V's Gender Debate IV [Official]

[Kewpa]

There isn't much of a reason to reveal V's gender, since this web comic is above all comedic in nature. It wouldn't be very funny if they revealed his/her's gender, unless Rich wrote a *very* clever joke around it. Not that that's not within Mr. Burlew's grasp...

Though, from strip 1 I've always imagined him as male. I have no particular reason.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

V is DEFINITELY female!

[Amon Star]

V is DEFINITELY female!

Care to expand on that statement?

[ZerglingOne]

All jokes in the comic aside. I have arrived at the conclusion that Vaarsuvius is female. Why? Well, we have everyone's favorite psychotic halfling to thank for that. V was at least partially correct when she came up with the "Belkar only has lust and hate" theory. Belkar has shown time and time again that he is 100% capable of discerning people by their scent. He is also capable of sniffing out a whore house which would likely smell reminiscent of female. (and other things )

Also, marked in DStP, there is a dark green line between V and Belkar indicating a "wants to shtup/shtupping." Belkar has also shown he is straight (and narrow for that matter) and thus would not desire a male. V is therefore female.

[Kish]

This hinges on the belief that Belkar knows what sex Vaarsuvius is, which he's established that he doesn't.

[Zanaril]

This hinges on the belief that Belkar knows what sex Vaarsuvius is, which he's established that he doesn't.

Maybe it's because of conflicting signals? Maybe V smells female, but Belkar thinks V looks and acts more like a male?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Please note in comic 252 nale calls V an "elf chic", V's spouse looks male (629 is a good example) and unless they are a gay couple than that is a good case, V rooms with haley and since haly likes elan than that further enforces that V is female.

[Asta Kask]

Please note in comic 252 nale calls V an "elf chic", V's spouse looks male (629 is a good example) and unless they are a gay couple than that is a good case, V rooms with haley and since haly likes elan than that further enforces that V is female.

The Giant has said that other people react to their perceptions of V's gender, which is not the same as V's actual gender. And they may well be a gay couple - they have adopted kids, after all.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

You know what? I've changed my mind.
V is a gay male.

[licoot]

You know what? I've changed my mind.
V is a gay male.

then why did she stay in a room with Haley when they stay at that hotel with miko, shes a woman

[Kish]

Haley does not know what sex Vaarsuvius is. Neither does Nale, Sabine, Belkar, or anyone else who has referred to him/her with one particular sex onstage.

[Petrocorus]

then why did she stay in a room with Haley when they stay at that hotel with miko, shes a woman

Seriously, can you stop bringing this argument. This mean nothing. I replied to this argument just on last page, and i was not the first one at all.

[Wreckingrocc]

Vaarsuvius =

= Male

Therefore, Vaarsuvius = Male.

Secondly, the elven gender debate is never funny when it's about females. It's far funnier to make fun of them as effeminate males than effeminate, if slightly ambiguous, females.

[Lord Bingo]

Elves are gay.

[TheMinxTail]

Well, I wrote a novel wherein the strongest wizard in the world, while being born male (though being too mentally ancient despite appearance to remember that fact) was actually without a gender. At some point, he had invoked a ritual that made wiped all signs of gender, and even much of his humanity in time, from his soul, allowing him more neutral access to his magic. The reason I went with that as part of his backstory is because many cultures have percieved the soul to optimally be in balance when identity, particularly gender, is neutral - all and yet nothing - such as how many of the Egyptian gods, at leats the ones that were more nigh-all powerful or had very broadly defined domains, were hermaphadites. Perhaps the same is with Vaarsuvius. I haven't read Origin of the PCs, though I doubt either way that V pulled off such experiments in his/her youth, but mostly elves are regarded as most proficient with magic in any campaign setting, and I'm not sure if a single elf so far in OOTS has had a clear gender (maybe I should read it for a third time, but just look at V's family). For all we know, elves produce asexually!

"But MinxTail, what about that Pompei the Half-Elf?" Okay, maybe all elves are a bit of both. I don't know, ask the people who make bad fanfiction, those guys are genius at figuring out the 'subtext' that matches their narrative.

[TheMinxTail]

Elves are gay.

[lio45]

Please note in comic 252 nale calls V an "elf chic"

OK... so you did manage to miss that Comic 252's reference to V is ALL ABOUT the fact that, in the same conversation, Nale calls V an elf chick and Sabine calls V an elf dude, all of that casually.

:facepalm:

Try reading the comic, then you can lecture us on the contents.

[Asta Kask]

then why did she stay in a room with Haley when they stay at that hotel with miko, shes a woman

Because she would rather stick her hand into a hornet's nest than spend the night in the same room as Miko? Gay V looking at her ta-tas means nothing. Miko spending the night chanting and burning incense does.

[Vulkan]

I'm going to say V is a she due to the fact a demonic lower plain force... eer demon referred to V as a she and I think I will side with he being a de-monic force...

Now pardon me I think there is a bee buzzing about and it's annoying me.

[Bartonar]

She, i say without brackets, must be a she, since... remember waaay back at the inn? i can't remember the strip number at the time. Hayley and V. were in the same room. Essentially, when you plan rooming arrangements, its all the guys in 1 room, all the girls in another. People in relationships/wedlock are an exception.

Eventually there will be some form of TV show based off the strips, then we WILL know.

[Bartonar]

Because she would rather stick her hand into a hornet's nest than spend the night in the same room as Miko? Gay V looking at her ta-tas means nothing. Miko spending the night chanting and burning incense does.

No. V isnt Gay regardless.

[Methuzeld]

Personally, I've thought V to be a "she" this whole time. There's certainly a lot of evidence for V being a "he", but there is also some for V being a "she" as well. It's up to Rich to give the verdict, though that's not likely since there's still comedy to milk from the neutral gender concepts.

[Amon Star]

No. V isnt Gay regardless.

And why, pray tell, do you find that suggestion so offensive?

[Petrocorus]

She, i say without brackets, must be a she, since... remember waaay back at the inn? i can't remember the strip number at the time. Hayley and V. were in the same room. Essentially, when you plan rooming arrangements, its all the guys in 1 room, all the girls in another. People in relationships/wedlock are an exception.

Did you even read this page?

For the OotS' sake , can someone explain why so many people think that the fact that V rooms with Haley is an obvious definitive absolute evidence that V is a woman despite all the replies that have already been made about this?

[hihidude]

All jokes in the comic aside. I have arrived at the conclusion that Vaarsuvius is female. Why? Well, we have everyone's favorite psychotic halfling to thank for that. V was at least partially correct when she came up with the "Belkar only has lust and hate" theory. Belkar has shown time and time again that he is 100% capable of discerning people by their scent. He is also capable of sniffing out a whore house which would likely smell reminiscent of female. (and other things )

Also, marked in DStP, there is a dark green line between V and Belkar indicating a "wants to shtup/shtupping." Belkar has also shown he is straight (and narrow for that matter) and thus would not desire a male. V is therefore female.

I always wondered about that. It gave a really big hint. However, i came to the same conclusion a different way that everyone here will probably shoot down. I am a very big Watersmurf fan. She has fanfictions out about Redcloak/Vaarsuvius and V gets pregnant. I think that that implies feminity even if it is not author written. Oh of course there is a way to counter everyones assumptions. The ambiguous gender card in The OotS Adventure Game

[Nimrod's Son]

It gave a really big hint.

Rich has NEVER given anything that can be considered a "hint", because he's going out of his way to make it as ambiguous as possible. Belkar's attraction to V means nothing, because Belkar doesn't know what sex V is. That line tells us more about Belkar than it does about V.

I am a very big Watersmurf fan. She has fanfictions out about Redcloak/Vaarsuvius and V gets pregnant. I think that that implies feminity even if it is not author written.

Watersmurf is a poster on these boards like the rest of us; she doesn't have access to the author's thought process. She's decided that V is female for the purposes of her own fanfiction, but that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. However popular her character of V's child has become (and from the casual glances at the CP thread that I've taken, that does seem to be quite popular), that character simply does not exist in the OotS universe. There is no way we're ever going to see a pregnant V in the comic, because the very concept goes against everything Rich has spent so long establishing.

Did you even read this page?

For the OotS' sake , can someone explain why so many people think that the fact that V rooms with Haley is an obvious definitive absolute evidence that V is a woman despite all the replies that have already been made about this?

Sadly, there are altogether too many posters here who think that stating their own opinion is a LOT more important than reading what others have to say.

[lio45]

I am a very big Watersmurf fan. She has fanfictions out about Redcloak/Vaarsuvius and V gets pregnant.

Well, I'm a big lio45 fan, and he thinks V is male. So there you go.

Nimrod's Son, I wouldn't say never, and especially not in caps. Rich started going out of his way to make V as ambiguously-gendered as possible only a while after the comic was started. There actually ARE hints...

[Petrocorus]

Sadly, there are altogether too many posters here who think that stating their own opinion is a LOT more important than reading what others have to say.

I personally indulge myself with the 40 pages of this thread before posting in it. Specifically to avoid saying something that as already been said.
I don't expect everybody to do this, but they don't even read the very page they are posting in, that's exaggerated, i believe. I really get annoyed by this since the last page.

And i would be totally open to discuss on this particular point if anyone was, y'know, bringing any argument on.

[Deca]

I always wondered about that. It gave a really big hint. However, i came to the same conclusion a different way that everyone here will probably shoot down. I am a very big Watersmurf fan. She has fanfictions out about Redcloak/Vaarsuvius and V gets pregnant. I think that that implies feminity even if it is not author written.

I see. Yes, it does imply feminity. But only in Watersmurf's fics. As you yourself pointed out, they're not author written. I fail to see how you drew the line between something in a fanfic to actual canon.

[Nimrod's Son]

Nimrod's Son, I wouldn't say never, and especially not in caps. Rich started going out of his way to make V as ambiguously-gendered as possible only a while after the comic was started. There actually ARE hints...

I meant since he decided to make V gender-ambiguous, obviously. But really, anything before that is no more a "hint" than him "hinting" that Belkar is male. It's not like he was handing out cryptic little clues; things were just meant to be taken at face value.

After he decided on ambiguity, he's gone to great lengths to keep it that way. Although I'm not sure exactly why you're pointing this out to me anyway - it's hardly news. It wasn't very long ago that you and I were talking about this same point, just a few pages back, remember?