The Last Jedi - There At First.. wait

[pendell]

They can't do Return of the Jedi, because they already did it in this movie.

Evil thought: They can't do Return of the Jedi if they've got another trilogy planned out.

Otherwise ... well, what are they going to do? Give the Resistance the triumph to end all triumphs, then undo it all over again for the next trilogy?

It seems to me as if they're making a Robin Hood movie, and you can't tell any Robin Hood stories once Good King Richard returns from the crusades. No, in order to have their being any storytelling, you've got to have evil Prince John on the throne, with the Sheriff of Nottingham hot on the heels of our merry band of outlaws. They need to be desperate and few in number but never ... quite ... wiped out.

If the parallel holds, then the third movie has to end with the First Order firmly in control of the galaxy while our heroes continue to flee, all the while spouting some nonsense about 'hope'. They may give the new Empire a bloody nose or blow up some ships, but nothing they do will actually make a difference on the larger galactic stage. They'll simply get people killed, and give the Empire a pretext for ever more repression.

I hope I'm wrong. Because if it did that more than anything would cause me to lose interest in the franchise. Because if it was originally WWII in space, a key point about WWII is that it *ended*. With an unconditional surrender.

If the continued story of Star Was is nothing but a continuation of the following -- of a small, merry band constantly fleeing from the First Order but never actually accomplishing anything towards ending the tyranny of the galaxy -- well, as far as I'm concerned that's a bad ending, a crapsack world. It's the sort of thing that would allow Disney to run the moneymaking machine forever on resistance stories, but it's not the kind of story I'm interested in.

ETA: If the story turns out as I propose above, then what Disney will have done will have been to retell Shakespeare's Julius Caesar from the viewpoint of Brutus: A political idealist who murdered an emperor for the sake of the republic, but the republic did not survive when the Emperor died; it only meant a new Emperor stepping into his place (at best) or factional fighting/civil war between many would-be Emperors. But society would no longer support a Republic ; the Republic was dead despite the best efforts of many over the centuries, including more than one Emperor.

And of course we all know how history remembers Brutus and Cassius .


Respectfully,

Brian P.

[Scowling Dragon]

Today it occured to me that Last Jedi is totally a rehash of The Empire Strikes Back, despite what people have been saying to the contrary.

Hey watch yourself!....Its also mixed in elements of Return of the Jedi as well!

[Yora]

Hey watch yourself!....Its also mixed in elements of Return of the Jedi as well!

Yes, but from what I remember Force Awakens also didn't keep it cleanly separated.

The first thing I noticed was Leia sitting down like Ackbar in RotJ after a big imperial ship gets dstroyed. The throne room is of course much more Return of the Jedi than the Carbonite Freezer in Empire strikes back.

[Dr.Samurai]

Not really, look at the scene, look at how Adam Driver is favoring his side, leaning against it. The camera focuses on the the blood from his wound going down to the white snow below.

That is in his fight with Finn, yes. If I remember correctly, this attention to the wound is not given during the fight with Rey.

He's constantly pounding at his side to keep the adrenaline pumping because that's the only thing keeping him on his feet.

Hmm, that's one way to take that I suppose. I took it more as a dark side thing, drawing on his pain to increase his power.

Everything about how the scene is shot is about how this is a person emotionally and physically on the edge of passing out.

Sure. Right up until Rey opens her eyes. Then everything about how the scene is shot is about how Rey has gained some new or lost insight and power and is easily overwhelming Kylo because of it.

Are you of the opinion that, had Rey not thought about the Force, she still would have defeated Kylo? Because he's beating her at that point.

[Giggling Ghast]

He got shot in the kidney with a gun that normally does this...

... like 5 minutes earlier. Homedude was still bleeding, give him a break.

He was also wounded by Finn.

[Scowling Dragon]

Also maybe this movie shouldn't be so hurried about ignoring the past so it can do whatever like a spoiled child (Because it wants to play calvinball despite entering a football compitition) because Its ending scene with Kid Force Lifting a broom has had two consequences:

A: The Jedi where right about asking children from a young age. I assumed this what them overstepping the line, and what would eventually destroy them as everybody in their order would have their opinions too formulated.
Instead it makes them completly correct. It means that at a young age force sensitive children become a danger to themselves and others. What if a kid threw a fit over icecream? They could hurt themselves or others!

So congratulations. Now making the Jedi babynappers is now justified instead of being a gross error.

B: This makes Luke more compelling as he is now Force CRIPPLED instead of being force ubered. Aperantly even little babies can start force lifting stuff from a Young age wheras luke barely lifted lightsabers midway into his training at a much older age.
This now makes Lukes Journey by far the most ardous one, and by far the most interesting.

Because not only did he actually have to learn the force, it seems opposite. He had to master it despite starting off the least powerful.

[Reddish Mage]

Who asked for him back? Why, the two billions he made on The Force Awakens.

Obviously, Disney decided to listen to the fans and gamble with Rian, and it didn't work to their liking. Now, it wasn't bad, per se. It recoup losses, but it wasn't the billion+ dollars Disney expected.

Problem is, I don't know how they'll deal with the setup Rian left. It's a mess. Your main evil guy is dead, his Bratty Sidekick doesn't seem like a credible threat. Neither does General Incompetence (Hux) or Captain Phlegma(?). You have heroes but they have less resources than Han Solo, on himself. And they have no allies, or credible villains to fight.

They can't do RotJ, first you need a serious threat for Rey to face, then you need a Vader and/or Emperor (I can't imagine Kylo as either).

The decision to bring back Abrams for Episode IX was made in September before TLJ was even released. There was going to be a third director (Colin Trevorrow) but he left over "creative differences." I sepeculate that Fischer's death led to the decision (not necessarily Trevorrow's) to completely rewrite the script, and Trevorrow was already being difficult.

Rian Johnson was announced to be working on the NEXT Trilogy, so he is hardly out of Star Wars.

Today it occured to me that Last Jedi is totally a rehash of The Empire Strikes Back, despite what people have been saying to the contrary.


It's history repeating itself, but with the important difference that Rey faces Kylo and wins.

I first thought that all the good things I've seen in Last Jedi would be made irrelevant by Abrams directing the next movie. But from what I've read now, the script for Last Jedi was written while Force Awakens was still in production and in the credits it says that Abrams is the producer of Last Jedi. So I can't really believe that all the mysteries of Force Awakens were discarded without Abram's knowledge and against his approval.

I wouldn't say Rey faced Kylo and wins. Kylo comes out as the new leader, and Rey is the one that leaves.

I also wouldn't say that Abrams necessarily approved the details of the script for TLJ. He wasn't the one writing it. According to Johnson, he supported the overall vision, but Hollywood movies are made by committee. Abrams wasn't in charge of the script or the directing of Episode 8, he likely didn't hate it with a passion, and he thinks he can do Episode IX now, but that doesn't mean he was co-author.

I think movie makers probably do well with their careers if they don't get too attached to specific ideas or scripts. The nature of the business is that it constantly kills everyone little darlings. Most scripts aren't produced, most ideas are discarded, and many participants get their input on what they want in a movie. What gets to the screen is usually a compromise, and few directors get carte blanche.

They can't do Return of the Jedi, because they already did it in this movie.

Actually, I don't see why they can't.

It starts out with a rescue mission, we get a transition Rey is confirmed to have grown far more capable by ghost Luke, then the actions to an operation against the First Order's new superweapon, perhaps this time capable of destroying anything they want in the galaxy remotely and bringing an end to the Resistence. Rey and the other Resistence members get split up and Rey faces against Kylo while the others take down the superweapon.

The rebels may even get some surprise help from a group of either primitives, furries, or both to take down the weapon's shields.

Kylo is redeemed in the end. Rey "becomes a Jedi."

I'm not saying this is the best script, but it practically writes itself.

Given the track record of the last two films I expect the third will heavily incorporate elements from ROTJ.

[-D-]

The decision to bring back Abrams for Episode IX was made in September before TLJ was even released. There was going to be a third director (Colin Trevorrow) but he left over "creative differences." I sepeculate that Fischer's death led to the decision (not necessarily Trevorrow's) to completely rewrite the script, and Trevorrow was already being difficult.

Rian Johnson was announced to be working on the NEXT Trilogy, so he is hardly out of Star Wars.

I'd say, the two billion still qualified him.

Well, we'll see, but it's possible his next trilogy will be a quite a bit more limited than TLJ.

[sktarq]

Completely agreed, and my biggest problem with the trilogy as a whole at this time. Kylo is an utter failure on every level, Snoke is a cheap Palpatine knock-off and now dead, Hux lost all semblance of dignity or respectability in TLJ,...., via trickery or an explosion as the base was blowing up conveniently helping, something of that sort. But no, the writers and/or Abrams decided that Rey should just win, and utterly hamstrung Kylo's credibility in the process.)

I find Kylo in particular to be a total nothing burger. And generally find the same to be true of the rest of the movie too but by halfway in Kylo's appearance on screen was a cue to take a look at things like the sets, backgrounds, costumes etc (which are by far the best parts of the last two movies) I don't really have much to say about him because I just can't care about him. I can't even hate him because he is not worth the emotion. Only time I could even be mad about him was when they wasted a Han Solo in trying to make him threatening and evil and stuff.
Hux....I thought Hux was supposed to be representative of the First Order's officer class and organizational strength...How he is able to even manage the military seems beyond me. He needs to be at least competent to make the whole mass of the Imperial First Order a threat. It was just depressing.
Rey....hey Mary Sue. How are ya today? Great Turret work, Force abilities, etc you picked up living in the scrapyards of Jakku. She does seem to be acted/directed better than written but that is a low bar.
Finn...closest thing to being interesting in TFA.....Why were you in TLJ? Why was there the whole Casino/Hacker/JumpTracker Plot cul-de-Sac a thing?
Luke - the idea of a broken Luke almost certainly looked better on paper. The concept holds promice. But this was pretty damn boring again. I kept waiting for actual reasons and ideas. It always seems like he got the first line out but never finished the ideas.

I kept looking at my watch the whole thing was so damn boring. Sure STUFF was happening but it was Cool Stuff in the same vein as Waterworld's boat doing STUFF.

The near light speed ramming...why is this such a shock? Every 8 year old I knew has played with that idea in Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't get the reaction.

And while the Episode IV-VI series had time hole

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EX: Leah/Han/Cheewie/Droids spend the same amount of time being chased through an Asteroid field, and "some time" on Bespin (but since the Imperial/Fett arrived just before them it seems unlikely to be long) but Luke had time to get a fair way through Jedi training and also get to Bespin.

Lack of zero G spacial system (how all the ships are arranged "Level")
Sounds in space and explosions etc
and while I grant a pretty large rule-of-cool buffer for stupids (those "bombers", AT-AT's, etc) don't make the stupid the focus (those "bombers")
I could go on for a while

And plenty of other issues its spritely pace, good chemistry, actually funny lines, etc compensated. This had all the bad parts and none of the good.

[Scowling Dragon]

The near light speed ramming...why is this such a shock? Every 8 year old I knew has played with that idea in Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't get the reaction.

The assumption for that with the shields up would be that the ship would impact the shields, scratch the paint and do nothing else.

Changing the rules makes suicide runs super easy, and really removes the point of these super cruisers when super small ships can take them (And entire FLEETS) down with ease.

Its not that that scene in particular was so shocking, but what it means for the future.

[Mordar]

The near light speed ramming...why is this such a shock? Every 8 year old I knew has played with that idea in Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't get the reaction.

The assumption for that with the shields up would be that the ship would impact the shields, scratch the paint and do nothing else.

Changing the rules makes suicide runs super easy, and really removes the point of these super cruisers when super small ships can take them (And entire FLEETS) down with ease.

Its not that that scene in particular was so shocking, but what it means for the future.

Well...and also why every commander before was so stupid for not having done it earlier. Including why the Vice-Admiral didn't suggest it to the commander of the first capital ship to run out of gas...

- M

[Dr.Samurai]

The near light speed ramming...why is this such a shock? Every 8 year old I knew has played with that idea in Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't get the reaction.

Because then the plot is exposed as having had a resolution since its very inception. At any point in time the Resistance could have kamikaze'd the First Order ships.

Consider this... we could have gotten a plot where Holdo is holding until they get all supplies and personnel loaded on transports and are close enough to the salt planet (which would take forever to reach without hyperdrive but who cares I guess).

Now, Holdo has to order the transports off the ship and turn the thing around and light ram speed the First Order. To do this, Poe has to flight out with the remaining X-wing ships and hold off the TIE fighters to give everyone enough time for Holdo to kamikaze their enemies.

Except, she'll just ram the shields. So at the same time, Finn and... I guess if it has to be Rose it can be Rose, have infiltrated the First Order ship somehow (has to be a one-time thing) to disable the shield and facilitate the ramming action. Boom, heroes. Heroes all around. Holdo leads the Resistance admirably in Leia's absence and gives her life for the cause, Poe is fighting against all odds to buy everyone time, and Finn and Rose are sacrificing themselves to make it all possible (whether they actually die or not is irrelevant at this moment). You could say that these light speed ramming actions have never been done before because of... shields, or something, and that Finn's insider knowledge makes it possible. I don't know, I'm working with what Rian gave us!!

The point is... if you can light speed ram ships, then you would have always been light speed ramming ships. But it's never happened before now. And even when it did happen now, it should have happened much earlier in the movie.

[Jayngfet]

Well, Rian Johnson might get a chance to craft a Star Wars trilogy of his own.

I don’t see what he does as having the potential for a 3-movie length treatment. Everything said about Looper and what we see in TLJ, is that there is no coherence to what he does and he plays fast and loose with the logic.

That can work for a stand alone movie, but it seems like he would gets lost somewhere in the middle (perhaps movie #2) of a 3 movie trilogy and commit truly horendous crimes against logic to wrap the thing up.

This might already happen with the our current trilogy.

From what I understand, Rian didn't get the trilogy because of his artistic vision. He got it because he's easy to work with and turns movies in on time and under budget. The Last Jedi was done like a month earlier than The Force Awakens, on a budget fifty million dollars cheaper, without any outside production companies getting top billing.

Not only that but he's apparently a cool guy IRL. I work in the film industry and the business is rife with self important losers. Having someone who can do the job cheap and is easy to deal with usually means it's worth it to keep him around even if his movie isn't film of the year material.

[sktarq]

The assumption for that with the shields up would be that the ship would impact the shields, scratch the paint and do nothing else.

Changing the rules makes suicide runs super easy, and really removes the point of these super cruisers when super small ships can take them (And entire FLEETS) down with ease.

Its not that that scene in particular was so shocking, but what it means for the future.

The shield thing makes sense. Besides the idea that shield eventually can be overwhelmed (see the cruisers not being able to take the DeathStarII's one shots) or the shields targeted (see the bridge shield + A wing crash at the battle of Endor). So how do you do the A Wing trick but with so much energy that it causes the shields to react like they do against BIG guns? Add lots of energy. Mass helps but velocity helps more and light speed (or just that streak they make going to light speed) is really fast. So the logic holds. But unless I missed a huge point where instead of failing to turn off the tracker Finn did turn off the shields of a different ship this is retconing of the highest order.

Because then the plot is exposed as having had a resolution since its very inception. At any point in time the Resistance could have kamikaze'd the First Order ships.

Consider this... we could have gotten a plot where Holdo is holding until they get all supplies and personnel loaded on transports ...... she'll just ram the shields. So at the same time, Finn and... ... Heroes all around. Holdo leads the Resistance....I don't know, I'm working with what Rian gave us!!

The point is... if you can light speed ram ships, then you would have always been light speed ramming ships. But it's never happened before now. And even when it did happen now, it should have happened much earlier in the movie.

This. Actually the long middle block sounds like a far, far better movie.

[Scowling Dragon]

The shield thing makes sense. Besides the idea that shield eventually can be overwhelmed (see the cruisers not being able to take the DeathStarII's one shots) or the shields targeted (see the bridge shield + A wing crash at the battle of Endor). So how do you do the A Wing trick but with so much energy that it causes the shields to react like they do against BIG guns? Add lots of energy. Mass helps but velocity helps more and light speed (or just that streak they make going to light speed) is really fast. So the logic holds. But unless I missed a huge point where instead of failing to turn off the tracker Finn did turn off the shields of a different ship this is retconing of the highest order.

Retconning if the First Order if you may!

The unspoken assumption, was that hyperspace didnt build up momentum, or only very little.
Thats why it was called hyperspace and not hyperspeed.
In addition it couldnt jump through gravity.

Point being you cant play fast and loose like this.

[Blackhawk748]

Because then the plot is exposed as having had a resolution since its very inception. At any point in time the Resistance could have kamikaze'd the First Order ships.

Consider this... we could have gotten a plot where Holdo is holding until they get all supplies and personnel loaded on transports and are close enough to the salt planet (which would take forever to reach without hyperdrive but who cares I guess).

Now, Holdo has to order the transports off the ship and turn the thing around and light ram speed the First Order. To do this, Poe has to flight out with the remaining X-wing ships and hold off the TIE fighters to give everyone enough time for Holdo to kamikaze their enemies.

Except, she'll just ram the shields. So at the same time, Finn and... I guess if it has to be Rose it can be Rose, have infiltrated the First Order ship somehow (has to be a one-time thing) to disable the shield and facilitate the ramming action. Boom, heroes. Heroes all around. Holdo leads the Resistance admirably in Leia's absence and gives her life for the cause, Poe is fighting against all odds to buy everyone time, and Finn and Rose are sacrificing themselves to make it all possible (whether they actually die or not is irrelevant at this moment). You could say that these light speed ramming actions have never been done before because of... shields, or something, and that Finn's insider knowledge makes it possible. I don't know, I'm working with what Rian gave us!!

The point is... if you can light speed ram ships, then you would have always been light speed ramming ships. But it's never happened before now. And even when it did happen now, it should have happened much earlier in the movie.

You dont actually need to Light ram, it could just be a normal ram in this case. I mean, it wouldnt cripple the Supremacy, but several hundred tons going a significant percentage of Lightspeed is gonna hurt.

[Scowling Dragon]

You dont actually need to Light ram, it could just be a normal ram in this case. I mean, it wouldnt cripple the Supremacy, but several hundred tons going a significant percentage of Lightspeed is gonna hurt.

Its not lightspeed its hyperspace. On top of that its impact was rediculous. It destroys tge entire fleet with that shockwave.

[Blackhawk748]

Its not lightspeed its hyperspace. On top of that its impact was rediculous. It destroys tge entire fleet with that shockwave.

I know that, i was saying that a normal ram going a significant percentage of the speed of light could still do considerable damage to the Supremacy.

[Scowling Dragon]

I know that, i was saying that a normal ram going a significant percentage of the speed of light could still do considerable damage to the Supremacy.

Sure, but not that significant. Ships in star wars are not that fast outside of hyperspace.

The shields of a ship that size should have deflected most of that danage considering it was mostly untouched before.

[t209]

Well, watched the movie,

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- Ummm, I am sure that using B-Wings instead of those slow junk that somehow had to expose its bomb bays would not have cost an entire wing, Leia. Just plop a photon bomb on the cannons or engine might do wonder.

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Also, I am imagining entire sequel saga as Victory Gundam, particularly the "Republic/Federation won't budge, so the Resistance/League Militaire had to go into fight until the former finally wises up and get their grooves back with a cool admiral".

[Zalabim]

Ok, so the smaller frigates with the resistance should have tried ramming the First Order ships? Why? How do you picture that going? Because if you picture the ship stopping its retreat, turning its nose to the First Order, charging its hyperdrive, coming within a relatively close range of the intended target, and then jumping to lightspeed in a spectacular explosion, I'm afraid that's a bit too much fantasy for Star Wars. All that trying the tactic there would accomplish is putting your ship in effective range of the fleet's big guns and getting it destroyed in a waste of effort and whatever fuel you needed to try that jump.

Instead, a better tactic is to offload all the personnel, materiel, and fuel you can to the main ship so you can use those resources later on. Like for loading up transport ships for an evacuation, or fueling the Raddus to delay the inevitable for a few hours or even minutes longer. Maybe there'll be enough fuel left over for one more jump at the end.

The original plan seemed to be that the First Order would continue to follow the Raddus, which would lead them away from the transports and Crait, perhaps with a final jump through hyperspace at the end. It was only because Hux was completely focused on the transports and discounted the Raddus as fleeing, empty, and a distraction that Holdo was able to get in close enough, fully charge the hyperdrive, and aim at the Supremacy. None of the other Resistance ships had the same opportunity and I doubt any of the smaller Resistance ships could have had the same effect if given the opportunity. Even the effect the Raddus had would have been blunted if the fleet had been spread out in an effective battle formation instead of bunched up behind the Supremacy with Snoke's ship blocking much of their possible maneuvering and firing angles.

[Dr.Samurai]

Re: Light Speed Ram

I was just using what Rian used to show that it could be done differently and better.

I honestly don't know what star wars ships do at this point. Hyperspace is what I thought. And we've seen them in wormholes. But what Holdo did is more akin to accelerating really fast. Is that necessary to jump into a wormhole? I don't know. Whatever it is, it appears that she was moving at high speeds to ram the Supremacy.

Ok, so the smaller frigates with the resistance should have tried ramming the First Order ships? Why? How do you picture that going? Because if you picture the ship stopping its retreat, turning its nose to the First Order, charging its hyperdrive, coming within a relatively close range of the intended target, and then jumping to lightspeed in a spectacular explosion, I'm afraid that's a bit too much fantasy for Star Wars. All that trying the tactic there would accomplish is putting your ship in effective range of the fleet's big guns and getting it destroyed in a waste of effort and whatever fuel you needed to try that jump.

Well, you can write anything. The point is they wrote in this mechanism that could cripple the Supremacy. They wrote in a method of tracking that, at the time, relied on the Supremacy. So you get awesome space dogfights while the (now evacuated) medical frigates move into position and super ram the Supremacy, utterly destroying it and its fleet and allowing the Raddus to jump back into Hyperspace unmolested, since the ship they were using to track you is now destroyed.

I would much rather see a war room where Poe suggests this tactic, a couple of pilots bravely volunteer to ram the medical frigates into the Supremacy, Holdo shoots it down because it's insane and they have a better plan (get close to an abandoned rebel base and use cloaked transports to ferry everyone off the Raddus in secret, then jump to Hyperspace to lead the First Order off their trail). A legitimate debate ensues over this because Poe sees an opportunity to not just get away, but also cripple the First Order's leadership. Holdo thinks the plan is too risky because it involves sneaking on board the Supremacy and disabling their shields; better to survive another day.

Things can then play out mostly like they did in the movie, except without a stupid casino planet, and without Holdo looking like a moron because she withheld information from everyone.

I'm not sure what's a bit too fantasy for Star Wars. What does that mean?

[pendell]

Its not lightspeed its hyperspace. On top of that its impact was rediculous. It destroys tge entire fleet with that shockwave.

'Shockwave'? In space?


Respectfully,

Brian P.

[hamishspence]

'Shockwave'? In space?


Respectfully,

Brian P.

They do happen - generally they work a bit differently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_...n_astrophysics

but in the context of Space Fantasy like Star Wars, they don't have to match real-world ones perfectly.

[pendell]

They do happen - generally they work a bit differently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_...n_astrophysics

but in the context of Space Fantasy like Star Wars, they don't have to match real-world ones perfectly.

Well, I've learned something new! So a 'shock wave' in space refers to photons from an explosion striking another body, and not from the displacement of air which it means in an Earthlike environment.

I had no idea. Thanks!

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[hamishspence]

Well, I've learned something new! So a 'shock wave' in space refers to photons from an explosion striking another body, and not from the displacement of air which it means in an Earthlike environment.

I had no idea. Thanks!

Respectfully,

Brian P.

The interstellar medium can be thought of as a bit like "incredibly thin atmosphere" and the "bow shock" of an object moving rapidly through the interstellar medium, as a bit like the shockwave created by a supersonic aircraft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_sh...n_astrophysics

it's an oversimplification (it's the magnetic field, not the object itself, that's causing the shock)- but it gets the general idea across - space is not empty - and objects can create waves in it under the right conditions.

[Renegade Paladin]

Retconning if the First Order if you may!

The unspoken assumption, was that hyperspace didnt build up momentum, or only very little.
Thats why it was called hyperspace and not hyperspeed.
In addition it couldnt jump through gravity.

Point being you cant play fast and loose like this.

The trouble with your unspoken assumption is that we see Star Wars ships undergoing massive acceleration and streaking away before crossing into hyperspace. Yes, they shift to another dimension which facilitates crazy FRL speeds, but they get going to relativistic velocities before they get into it. That's consistent with every hyperspace jump ever shown in the films.

[Scowling Dragon]

The trouble with your unspoken assumption is that we see Star Wars ships undergoing massive acceleration and streaking away before crossing into hyperspace. Yes, they shift to another dimension which facilitates crazy FRL speeds, but they get going to relativistic velocities before they get into it. That's consistent with every hyperspace jump ever shown in the films.

We also see them exiting hyperspace on a dime with no inertia either. I always assumed that was a vusual effect that they looked like they where going fast but didnt really.

[Renegade Paladin]

We also see them exiting hyperspace on a dime with no inertia either. I always assumed that was a vusual effect that they looked like they where going fast but didnt really.

Really? Ten characters.

[hamishspence]

We also see them exiting hyperspace on a dime with no inertia either. I always assumed that was a vusual effect that they looked like they where going fast but didnt really.

That was certainly the way it was depicted once in Rebels - Season 3 finale.

There are Interdictors.
Rebel Frigate jumps to hyperspace, with the classic "accelerate away" image.
Interdiction effect makes Rebel frigate drop out of hyperspace.
It reappears exactly where it tried to jump out - in front of the Imperial warships.


And, conversely, in TFA, the Falcon drops out of hyperspace, not going at relativistic velocities but slowing down fast - it's already slow enough that it's able to pull up safely.

In addition it couldnt jump through gravity.

Point being you cant play fast and loose like this.

As for "jumping into hyperspace from within atmosphere" TCW did it before Rogue One did - Season One episode Jedi Crash.

If it was really accelerating to ludicrous velocities within the space of a few hundred metres - then the friction generated would create a fireball in the atmosphere.

Hence "transferring into another dimension" works better.