OOTS #1103 - The Discussion Thread

[Quebbster]

Since all of my posts to date seem to have been ignored,
I'll just try saying this again:

Since no vamps in mist form can get in or out, it would be fair to assume no air can either...
So 34 hours without fresh air is not going to be ideal for retaining their stats.

The Cage is magic. It can absolutely let in fresh air without letting non-fresh air in. Because it is magic. It doesn't need to make sense.

[Dogcula]

Quick question to add from a non-DD player; Does V have to be the one to dismiss the forcecage, and would it still cost him a round if someone else broke it? Elan has greater dispel magic as a spell, is that enough to work or does it require something stronger?

[georgie_leech]

Quick question to add from a non-DD player; Does V have to be the one to dismiss the forcecage, and would it still cost him a round if someone else broke it? Elan has greater dispel magic as a spell, is that enough to work or does it require something stronger?

Yes, it has to be V that Dismisses it; no, it breaking doesn't cost V the round; yes, you need something stronger than GDM to break it.

[Dr.Zero]

Probably a naive question, but what does give Roy that ability?

His sword, apparently. Which healed him completely at some point, while Roy was fighting Durkula.
Honestly I cannot be sure if it removes negative levels, because right now we have seen that V has been drained and visually there is no sign of it.
But surely enough if Roy have had still something like 3-4 negative levels, he would have said something about it.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Honestly I cannot be sure if it removes negative levels, because right now we have seen that V has been drained and visually there is no sign of it.

Given how inventive Rich has been when coming to show battle damage in stick figures, I am rather surprised he didn't come up with a way to show level drain. Given that it is a form of life-force drain, I think it would've been cool if he had started delineating their cheeks, giving them an ever-increasing skull-like face as the drains piled up (not unlike how Belkar looks as the Mark of Justice keeps weakening him)

GW

[newcresty]

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The only case i can remember of Rich showing effects of Level/Energy Drains are Xikon vs Dorukan fight. Though im not sure Energy Drain and negative levels by undead touch is the same

[Kish]

Energy Drain.

[8BitNinja]

Given how inventive Rich has been when coming to show battle damage in stick figures, I am rather surprised he didn't come up with a way to show level drain. Given that it is a form of life-force drain, I think it would've been cool if he had started delineating their cheeks, giving them an ever-increasing skull-like face as the drains piled up (not unlike how Belkar looks as the Mark of Justice keeps weakening him)

GW

I'm pretty sure that's because it doesn't have any concrete external effect on the body, and is open to interpretation.

[eilandesq]

Unfortunately for that plan, they only have five people besides V. Even if they're on a hex grid, one side is uncovered.

To enter that five foot gap, they'd have to get within five feet of someone presenting a holy symbol. The problem of getting enough holy symbols might be tricky, but also note from the description that mirrors will work, too.

[jokem]

It's a caster level check. Miron is a minimum of level 15 (to cast horrid wilting), which gives a DC of 26, a 20 does not auto-succeed and wands are usually at the lowest available caster level.

V has a caster level of 17, with a dispel magic V needs to roll a 16 or more (because dispel magic has a maximum of +10), with a greater dispel magic V needs to roll a 9 or more, and is blowing a level 6 spell.

A minimum level wand of dispel magic auto-fails, a maximum (effective) level wand of dispel magic costs twice as much and needs to roll a 16, but if it's a wand you can just keep trying till it works. A cast spell needs to be from a level 6 caster to succeed even on a 20 which may leave Minrah out, even if she prepared dispel magic.

"Realistically", it has to be V.

Edited to add:


Song of Freedom is a good suggestion. With the forcecage up they have time, and it costs only a bardic music check to try. Sure, have Elan try to Song of Freedom Bloodfeast. That couldn't go wrong...

I like it, but I'm not sure how it works for non-D&D's, does using Song of Freedom to break a transformation seem intuitive?

V is caster level 16 now, thanks to the level drain, maybe 15 if these guys drain 2 levels a pop.

[jokem]

I have not read the entire 11 pages, but has anyone thought of this?

Don't these vampires have to drink blood every 24 hours? With a 34 hour Forcecage blocking them, they will need to look somewhere else?

[Kish]

If they can keep the Order pinned there for anything close to 24 hours, it'll be all over, and by "it" I mean "the world."

[jokem]

If they can keep the Order pinned there for anything close to 24 hours, it'll be all over, and by "it" I mean "the world."

That soon, eh? Oh well...

[r2d2go]

Well (again), that has a rock solid 5%+ probability to have happened.
We have actually seen happening things which were estimated to be thousand of times more unlikely, and things which were effectively millions (literally) of times more unlikely.
5%+ is golden.

Didn't you read the comic? 5% is unlikely, but one in a million is a sure thing

[factotum]

V is caster level 16 now, thanks to the level drain, maybe 15 if these guys drain 2 levels a pop.

I don't think V was 17th level to start with? We've never seen him cast a 9th level spell (apart from when he was spliced, obviously), which he'd be able to to if he was that high a level.

[Lorkas]

I don't think V was 17th level to start with? We've never seen him cast a 9th level spell (apart from when he was spliced, obviously), which he'd be able to to if he was that high a level.

V's level 16 and benefits from Blackwing's ioun stone for +1 effective caster level.

[Kareasint]

It does not matter what the Order does here to get out of the trap. The trap is doing exactly what Durkula wants it to do: Draining resources that the Order would otherwise had available to use against him. It is also costing them time. I cannot wait to see how this turns out.

Assuming that s/he has the spell, I could get V out of this in two rounds. However, Haley would not be able to use the escape path.

[toxin]

desanguinators

Care to explain, good sir?
That word is not in the dictionary...

[Fyraltari]

Care to explain, good sir?
That word is not in the dictionary...

"sanguin" = has to do with blood
"de" = remove
"-tor" = one who does something

"our desanguinators" = those who would take our blood from us = vampires.

This look like a job for...

[Ruck]

Care to explain, good sir?
That word is not in the dictionary...

Roughly, based on usage in comic, I'd guess "blood-drainers." ("sanguine" comes from the Latin sanguis, which means "blood"; "exsanguination" is a term meaning loss of blood.)

EDIT: Dang it, Fyraltari.

[toxin]

Thanks for the explanation guys
Google Suggest actually brought me close, I'll do a better job next time ...