Age of Sigmar: Points and Handbooks

[9mm]

Honestly considering dropping my Skelehorde and picking up a different allegiance/army as I just can't figure out how to make a tarpit army work when every other army seems to have Keyword: ignore tarpit. I had hope for some Shadespire love but the Sepulchral Guard are just skeleton warriors. If the only way to play Death well is glass cannon Vampire Calvary, it's time to move on.

[Requizen]

You definitely need a hammer in a Death army, I don't think it's possible to just go pure horde and hope to do anything. Are you running something like a Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist/Mortarch?

[9mm]

You definitely need a hammer in a Death army, I don't think it's possible to just go pure horde and hope to do anything. Are you running something like a Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist/Mortarch?

nope was really hoping I didn't need one. At the same time, I'm not sure having a single unit that must be alpha'd solves Death's systemic problems.

Spoiler: what I have

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necromancer
Wight king
grave guard 30
skelly war 40
hexwraith 5
spirit host 3
sepical G
vamp lord
Cairn wraith 2 (Why Are they LEADERS?)

Quick math check says I can fit an terrogiest easily by going to 1500.

[Requizen]

nope was really hoping I didn't need one. At the same time, I'm not sure having a single unit that must be alpha'd solves Death's systemic problems.

Spoiler: what I have

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necromancer
Wight king
grave guard 30
skelly war 40
hexwraith 5
spirit host 3
sepical G
vamp lord
Cairn wraith 2 (Why Are they LEADERS?)

Quick math check says I can fit an terrogiest easily by going to 1500.

Yeah having a power unit does open you up to alpha strikes, but since you are Death, you have the best bubblewrap in the game and your big nasties have a free defensive boost (if not multiple). You might be able to get away with a no big nasty list, but Death also lacks hard punching foot dudes, unless you're summoning Morghasts, which is actually not a bad plan in many ways.

VLoZD, AGKoTG, or a Mortarch are all good hammers. Heck, my theoretical Death purchase would take 2 mounted generic Heroes just so I can hit both sides of the board or have a serious spearpoint. Blood Knights can also do the trick, though you've expressed your dislike. 6-9 man blocks of Horrors/Vargheists/Flayers can also be solid picks for that, and they can combo with things pretty well.

[9mm]

Yeah having a power unit does open you up to alpha strikes, but since you are Death, you have the best bubblewrap in the game and your big nasties have a free defensive boost (if not multiple). You might be able to get away with a no big nasty list, but Death also lacks hard punching foot dudes, unless you're summoning Morghasts, which is actually not a bad plan in many ways.

VLoZD, AGKoTG, or a Mortarch are all good hammers. Heck, my theoretical Death purchase would take 2 mounted generic Heroes just so I can hit both sides of the board or have a serious spearpoint. Blood Knights can also do the trick, though you've expressed your dislike. 6-9 man blocks of Horrors/Vargheists/Flayers can also be solid picks for that, and they can combo with things pretty well.

*insert grumbling about being only able to take 30 grave guard here*

My issue really could be summed up as "doesn't play Flesh Eater Courts". For now though it's time to figure out how to magnetize the TerrorGiest/undead dragon and see how things improve.

[Requizen]

5 games into Shadespire so far, less than I'd want but getting a good feel for the game.

Played Stormcast and Orruks. Stormcast feel strong but losing one model is so devastating and there are lots of fighters that can reach 4 damage attacks with upgrades. I'm trying out a defensive deck for them, playing back and forcing aggressive armies to come in. However I think it would be weak to more mobile defensive decks, like Objective based Khorne.

Orruks are so good. Just seem to have it all - good stats, strong Faction Ploys and Objectives, and Ironskull himself is nearly impossible to stop with 5 wounds and getting upgraded. I'd probably play them if they weren't the most played faction around here.

There's a couple events this weekend and I think I'm gonna try Khorne or Skellies. I love my Stormcast models but I don't think they're my playstyle, and the other two seem really interesting.

In the AoS world, the other weekend I hosted a one day tourney with 12 people and actually got to play! Brought my Aetherstrike and went 2-1. The damage output is obscene, but the mobility and flexibility is just so low that if your opponent can play around you it's sorta hard to win. I feel like the list is strong it just feels much harder to pilot than, say, Skyborne.

[9mm]

which Mixed Death would you rather run:

Spoiler: list 1

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grave guard 10 160
grave guard 10 160
wight king 1 120
zombie dragon w/ ghoul king 1 440
hexwraiths 5 160
skely warriors 20 160
skely warriors 20 160
vampire lord 1 140
total= 1500pts

Spoiler: List 2

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grave guard 15 240
grave guard 15 240
wight king 1 120
zombie dragon w/ ghoul king 1 440
skely warriors 20 160
skely warriors 20 160
vampire lord 1 140
total =1500pts

[Requizen]

Hm, I tend to like larger blocks for Death, and I don't rate Hexwraiths at anything other than Objective grabbers, so I'd say probably the one with 2x15 Grave Guard? I don't think the less effective blocks of dudes is worth the off chance that your one unit of speedy horses will get an objective.

On the other hand, they can flank important backline units like Artillery or squishy Wizards, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd try out the one with the Hexwraiths and if they don't pull their weight over a couple games, just ditch em. Everything else looks good imo, except why the Gould King on Zombie Dragon? Out of the 3 mounted Heroes that kit can make imo that one is the weakest, but I don't have a huge amount of experience with it.

[9mm]

Hm, I tend to like larger blocks for Death, and I don't rate Hexwraiths at anything other than Objective grabbers, so I'd say probably the one with 2x15 Grave Guard? I don't think the less effective blocks of dudes is worth the off chance that your one unit of speedy horses will get an objective.

On the other hand, they can flank important backline units like Artillery or squishy Wizards, so maybe I'm wrong. I'd try out the one with the Hexwraiths and if they don't pull their weight over a couple games, just ditch em. Everything else looks good imo, except why the Gould King on Zombie Dragon? Out of the 3 mounted Heroes that kit can make imo that one is the weakest, but I don't have a huge amount of experience with it.

I wanted a dragon, an ghoul king has the better health point replenishment.

Also apparently Wisconsin is on the east coast.

[Requizen]

I wanted a dragon, an ghoul king has the better health point replenishment.

Also apparently Wisconsin is on the east coast.

"It's further east than Las Vegas, right?"

Turns out USA doesn't have a monopoly on stupid ideas about foreign geography.

[Drasius]

"It's further east than Las Vegas, right?"

Turns out USA doesn't have a monopoly on stupid ideas about foreign geography.

They obviously moved it since the last time the English were there...

[9mm]

Malign Portents Facebook teaser

may this lead to more than 4 models and a champaign book.

And a shiny new countdown site

[Requizen]

Shiny new countdown site indeed! Sometime on Jan 3?

I've honestly been thinking of starting a Death army (mostly Soulblight because non-tween Vampires are cool) and this is really getting me excited!

[Requizen]

I'm still trying to figure out my LVO list. I personally really like Skyborne Slayers since I really got into Stormcast to play a hard Alpha Strike army, but I think Aetherstrike is probably the stronger army out there right now, especially with many people building their forces to defend against Alphas.

Mainly I'm worried about Tzeentch. The Changehost + Gaunt Summoner + 9 Skyfires list I think is almost unbeatable, it basically competes in every phase of the game with little to no problem and doesn't have a single linchpin unit that you can kill - while killing the LoC shuts down the Changehost, the Skyfires are still strong. Killing the Shaman and maybe a unit of Skyfires will slow down the ranged damage, but then he can flood the objective with Horrors and still has a Gaunt on Balewind. I think the best play is try to gib the Gaunt and cripple the LoC as much as possible, and then just eat some Skyfire shooting while getting objectives. It's really quite painful for my Stormcast, since those multi-damage attacks can quickly mess up an entire unit with little to no comeback potential.

I really want to put my Stardrake in a tourney list, but there's enough out there that can blast him to paste in one turn that I'm quite shying away from it.

[9mm]

Surprise, surprise, the new order model is a Sigmarine. The Emperor?

[Requizen]

His ability is pretty garbage. If the only difference between him and the regular Celestant is trading Command Abilities and trading the Cloak for the Shield, hard pass. +3" is nice but it doesn't actually work with most of the Stormcast army since he's on foot.

[9mm]

His ability is pretty garbage. If the only difference between him and the regular Celestant is trading Command Abilities and trading the Cloak for the Shield, hard pass. +3" is nice but it doesn't actually work with most of the Stormcast army since he's on foot.

insert grumbling about how we still know nothing about the knight of shades here.

[Requizen]

I'm beginning to learn the beauty of allies. At first I thought Stormcast were fine by themselves, and they mostly are, but you know what helps a super elite army? 50 to 80 Skinks.

Also looking to move away from Battalions. Aetherstrike is really strong but also has some serious limitations. Same with Skyborne.

[Requizen]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/24/new-champion-revealed-fungoid-cave-shaman/

Grot Champion for Destruction! Was not expecting that, 100% was ready for another Ironjawz dude.

[9mm]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/24/new-champion-revealed-fungoid-cave-shaman/

Grot Champion for Destruction! Was not expecting that, 100% was ready for another Ironjawz dude.

Good old goblins tripping on mushrooms. That said I note the present has combination of sigmar and 40k symbols on the tag, bet it's a demon.

[Requizen]

Good old goblins tripping on mushrooms. That said I note the present has combination of sigmar and 40k symbols on the tag, bet it's a demon.

That's just the Warhammer Community logo iirc

[Requizen]

NURGLE

https://youtu.be/JPmbsRqlyng

[Requizen]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...mepage-post-3/

GUO, but also Battletome: Maggotkin of Nurgle! If it's anything like Blades of Khorne or Disciples of Tzeentch, it's going to be freaking awesome.

[Vaz]

I do like the Rotigus model.

[9mm]

So Battleforce: Blades of the Blood Queen comes with a war-scroll battalion, but no point costs for it. Guess getting +2 attacks with Neferata when near The Morghast Archai is free?

Interesting tidbit from the battletome announcement video The Glotkin are worried about Nagash it seems. Malign Portents may very well be Nagash and Nurgle going at it.

[Yaktan]

If there is no cost for a battalion, then you cannot use it in games that use points. This includes most of the ones that come with box sets.

[9mm]

If there is no cost for a battalion, then you cannot use it in games that use points. This includes most of the ones that come with box sets.

phooey. going from 8+ drops to 3 would have been fun.

[Requizen]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...pion-revealed/


Aaaand it's a Stormcast.

Look, I play Stormcast (even in Shadespire, though not as much as Skeletons). I love the aesthetics. I get that they're the "main characters" much like Space Marines are.

But could we go one release without one? I'm not surprised, I'm just disappointed.

[9mm]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/...pion-revealed/


Aaaand it's a Stormcast.

Look, I play Stormcast (even in Shadespire, though not as much as Skeletons). I love the aesthetics. I get that they're the "main characters" much like Space Marines are.

But could we go one release without one? I'm not surprised, I'm just disappointed.

stormcast hero, yawn.

yet another video that mentions stuff happening in Shayesh, YES!

[9mm]

So they're re doing the Grand Alliance: Death and hinted at new models, I'm ok with this