Okay, let me pitch Dominions 5 to you

[Olinser]

Looks fine to me. I may try to organize another method of communication for whichever team I'm on (Discord seems to be in these days) if people don't object.

I figure I'll give everybody a day to see the teams and raise any potential objections, then tomorrow I'll flip a coin between the teams for choice of first/last pick and we'll start nation draft tomorrow.

[lord_khaine]

lord_khaine your inbox is full and you can't accept messages.

Can you post here or PM me your Discord name? I'll create a server for our 4v4.

Ahh dam whoops sorry. My indbox is cleaned now. And i will look into what discord is and get it downloaded.

[Olinser]

Ahh dam whoops sorry. My indbox is cleaned now. And i will look into what discord is and get it downloaded.

It's a dual text/voice chat program, you can get it here : https://discordapp.com

I like it for things like this because you can create your own room for several people and its basically a chat program where you don't have to be online to see the whole conversation, but you can also use it for voice comms if you want.

[The Hellbug]

Did we ever settle on an age for this?

[Olinser]

Did we ever settle on an age for this?

I'd said it was Middle Age and hadn't heard any other thoughts, but I'm pretty open.

[Knaight]

I'd vote for Early.

[deuterio12]

I vote early for some variety.

[Olinser]

OK so I was just at Middle by default, so with 2 people asking for Early we'll go ahead and go Early then unless it gets voted down.

I'll leave it open until the afternoon for others to register opinion, but as it stands now we'll still stick with map Grim Darkness but go Early Age.

Also before we draft, if we are going Early Age are there any strong feelings about banning any particular nation?

[Knaight]

Also before we draft, if we are going Early Age are there any strong feelings about banning any particular nation?

Early doesn't have anything I'd consider too iffy. It's got its fair share of strong nations, but nothing that's just frustrating the way MA and especially LA Ermor are.

[Aeson]

nothing that's just frustrating the way MA and especially LA Ermor are.

Therodos and R'lyeh have the potential to be like that. They're underwater nations, so they're a bit of a pain for most terrestrial nations to get at in the first place, and Therodos has popkill (1%/candle, so not as bad as Lemuria's 3%/candle or the Ashen Empire's 5%/candle) and non-mindless freespawning ethereal undead while R'lyeh can spam Polypal Mothers and fill the seas with Polypal Spawn backed up by mind blasting H2 priests.

[The Hellbug]

This is a disciple game, though--I don't think those two will be a problem since Therodos either won't get freespawn or will domkill its discples, and Rlyeh will be underwater, leaving a 3v4 on land--or will face another UW nation).

[Olinser]

OK well everybody seems to be on board with Early Age and have heard no objections to the teams, so we'll proceed with the teams, map Grim Darkness, and Early Age.

Using my INCREDIBLY ADVANCED AND UNBIASED RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR (flipping coin), I have determined that Team 2 has their choice of first pick or last pick. If you guys want first pick go ahead and pick your first nation, and if you want last pick let us know and we'll pick our first nation.

[The Hellbug]

Excellent, it may take a titch for us to organize and discuss pretender and nation choices before we have an answer for you, Olinser.

[Olinser]

Excellent, it may take a titch for us to organize and discuss pretender and nation choices before we have an answer for you, Olinser.

Oh no worries about time, I figure it'll take probably all of this week to nation draft and work out Pretenders/Disciples, if we get the first turn out by next Saturday I think we'll be doing good.

[Aeson]

Therodos either won't get freespawn or will domkill its discples

Much the same is true for the Ashen Empire and Lemuria, and while I wouldn't want to play either of them as disciples for a pretender who doesn't have some kind of dominion freespawn to replace theirs, I don't think Therodos is significantly better off, especially early on when it's largely restricted to its capital recruits. Kouretes aren't incredible, as sacreds go, and while Melia and Hekaterides might make okay thug chassis in the early-mid game I wouldn't want to stake my early expansion on their ability to defeat independents without items and with at most slight troop support.

[Grif]

New (major) patch.

Spoiler: Patch 5.11

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General

• New nation: Mekone
• New god epithets
• New Hero for EA Ermor
• New ritual: Sow Dragon Teeth
• New item: Boots of water walking
• MA Man recruitment cost tweaks
• Attack rear now less reliable
• Leper effects only results in one message per province
• Battle performance improvement
• Huge battles start in slow motion
• 'x' for super slow motion
• Skip turn (n) speeds up more and returns to old playback speed
• Raise/lower camera in battle with mouse wheel
• Champion's Skull 10 -> 5 death gems
• Battle AI slightly more willing to use gems at all
• Sun awe more effective during Second Sun and Solar Brilliance
• Events cannot occur if affected nation isn't in play
• Limit number of units for commanders in events automatically
• Fatigue 25 -> 50 for dmg
• Took too little damage from communions
• Smoother text scaling for income boxes
• Too many combat recordings could crash the game
• Network clients can change team nbr and pretender/disciple settings
• Fix for multimove out of besieged castle
• Fix for random gods with 3 in sorcery/element
• Fix for communion damage
• Fix for battle teleport
• Fix for Hunter of Heroes crashing the game
• Awe works against trample
• Charge bonus is strength limited
• Improved message for farstrike spells
• Cannot view battlelogs outside combat
• Communion fix (Masters casting slave)
• Skirmisher trait for Ulm and Mekone
• Fix for ranged target prediction
• Unholy Weapons now affect pretenders too
• Fix for Erytheian princesses and unaging
• Fix for Throne of Creation
• Shock damage could stun even when no damage was inflicted
• Blood slaves started on walls
• Fix for host time skew
• Stupid units no longer attack themselves
• Spellcasters in drawn out single combat will advance eventually
• Fix for Mace of Eruption weapon info
• Event unrest has a random variation
• Chorus communion restricted properly
• Prevent events causing negative population
• God Vessels unwishable
• Network showed disabled nations
• Immortal now works when dying from some more unusual circumstances
• Higher chance to remove some afflictions when reforming body
• Fix for resource computation on multi turn commanders
• Ardmon's Soul Trap didn't work
• Hall of Fame size didn't wrap around properly
• Wait now counts as Defend regarding siege strength
• Typos fixed
• New events
• Stat fixes

Map Related Changes

• Can set team start positions in map editor
• Can hide flags in map editor
• Tweaked filters in map editor
• Better island and small sea creation for random maps
• Use swapfiles during random map generation (less memory usage)
• C'tis doesn't mind starting next to many rivers, others do
• Mapeditor: Ctrl-b = load border pic and autocalculate areas
• New map command: #teamstart
• randommap progress bar improvement

Modding

• temporary blood slaves create real blood slaves in battle
• event #exactgold didn't work
• Fix for modding fly- and explosion particle effects
• Armor modding: #magicarmor, #woodenarmor, #ironarmor
• Event modding: #req_2monsters, #req_5monsters, #2d3units - #4d3units
• Event modding: #cleartag, #claimthrone, #poison, #xp, #kill2d6mon

I think this comes just in time too.

[deuterio12]

I would please ask that everybody who already sent their turns to update the game, save and quit the match, and send the files again. Several strange bugs can happen if the game hosts with files from different versions.

[Knaight]

Done. Hopefully we can avoid a rollback here, particularly if they still work as poorly as they did in Dom 3 days.

[lord_khaine]

Oh interesting patch. Nice to see a nerf on the rear assult bit.
How about the awe buff. Does it change things in any meaningful way?

[The Hellbug]

Team 2 will take the first pick: Berytos.

Edit: Also, I think the awe buff (if you mean stopping tramplers) was just the status quo back in Dom 4.

[Nadevoc]

I would please ask that everybody who already sent their turns to update the game, save and quit the match, and send the files again. Several strange bugs can happen if the game hosts with files from different versions.

Should we turn off auto-host for this turn only until everyone can confirm they've sent in turns with the updated version?

[Olinser]

Should we turn off auto-host for this turn only until everyone can confirm they've sent in turns with the updated version?

Might be a good idea just to make sure there are no mishaps. I've updated mine.

[Vitruviansquid]

Hey, a new nation!

... ehhhh that's for the age I like least.

Hey, a new spell!

... ehhhh that's for a handful of nations I don't really play.

Turn re-sent

[Olinser]

Hey, a new nation!

... ehhhh that's for the age I like least.

Hey, a new spell!

... ehhhh that's for a handful of nations I don't really play.

Turn re-sent

Fix for ranged target prediction

That's probably going to be the impactful change for you.

[Vitruviansquid]

I'm not saying the patch didn't have anything that matters to me.

I'm saying those two parts of the patch didn't matter to me.

[Olinser]

I'm not saying the patch didn't have anything that matters to me.

I'm saying those two parts of the patch didn't matter to me.

Did you submit an updated turn btw?

It looks like Agartha, Ys, and Pangaea already hadn't sent in their turns so no need to worry about them, Knaight and I have confirmed that we're already submitted new turns, if you have that just leaves Ionbound, Glimbur, Thrantar and Sen to make sure they put in new turns.

[Olinser]

Team 2 will take the first pick: Berytos.

Edit: Also, I think the awe buff (if you mean stopping tramplers) was just the status quo back in Dom 4.

Team 1 will take ARCOSCEPHALE

[Nadevoc]

I'm holding my turn (Ys) for now since auto host is on to make sure that folks have time to send updated turns. I'll be sending it before I head to sleep in about six hours.

[Olinser]

I'm holding my turn (Ys) for now since auto host is on to make sure that folks have time to send updated turns. I'll be sending it before I head to sleep in about six hours.

OK well Thrantar confirmed he has sent an updated turn so assuming Vitruvian did that leaves Ionbound, Glimbur and Sen for everybody to have an updated turn.

[Knaight]

OK well Thrantar confirmed he has sent an updated turn so assuming Vitruvian did that leaves Ionbound, Glimbur and Sen for everybody to have an updated turn.

Ionbound is up to date.