V's Gender Debate IV [Official]

[roy_greenhilt]

Not even the internet knows what V's gender is! Take a look for yourself!

Edit: If you have a slow internet connection, the page is gonna take a while to load.

[silas the monk]

I find that are rather unimpressive website compared to what it appears to promise. Apparently the internet is 100% certain that the sky is blue, but has no opinion over whether the sky is purple. It does not know who Barak Obama is, or -- even more unforgiveably -- who Roy Greenhilt is.

[Kish]

I don't know who Barak Obama is either.

(Now, if you'd asked about Barack Obama...)

[silas the monk]

I don't know who Barak Obama is either.

(Now, if you'd asked about Barack Obama...)

Actually http://www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net does not know with either spelling. http://www.google.co.uk knows to translate barak to barack.

[Optimystik]

He's male.

[Xapi]

Conclusion: The internet doesn't really care about barack obama, according to Google.

[EmperorSarda]

Thankfully it knows Miko is dead.

[The MunchKING]

I don't know who Barak Obama is either.

(Now, if you'd asked about Barack Obama...)

Or Baraka Obama...

[warrl]

I like the suggestion someone made that Vaarsuvius' player was somewhat distracted while filling out the character sheet, and Vaarsuvius' gender is actually, officially, definitively True Neutral.

[DarkElfGangsta]

hey guys, I'm new. So I just have a question:
what supports your theory that V's a girl?
I never knew there was gender confusion until I came to the forums and saw this thread. I'd be intersted if someone showed me a list of "female" indicators about V. I guess he's in a gay relationship, what with adopted children and male looking mate. look at the avatars for female elves drawn by Rich- breasts. V - no breasts. it's 2+5 people.

[Callista]

I think V is either neuter, or his/her gender matters about as little to him/her as a blood type matters to us. (With the exception of transfusions and babies, naturally.) Maybe it's even a private matter.

[Nimrod's Son]

hey guys, I'm new. So I just have a question:
what supports your theory that V's a girl?
I never knew there was gender confusion until I came to the forums and saw this thread. I'd be intersted if someone showed me a list of "female" indicators about V. I guess he's in a gay relationship, what with adopted children and male looking mate. look at the avatars for female elves drawn by Rich- breasts. V - no breasts. it's 2+5 people.

If it's so clear cut, then, how come his own team members can't tell?

[archon_huskie]

Because she has smaller breast and she does not wear form fitting clothing.


And Haley is a half-celestial with her wings cut off.

[Akisa]

He's male.

It shows up as a tie....

[DarkElfGangsta]

If it's so clear cut, then, how come his own team members can't tell?

I thought that it was an "elves are feminine looking har" joke, like the one on
thief in 8bt. also it doesnt matter what V thinks in the context of this forum as we are trying to find his gender. still waiting for the fem reasons list.

[The Dark Fiddler]

still waiting for the fem reasons list.

I'm waiting for a good list for any of the sides (I don't see either side because I've also seen that V is asexual, a hermaphrodite, and 2 V's, one male and one female and they switch out between panels).

I have to say, I didn't know that V's gender was ever in question until I actually noticed it brought up in the comic. After I saw it, it seemed so obvious. Every character whose gender isn't obvious to me (usually reserved for non-anthropomorphic animals), I subconsciously assign a gender. I didn't do that for V.

[DarkElfGangsta]

I'm waiting for a good list for any of the sides (I don't see either side because I've also seen that V is asexual, a hermaphrodite, and 2 V's, one male and one female and they switch out between panels).

I have to say, I didn't know that V's gender was ever in question until I actually noticed it brought up in the comic. After I saw it, it seemed so obvious. Every character whose gender isn't obvious to me (usually reserved for non-anthropomorphic animals), I subconsciously assign a gender. I didn't do that for V.

so you instinctively thought that there are 2 Vs? you read through a comic and went " oh yeah that oone's a hermaphrodite, or 2 diff ppl, no doubt there!" no one thought of tthe herm explanation or the 2 Vs explanation before they came to the forum. cmon dude.

[The Dark Fiddler]

I'll agree with you on the 2 V's, that was a joke theory, after all.

Still, I can't say the same of V being a Hermaphrodite. I actually thought it was a very reasonable explanation before I signed up. Nothing on the forum has yet to make me think less of that specific chance.

[DarkElfGangsta]

out of interest, what gave you the hermaphrodite interpretation?
I think it's pretty intersting how everyone interprets him differently...
I wonder what psychologists would have to say bout this?
(freud: YOU WANT TO BE WITH YO MAMAAAA)

[The Dark Fiddler]

Nothing in particular.

Probably the fact that I was listening to Weird Al's Albuquerque a lot that day, which had stuck the term in my head, even though it only shows up once in the song.

Still, I don't really see any side having more evidence that the others, so I generally, when talking about V, switch gender pronouns every time I talk about him. Unless it's about a certain fanfic/comic/theory, then I use whatever she's referred to as there.

[Nimrod's Son]

I thought that it was an "elves are feminine looking har" joke, like the one on
thief in 8bt. also it doesnt matter what V thinks in the context of this forum as we are trying to find his gender.

You might be. I'm sure as hell not. V's gender is ambiguous and will always remain so; we have word of god on that.

[J.J.J-H-Schmidt]

V is not male or female... V is pat. that is the whole point of being V and/or pat. the pat reference can lend itself to you like this. pat was played by a female actor who looked masculine, while pat's mate chris was played by a male actor who looked feminine, just like V and (s)he'(s?) mate. but why? because that is the character concept.

if you think V is male, then she is obviously female.

if you think V is female, then he is obviously male.

the iocaine powder was in both goblets... the only way you are wrong in this debate is to pick one over the other. inconcievable, i know, but there you have it.

enjoyed the debate though. tried very hard to be politically correct... which i think just adds more to the whole humor of the character and genius of the creator in the frist place

[Fernando_]

For some reason I was quite sure V was male before I started reading the forums and found out there was a discussion about it.
I had read the entire comic about 3 times and never noticed it... which should really say something about me

In any case, I guess since the Giant said we'll never know, it's settled.
Unless of course there are any vengeful ex-girlfriends of his to shed some light to us

But then again, maybe he doesnt share that information with anyone at all.

[DarkElfGangsta]

gah! okay you guys, V is without gender till the giant gives a word about it.
What I originally asked was, what made you percieve hime/her/it as female?. I just think it is interesting to see how people percieve V's gender differently.

[derfenrirwolv]

gah! okay you guys, V is without gender till the giant gives a word about it.
What I originally asked was, what made you perceive him/her/it as female?. I just think it is interesting to see how people perceive V's gender differently.

The evidence for V being female is

All the guys got one room. V and Haley get another. They appear to be separated by gender, which would make V female.

Yes, its possible that He's VERY happily married, or too much of an elven supremacist for sleeping with a human to even register, but the indication is still there.

The succubus who switches genders a lot referred to V as female.

In the dragon magazine comic, there was an apricot scented exfoliating gel that Roy wanted to give to Haley.. V got mildly miffed. He could be female, gay, or European elven.

[sparkyinbozo]

gah! okay you guys, V is without gender till the giant gives a word about it.
What I originally asked was, what made you percieve hime/her/it as female?. I just think it is interesting to see how people percieve V's gender differently.

Heya...I am a psych grad student, thought I'd weigh in here. People just associate V's traits/actions they see as fitting with their world views or experience (such as never having seen a female wizard, so V must be male).

Personally, I thought V was female for a while due to the closeness with Hailey and to balance out the male:female ratio. Now I've gotta say I see V as a gay male (who falls into "Androgynous" vs. masculine/feminine) because of Kyrie seeming male and having adopted kids, and also because:

1. Studies show gay males tend to be more verbose than average
2. It's not uncommon for gay guys to have something to "prove," by obtaining supreme magic power in V's case
3. It explains how V and Hailey would've established a close friendship quickly.

[NothingButCake]

Some of that was not so much psychology as much as stereotyping and armchair speculation.

[IPERTM]

*sigh*
The only way to answer this question is to ask V,
Good luck, bring a shield spell for the quickened indignant disintegrate.

[lio45]

If it's so clear cut, then, how come his own team members can't tell?

Yes, but it's not all of them who can't tell: Roy calls him "man" in this early comic.

Something that, of course, we'll never see again... but still, it WAS actually done.

[Nimrod's Son]

Yes, but it's not all of them who can't tell: Roy calls him "man" in this early comic.

Something that, of course, we'll never see again... but still, it WAS actually done.

That strip was written before Rich decided to make V ambiguous, so its canonicity is dubious. But in On the Origin of PCs, it becomes clear that Roy's just as confused as anyone else.

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When Vaarsuvius hands Roy his application, there is a large ink blot covering V's answer to the "gender" question. Roy asks V to write it in the margin and V replies that the quill is broken and he doesn't want to risk spilling ink on his robe, so would Roy mind filling it in for him?

There is an awkward pause while Roy looks V over, then he replies, "Right, you know what? It's not important. Moving on...".