V's Gender Debate IV [Official]

[Shadoww0lf]

I know I'm late to this. (Heck, I'm flat out late with joining the forums here period!) My two cents has always been that V is a she.

My reasoning: Strip 123 where V and Haley are being overheard by the guys next door. I also like to think it keeps with the Giant's tendency to break stereotypes such as a Chaotic Evil Ranger as a protagonist and a Lawful Good Paladin as an antagonist. Killing the (seemingly) main character for an entire book. It seems that a power hungry female elf would be something that breaks the mold of what I think of as typical for fantasy settings and elves. Of course, that's probably more my perception than anything else.

Now watch, I'll end up completely wrong and look like I have feet in my mouth if/when V is revealed to be a guy!

[TheMac04]

When I first started reading the strip, I assumed V was male. I was actually surprised when I found out that people were confused by his gender. And when Inky got involved, I saw her as female. Their children also both appeared to have clearly established genders to me. In general, I just always thought of them that way. That's the way they look to me.

[Amon Star]

V seems to have a female personality. Strong feelings for family,

Are you aware of how sexist that is?

Yes, but I assume that it doesn't apply to high elves.

Why not?

[BridgeCity]

Are you aware of how sexist that is?

Seconded. I really don't like the assumption that caring for your family is a female personality trait, it's offensive.

As for my two cents, I've always seen V as female, it's just what I assumed when I began reading, and nothing has come along to force a change of view for me.

[TheMac04]

Hooray for unwaranted sexism!

[Cizak]

V seems to have a female personality. Strong feelings for family.

Oh yes, very strong feelings for the family. Panel 3 and 4. Or did you mean positive feelings?

And yeah, that was a really sexist statement.

[Nimrod's Son]

It does seem like about 75% of the reasons why people think V is whichever gender comes down to sexist nonsense.

To be honest, I have no idea why I keep clicking on this thread. I know full well that V's sex will never be revealed and I'm perfectly happy with that. I myself have no opinion either way and I have no interest in finding out what everyone else's are.

Just rubbernecking, most likely.

[TheMac04]

It does seem like about 75% of the reasons why people think V is whichever gender comes down to sexist nonsense.

To be honest, I have no idea why I keep clicking on this thread. I know full well that V's sex will never be revealed and I'm perfectly happy with that. I myself have no opinion either way and I don't care what everyone else's are.

Just rubbernecking, most likely.

I disagree, I think it's really based on what they immediately think of when they see him.

Is there a word that means the opposite of Devil's Advocate?

[Nimrod's Son]

I disagree, I think it's really based on what they immediately think of when they see him.

I'm guessing you haven't read the whole thread then. Or the three that came before it.

Is there a word that means the opposite of Devil's Advocate?

Devil's Opponent? Angel's Advocate?

[TheMac04]

I'm guessing you haven't read the whole thread then. Or the three that came before it.

Nah, I'm lazy like that. So okay, changed my mind, people suck. Oh well.

Devil's Opponent? Angel's Advocate?

I like Angel's Advocate. It's got a nice ring, and alliteration never hurt anyone.

[veti]

Is there a word that means the opposite of Devil's Advocate?

There is such a role as "God's advocate".

But since his (it's always a he) role is to argue with the Devil's Advocate, it might be seen as a self-defeating position to take in this context.

[TheMac04]

There is such a role as "God's advocate".

But since his (it's always a he) role is to argue with the Devil's Advocate, it might be seen as a self-defeating position to take in this context.

Good thing I'm too stupid to care!

Oh hey, didn't we have a topic at some point....?

[Nimrod's Son]

Oh hey, didn't we have a topic at some point....?

Right you are.

*clears throat*

I think V is a woman because he wears a dress.

[TheMac04]

Right you are.

*clears throat*

I think V is a woman because he wears a dress.

There was some much conflicting logic in that sentence that I think I just lost a brain cell.

[Rin_Hunter]

I think V is a woman because he wears a dress.

I can name at least 3 guys I know that wear dressed, deary. And that's called a "robe" that V wears.

I've always thought that V was male. Just looking at him in the first panel of the first comic made me think "Ok, so there's the Elf Wizard and he's casting a spell."

Let's not get on to what I think of Elves and Arcane magic as a sterotype and how the fluff of the Elves makes me think Druid rather than Wizard and how I hate every example of Elf Wizards except V whom I love.

[TheMac04]

I can name at least 3 guys I know that wear dressed, deary. And that's called a "robe" that V wears.

I've always thought that V was male. Just looking at him in the first panel of the first comic made me think "Ok, so there's the Elf Wizard and he's casting a spell."

Let's not get on to what I think of Elves and Arcane magic as a sterotype and how the fluff of the Elves makes me think Druid rather than Wizard and how I hate every example of Elf Wizards except V whom I love.

Awww....damn.

[Rin_Hunter]

Awww....damn.

Are you an Elf Wizard, by any chance?

I hate them as a concept, not individually, I suppose it would be better to say.

[TheMac04]

Are you an Elf Wizard, by any chance?

I hate them as a concept, not individually, I suppose it would be better to say.

Yeah, I like elves because I've never really understood why someone would want to roleplay a human. You already are a human, I assume, so I never got that. To each his own, I suppose. And wizards are just cool.

[Laeranu]

Taken from TheJet31619
Ok, I'm going to show my points of why V is a female. One, V hangs out with Haley. And V could be the girlfriend of Haley that she shares her secrets with V. Two, V loves to drag out speeches. Most to all females love to talk and seem to never stop, you should hear my girlfriend *::). (That's not a bad thing, I still love you sweetie :-*) And in "On the Origins of the PCs." and when V breaks the table, Roy says that V is hired. And V says "Bah!! You are clearly only hiring me because I intimidated you intellectually, to the point where your masculine *pride requires you to establish your dominance over my superior mind." *Because a lot of women feel that they are smarter men and that men have dominance over them. So with that, V must be a female.

Brilliant!!!

Jet, you're a genius

V says '... your masculine pride ...' insulting males, which means if she was male she would be insulting herself. And I think that V has way too much pride in herself to ever do that.

Therefore, V must be FEMALE!!!

[Rin_Hunter]

Brilliant!!!

Jet, you're a genius

V says '... your masculine pride ...' insulting males, which means if she was male she would be insulting herself. And I think that V has way too much pride in herself to ever do that.

Therefore, V must be FEMALE!!!

Actually, I think it's less about male and female and more a jab at the way male humans' minds work.

While there appears in OotS to be no gender divide between aggresiveness in males and females, V is assuming that Roy follows standard human rules and that the males will always try to be the best and most aggresive, keeping themselves on top.

[TheMac04]

Actually, I think it's less about male and female and more a jab at the way male humans' minds work.

While there appears in OotS to be no gender divide between aggresiveness in males and females, V is assuming that Roy follows standard human rules and that the males will always try to be the best and most aggresive, keeping themselves on top.

V just thinks humans are stupid.

[Rin_Hunter]

V just thinks humans are stupid.

More to the point, he thinks that humans (and probably other races) act on more basic instincts than higher thoughts.

Because Elves are racist.

[TheMac04]

More to the point, he thinks that humans (and probably other races) act on more basic instincts than higher thoughts.

Because Elves are racist.

Elves are probably justifiably racist in most settings. Most of the time, the elves just ARE better.

[Rin_Hunter]

Elves are probably justifiably racist in most settings. Most of the time, the elves just ARE better.

Dragons are justifiably racist. Elves are not.

[TheMac04]

Dragons are justifiably racist. Elves are not.

Probably not in the OotS world, no. In a lot of other settings, they are. But here, the elves are humans are pretty much on the same level, as far as we know.

[guolin]

I don't try to guess V's gender, since I know it's all just a joke. (although, I thought he was male all the way up to the part where Nale called him a chick) However, I just have to post this:

#365

In the second-to-last panel, it seems that V isn't surprised that "Elan" (Nale) was making out with the police officer (Sabine) - he was just a bit annoyed - possibly implying a homosexual overtone? Again, I have no personal view on this since it's all just a joke by Rich, but if you want to use this strip for your arguments, go ahead.

[Rin_Hunter]

I don't try to guess V's gender, since I know it's all just a joke. (although, I thought he was male all the way up to the part where Nale called him a chick) However, I just have to post this:

#365

In the second-to-last panel, it seems that V isn't surprised that "Elan" (Nale) was making out with the police officer (Sabine) - he was just a bit annoyed - possibly implying a homosexual overtone? Again, I have no personal view on this since it's all just a joke by Rich, but if you want to use this strip for your arguments, go ahead.

I'm pretty sure that most people who think that V is male also think that Inky is male... So, yeah.

All in all, V's attitude toward homosexuality doesn't mean much for his own sex. Maybe Elves are just very accepting in the way that most humans aren't.

[TheMac04]

I'm pretty sure that most people who think that V is male also think that Inky is male... So, yeah.

All in all, V's attitude toward homosexuality doesn't mean much for his own sex. Maybe Elves are just very accepting in the way that most humans aren't.

Not me, but I'm an idiot.

[Rin_Hunter]

Not me, but I'm an idiot.

You think Inky is female? I honestly saw male instantly.

Side-note: At least we're kinda back on topic

[TheMac04]

You think Inky is female? I honestly saw male instantly.

Side-note: At least we're kinda back on topic

Yeah, totally. When I first saw her, I imnediately thought that it was over. V was clearly male to me, and Inky was clearly female to me. Maybe I'm just weird.