Magic The Gathering Thread XXIII: Modern is Dead, Long Live Modern

[LaZodiac]

It is a time war, they have to fetch the eldrazi to kill him.

Our Lady returns.

Too Much Flesh vs Not Enough Flesh is a compelling idea, but we're never seeing Yawg back.

[Tvtyrant]

I know, but I can dream...

They do need some new recurring villains with the Eldrazi and Nicol Bolas gone. Xenagos seems intetesting, lillia feels inevitable with her having the chain-veil free, they need some new ones though.

[LaZodiac]

I know, but I can dream...

They do need some new recurring villains with the Eldrazi and Nicol Bolas gone. Xenagos seems intetesting, lillia feels inevitable with her having the chain-veil free, they need some new ones though.

Xenagos is sadly confirmed Very Dead.

Liliana is literally no longer a villain, and she still has the Chain Veil. The Raven Man and the Onakke Spirits are still around and still causing trouble.

Tezzeret is a recurring villain, as is Ob Nixilis. Those are big players. As well, much of Kasmina's lines in MTG Arena are hinting at her being in control of an order of Planewalkers across the Multiverse. Davriel isn't a villain but he's attached to an engimatic group of planeswalkers that could easily serve as villains. Those are the biggest Things I can think of at the moment, beyond Emma and Phyrexia at the moment.

Dovin is also still around but he's blind. I imagine there's also other Bolas minions now free to do whatever they see fit, and the Chandra comics are making use of Tibalt. There's also Sorin and Nahiri's hate ***** for each other, and if they want they can extremely play Viviene Reed as a green villain (Garruk is also a thing).

[Zhentarim]

I've heard rumors that Theros might be coming back. I pray that this is the case, cause I love Theros.

Color Philosophy Question: How would you describe a friend of mine? He claims to be Grixis, but TBH I've never seen the slightest bit of black in him. He's a fanatical worshipper of science (Blue) but doesn't do all that well with authority (Red). Lately I've noticed him seeming more and more tribalistic, demonizing people that he doesn't like (aka anti-vaxers and the "bigoted *******s" who "don't believe in science", which I saw as a very White characteristic. He'd probably deny it if I said he seemed Jeskai to me, but do y'all think these characteristics seem to fit?

And if so, what positive traits would be shared with a Red-primary Jund (me)?

That just sounds like Izzet. Is he concerned with finances? That’s a little black.

[Tvtyrant]

I've heard rumors that Theros might be coming back. I pray that this is the case, cause I love Theros.

Color Philosophy Question: How would you describe a friend of mine? He claims to be Grixis, but TBH I've never seen the slightest bit of black in him. He's a fanatical worshipper of science (Blue) but doesn't do all that well with authority (Red). Lately I've noticed him seeming more and more tribalistic, demonizing people that he doesn't like (aka anti-vaxers and the "bigoted *******s" who "don't believe in science", which I saw as a very White characteristic. He'd probably deny it if I said he seemed Jeskai to me, but do y'all think these characteristics seem to fit?

And if so, what positive traits would be shared with a Red-primary Jund (me)?

Izzet or Jeskai seem fine, if he believes in unethical scientific experiments he could be Grixis.

Love of efficiency, hatred of weakness, freedom of expression. You differ in science versus nature, learning for its own sake versus learning for survival.

[Ninjaman]

I'm thinking that with Liliana no longer being a villain, now would be a good time for Garruk to come back and bite her butt. I like it because it would probably involve at least an attempt at trying to heal him, which ties back to Lili's brother.

[Spore]

I've heard rumors that Theros might be coming back. I pray that this is the case, cause I love Theros.

Color Philosophy Question: How would you describe a friend of mine? He claims to be Grixis, but TBH I've never seen the slightest bit of black in him. He's a fanatical worshipper of science (Blue) but doesn't do all that well with authority (Red). Lately I've noticed him seeming more and more tribalistic, demonizing people that he doesn't like (aka anti-vaxers and the "bigoted *******s" who "don't believe in science", which I saw as a very White characteristic. He'd probably deny it if I said he seemed Jeskai to me, but do y'all think these characteristics seem to fit?

And if so, what positive traits would be shared with a Red-primary Jund (me)?

Please do not be offended but Magic color personality matching sounds eerily like horoscopes to me...

[LansXero]

It is a time war, they have to fetch the eldrazi to kill him.

Our Lady returns.

Edit: Other then being Phyrexia based I have no idea what the next meta-arc is about. The Weatherlight is back so we have two seta of protags available.

That just leads to a compleated Emrakul down the road and nobody wants that.

Do remember that Yawgmoth was NEVER A PLANESWALKER, and he killed/lobotomized the original oldwalker that brought him into Phyrexia, made Urza fight his master creation for his amusement after having him kill his friends, and almost killed Urza when he believed the 'oldwalkers are all powerful and unbeatable' spiel and trying to tackle Phyrexia on his own.

Then instead of wimping out like Bolas with his army of dead teens, he built a whole freaking world of nanomachines, and then threw that entire world on top of his target world, watsaplanarbridge.jpg.

Emrakul got punk'd by neowalkers with attitude. Not even a match.

[Tvtyrant]

That just leads to a compleated Emrakul down the road and nobody wants that.

Do remember that Yawgmoth was NEVER A PLANESWALKER, and he killed/lobotomized the original oldwalker that brought him into Phyrexia, made Urza fight his master creation for his amusement after having him kill his friends, and almost killed Urza when he believed the 'oldwalkers are all powerful and unbeatable' spiel and trying to tackle Phyrexia on his own.

Then instead of wimping out like Bolas with his army of dead teens, he built a whole freaking world of nanomachines, and then threw that entire world on top of his target world, watsaplanarbridge.jpg.

Emrakul got punk'd by neowalkers with attitude. Not even a match.

Emrakul got beaten by a group of Oldwalkers channeling an entire plane to use as a weapon, her incomplete remnant lost to Nuwalkers. The plot would be more like Eldrazi+New Phyrexia+Gatewatch vs Yawgmoth, because villain vs villain is more fun.

I know it won't happen, but I happen to like extravaganza type sets. War of the Spark was amazing.

[LaZodiac]

Everything Yawgmoth did was pre-mending, where the planar bounds where more fragile.

Emrakul was sealed away with her fellows by Ugin, Sorin, and Nahiri pre-mending as well.

The Gatewatch did not defeat Emrakul. At all. You have to understand this. Emrakul was amused by their struggle and decided it'd make more sense to bide her time till they would be more receptive of her great will. The heroes did not defeat her.

[Fable Wright]

He'd probably deny it if I said he seemed Jeskai to me, but do y'all think these characteristics seem to fit?

No, just Temur. I view him as viewing science as a dogma rather that engaging in critical review and consideration. Temur bands with his tribe, hates the outsiders, and respects those who do science. Unless he is aiming to profit from demonization, he doesn't seem black to me.

And if so, what positive traits would be shared with a Red-primary Jund (me)?

Indeterminate, since colors are descriptive rather than prescriptive and most personality traits are independent of color alignment. Have you considered instead numerology, horoscopes, and online quizzes?

[Gaius Hermicus]

No, just Temur. I view him as viewing science as a dogma rather that engaging in critical review and consideration. Temur bands with his tribe, hates the outsiders, and respects those who do science. Unless he is aiming to profit from demonization, he doesn't seem black to me.

That makes sense to me. Up until a month ago I had him down as Temur, before I seized on the idea of "dogmatism=white". You seem to have him down pretty well.

Izzet or Jeskai seem fine, if he believes in unethical scientific experiments he could be Grixis.

Love of efficiency, hatred of weakness, freedom of expression. You differ in science versus nature, learning for its own sake versus learning for survival.

That just sounds like Izzet. Is he concerned with finances? That’s a little black.

Or maybe pure Izzet. It's definitely his strongest pair, but I try to avoid two-color combinations for people, because it misses out on crucial bits of personality (yes, I know the entire system does this). Four is too complicated/boring, but three is the perfect number.

Please do not be offended but Magic color personality matching sounds eerily like horoscopes to me...

Indeterminate, since colors are descriptive rather than prescriptive and most personality traits are independent of color alignment. Have you considered instead numerology, horoscopes, and online quizzes?

I am not offended. I get that a lot.

I don't think this particular friendship is on the rocks or anything. There is no immediate need to sort things out, but I enjoy sorting people by color and other theoretical systems and I thought it would be enjoyable to conduct an experiment and see whether the color chart matches up with personal philosophy differences.

And no, I do not follow my horoscope. I also don't use online quizzes to sort people, in fact it is those types who give all "lets-put-people-into-arbitrary-distinctions" people a bad name.

[tgva8889]

Nicol Bolas also definitely isn't dead, so I'm sure at some point far down the road we'll see him wreak some havoc again.

[LaZodiac]

Nicol Bolas also definitely isn't dead, so I'm sure at some point far down the road we'll see him wreak some havoc again.

Honestly not for a VERY long time. Everyone thinks he's dead due to Jace and he lost his spark and all his magic. He can't see he can't fly he can barely move. Dude's not going anywhere for a long time. Also Ugin is there, forever, watching him.

[Tvtyrant]

Honestly not for a VERY long time. Everyone thinks he's dead due to Jace and he lost his spark and all his magic. He can't see he can't fly he can barely move. Dude's not going anywhere for a long time. Also Ugin is there, forever, watching him.

Bolas will probably come back after the next version of the Mending, so at least five years.

Ironically I only started liking the Gatewatch plot with Hour of Devastation, and now they are dialing it back. Having them get stomped gave the whole thing more poignancy, and Jace became a lot more likable.

[LaZodiac]

Bolas will probably come back after the next version of the Mending, so at least five years.

Ironically I only started liking the Gatewatch plot with Hour of Devastation, and now they are dialing it back. Having them get stomped gave the whole thing more poignancy, and Jace became a lot more likable.

T... there is never going to be anything like the Mending again. At all. The Mending is called as such because it's literally both in and out of universe them scrabbling together everything they can to fix the canon so it's actually usable. The canon is reasonable now, there's not a reason to ever have something that intrinsicly changes the nature of the spark again, because it's good now.

[Emmerlaus]

It would be bad if they changed the lore now with the Netflix serie incoming about MTG.

[Zhentarim]

That makes sense to me. Up until a month ago I had him down as Temur, before I seized on the idea of "dogmatism=white". You seem to have him down pretty well.




Or maybe pure Izzet. It's definitely his strongest pair, but I try to avoid two-color combinations for people, because it misses out on crucial bits of personality (yes, I know the entire system does this). Four is too complicated/boring, but three is the perfect number.




I am not offended. I get that a lot.

I don't think this particular friendship is on the rocks or anything. There is no immediate need to sort things out, but I enjoy sorting people by color and other theoretical systems and I thought it would be enjoyable to conduct an experiment and see whether the color chart matches up with personal philosophy differences.

And no, I do not follow my horoscope. I also don't use online quizzes to sort people, in fact it is those types who give all "lets-put-people-into-arbitrary-distinctions" people a bad name.

Well, I can’t get anymore accurate for myself than black/blue. According to this test, I’m overwhelmingly black/blue:
https://still-anchorage-15218.herokuapp.com/resultsPage

That said, if we were going with a three color identity, I am pegged as 20% green and only 10% white and 10% red, so Sultai would fit me best.

What matters to me is I grow stronger and richer and more knowledgeable, while my enemies grow weaker and poorer and more ignorant. I do whatever it takes to win in the long run—rather that means suppressing my emotions to work under somebody or betraying somebody at a crucial moment.

[LansXero]

Well, I can’t get anymore accurate for myself than black/blue. According to this test, I’m overwhelmingly black/blue:
https://still-anchorage-15218.herokuapp.com/resultsPage

That said, if we were going with a three color identity, I am pegged as 20% green and only 10% white and 10% red, so Sultai would fit me best.

What matters to me is I grow stronger and richer and more knowledgeable, while my enemies grow weaker and poorer and more ignorant. I do whatever it takes to win in the long run—rather that means suppressing my emotions to work under somebody or betraying somebody at a crucial moment.

Yes but how is that relevant to the card game?

[tgva8889]

Honestly not for a VERY long time. Everyone thinks he's dead due to Jace and he lost his spark and all his magic. He can't see he can't fly he can barely move. Dude's not going anywhere for a long time. Also Ugin is there, forever, watching him.

Sure, but things change. If they were going to kill him, they would have just killed him. After all, you don't get rid of a perfectly good villain. They've kept the story resource available to them should they come up with a good reason to use it. Bolas still has allies out there.

[LaZodiac]

Sure, but things change. If they were going to kill him, they would have just killed him. After all, you don't get rid of a perfectly good villain. They've kept the story resource available to them should they come up with a good reason to use it. Bolas still has allies out there.

Yeah but don't expect Bolas in five years. We just got finished with what are effectively ten entire years of Bolas. We're not seeing him again for a very long time.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Can we please discuss the actual game, not the incredibly vague and dumb colour philosophies?

Any cards people are excited to get from MH1? I know a few people after Urza and Ayula.

[Ninjaman]

I know how it relates to Magic the Gathering, but all this talk about color identity of real people probably veers too close to a philosophical discussion to really belong in this thread.

[Spore]

Can I just say, I love Command the Dreadhorde with Golgari Explore core? :)

A megalomaniac win con that uses the graveyard, life as ressource, goes off like a combo deck and is still fun to interact with. It also crushes Mono Red

[LansXero]

Can I just say, I love Command the Dreadhorde with Golgari Explore core? :)

A megalomaniac win con that uses the graveyard, life as ressource, goes off like a combo deck and is still fun to interact with. It also crushes Mono Red

Mono Red just won our local MCQ so that seems interest. Got a list?

[Spore]

Mono Red just won our local MCQ so that seems interest. Got a list?

There ya go: https://aetherhub.com/Deck/Public/119716

[Tvtyrant]

Anyone else find cabal therapist really frustrating? The only way to use it I can find is sack it to itself.

If menace was death touch it would at least have been flexible, but its timing means you can't really peak at their hand to know what to pick until t3 (either peak t1 or peak after activation t2.)

[Zhentarim]

What is the worst creature card?

[Mystic Muse]

What is the worst creature card?

It depends on what your metric for "Worst" is.

Is it Scornful Egotist? Him having a very high CMC only allows for some very narrow applications.

Is it chimney imp? Similar scenario, very high CMC for what little it does.

Is it Wood Elemental? It's probably Wood Elemental.

In addition to costing 4 to cast in the first place, you then have to sacrifice UNTAPPED forests in order for him to do anything. I legitimately cannot imagine a deck or scenario where Wood Elemental is a card you ever actually want to play. You're overpaying for a creature that is functionally vanilla.

Funnily, he might be usable in decks like Titania, Omnath Locus of Rage, or even Lord Windgrace if the "untapped" restriction weren't there.

[Tvtyrant]

I think Leviathan was a strong contender from my youth. He was so very Timmy, but in the wrong colors and so expensive no one every lived to cast it.