftcheese; 2016-05-17 at 05:51 AM.
-
2016-05-17, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2015
- Location
- Australia
Re: Cursing without gods
Referencing a great hero, ancestor or cultural leader is always good:
In The Left Hand of Darkness everyone swears "by the Milk of Meshe" (Meshe a.k.a Yomeshta being a prophet and scholar with a lot of clout in the culture's history), but you could just as easily have your character shout "king's blood!" when they're surprised or doing a warding sign when something horrible happens or they're nervous; superstition and taboo are quite linked in many cultures (think The Evil Eye) and just because your culture has no gods doesn't mean there's no superstitions or cultural quirks right?