Class and Level Geekery XV - What's the Damage of a Thrown Pineapple?

[Quartz]

Sure hope Hilgya prepared a Revivify instead of a Raise Dead. It's from Spell Compendium, but we've already seen spells from that book since Z's Vitrolic Sphere.

That would mean Durkon doesn't lose a level, right? However, in the last panel she's talking about raising him.

[RatElemental]

That would mean Durkon doesn't lose a level, right? However, in the last panel she's talking about raising him.

It would, yeah. The whole concept of Revivify is you have to cast it immediately upon death and it brings you back before your soul has even left your body. You come back at -1 hitpoints and stable, but no level drain/con loss.

[danielxcutter]

That would mean Durkon doesn't lose a level, right? However, in the last panel she's talking about raising him.

Could be used as a general term. We'll have to see.

It would, yeah. The whole concept of Revivify is you have to cast it immediately upon death and it brings you back before your soul has even left your body. You come back at -1 hitpoints and stable, but no level drain/con loss.

Yeah exactly. Heck, it even uses less diamonds than Raise Dead does, I believe.

[b_jonas]

It would, yeah. The whole concept of Revivify is you have to cast it immediately upon death and it brings you back before your soul has even left your body. You come back at -1 hitpoints and stable, but no level drain/con loss.

Hmm. What's the casting time for Revivify? And how much diamonds or other expensive material components (shinies) does it use? Raise dead takes a minute to cast, and uses up 5000 GP worth of diamonds.

Update: sorry, this is partly already answered in the other thread.

Raise Dead only takes one minute; Revivify only takes a standard action. And we're unlikely to see what happens during that minute if it does happen.

[UrielAwakened]

So... is Durkon soon to be down 2 levels now?

Wouldn't it be three from his peak?

1 from dying and being raised as a vampire, then 2 now?

So if he was speculated at what, 16 before, he'd be down to 13 now? 12 if he was 15.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

1 from dying and being raised as a vampire

No, you don't lose levels when you become a vampire.

Grey Wolf

[UrielAwakened]

Okay that's not as bad then.

[RatElemental]

Hmm. What's the casting time for Revivify? And how much diamonds or other expensive material components (shinies) does it use? Raise dead takes a minute to cast, and uses up 5000 GP worth of diamonds.

Update: sorry, this is partly already answered in the other thread.

To answer your other question, Revivify costs only 1000 gp worth of diamonds to Raise Dead's 5000.

[b_jonas]

So... this is a stupid idea, but is it possible that Durkon has permanently lost some points of constitution when Malack drained his blood? That would make it easier for him to fail his save against the massive damage death here.

[Resileaf]

So... this is a stupid idea, but is it possible that Durkon has permanently lost some points of constitution when Malack drained his blood? That would make it easier for him to fail his save against the massive damage death here.

A vampire's blood drain can be regenerated, and resurrection states that the target creature is brought back to life with no loss of vigor or strength (save for the level lost), which would imply that a regeneration effect takes place, which would in fact be necessary considering it would otherwise mean that someone drained to 0 CON by a vampire would otherwise be unrezzable.

[b_jonas]

A vampire's blood drain can be regenerated,

Ah yes. With the Restoration spell, which is a fourth level cleric spell and can be cast any amount of time later after the dragin, so Greg had enough opportunity to do it. Sorry, these rules confused me.

[Resileaf]

Ah yes. With the Restoration spell, which is a fourth level cleric spell and can be cast any amount of time later after the dragin, so Greg had enough opportunity to do it. Sorry, these rules confused me.

Well, not that he ever did because an undead does not actually have a constitution score to lose or regenerate.

[MartianInvader]

I just realized Hilgya has cast yet another 7th-level spell. Can we infer any more about her level from this? What if she uses Resurrection again?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I just realized Hilgya has cast yet another 7th-level spell. Can we infer any more about her level from this? What if she uses Resurrection again?

What if she has refreshed spells since we last saw her?

Grey Wolf

[zimmerwald1915]

I just realized Hilgya has cast yet another 7th-level spell. Can we infer any more about her level from this? What if she uses Resurrection again?

I just realized that this was discussed last page.

[MartianInvader]

What if she has refreshed spells since we last saw her?

Grey Wolf

Ah, good point. Given the time-experience effects we know can happen to newly dead souls, for all we know they were flying through the astral plane for ten years (okay, probably not that long).

[zimmerwald1915]

What if she has refreshed spells since we last saw her?

Grey Wolf

Seems unlikely, since she'd need to spend an hour praying and Durkon's conversation with Thor does not take that long to read aloud, and since casting the number of spells she has is only a hair above her previously-established power level.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Seems unlikely, since she'd need to spend an hour praying and Durkon's conversation with Thor does not take that long to read aloud, and since casting the number of spells she has is only a hair above her previously-established power level.

It is unlikely, but my broader point is that now is probably to early to draw conclusions. WE'll know soon enough if there has been a substantial time jump or if this is immediately after the battle.

Grey Wolf

[Callista]

Time perception in the afterlife is wonky, though--entirely wonky enough that a day or more could have passed in the rest of the world. Though of course since the rest of the world still exists, we are limited by that.

[Resileaf]

Time perception in the afterlife is wonky, though--entirely wonky enough that a day or more could have passed in the rest of the world. Though of course since the rest of the world still exists, we are limited by that.

It is possible that the problem with the Exarch has already been handled, though. Durkon said that the party would need him to beat the tactics Greg gave to his lackeys, but it doesn't necessarily means it's impossible for the Order to have already beaten the Exarch.

[zimmerwald1915]

It is possible that the problem with the Exarch has already been handled, though. Durkon said that the party would need him to beat the tactics Greg gave to his lackeys, but it doesn't necessarily means it's impossible for the Order to have already beaten the Exarch.

Color me skeptical that the moment the world is saved from Hel's plan will not be depicted on-panel.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Color me skeptical that the moment the world is saved from Hel's plan will not be depicted on-panel.

Yeah, this ain't Schlock Mercenary.

Grey Wolf

[Resileaf]

Color me skeptical that the moment the world is saved from Hel's plan will not be depicted on-panel.

The recovery of Roy's remains from Grubwiggler wasn't.

[MartianInvader]

As a side note, I am *very* interested to see how the rest of this book plays out from a storytelling perspective. It feels like there's enough left that we haven't yet hit the true climax, but I can't imagine how we're going to see something more exciting or moving than Durkon taking his mind back. But this is OOTS we're talking about; I somehow doubt I'll end up disappointed.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

The recovery of Roy's remains from Grubwiggler was not the focus of a book.

Eh. I could see some argue (decently, not The Weirdo-level argue) that the focus of the book was Durkon beating Greg. I don't think it will be the case, but its an argument that can be done.

Grey Wolf

[hamishspence]

I could see "Durkon beats Greg" in this book, being the equivalent of "Elan beats Tarquin" in the previous book.

[Resileaf]

Technically, a flashback isn't out of the question either.
Although admitedly, I can't recall any time when a long flashback was made.

[zimmerwald1915]

Eh. I could see some argue (decently, not The Weirdo-level argue) that the focus of the book was Durkon beating Greg. I don't think it will be the case, but its an argument that can be done.

Grey Wolf

There is only one book remaining after this one. The world needs to be saved from Hel in order for the party to move on to saving the world from Xykon. It would be exceptionally odd pacing to open and close the last book with world-saving. The world will probably be saved from Hel by the end of this book.

[Jasdoif]

The recovery of Roy's remains from Grubwiggler wasn't.

The recovery of Roy's remains from Grubwiggler was not the focus of a book.

The equivalent here is the Order being healed after the battle with the Vampiric Cabal...which was handled summarily by the last panel of 1149, because it didn't justify spending time on itself; Just as the recovery of Roy's remains from Grubwiggler was handled summarily by the first panel of 645.

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The bonus strips showing the recovery of Roy's remains were there to frame something that did justify being shown: the state of the ongoing conflict between Haley and Bozzok/Crystal.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

There is only one book remaining after this one. The world needs to be saved from Hel in order for the party to move on to saving the world from Xykon. It would be exceptionally odd pacing to open and close the last book with world-saving. The world will probably be saved from Hel by the end of this book.

Errr... yes? How does this add or disagree to what I said?

Feels very non-sequitur to me, sorry. The topic is "can the defeat of the exexarch have happened off-page", not "will said defeat happen at the start of the next book".

Grey Wolf