OOTS #1117 - The Discussion Thread

[137beth]

Of the order, Roy and V have always been the straight men, Durkon has swung both ways, and Roy, Elan, and Belkar are generally the comics. As such, V delivering a line in perfect deadpan is completely expected.

(Emphasis mine)

I'm pretty sure that second "Roy" is supposed to say "Haley."

[rferries]

You forgot the step where if the SR fails, Blackwing still gets the WILL Save. Also, black spell damage marks aren't going to show up well against the black feathers of a raven.

And he gets to use V's will save (with his own animal Wisdom, no less!).

However, he shows damage as red marks, like any living creature.

[factotum]

I'm wondering if Roy has accounted for the risk of The Evil Trio yanking V. away again in coming up with this plan. V. is completely invulnerable in that state, and Durkula has no idea what is going on. If they keep attacking V. while V.'s soul is elsewhere, that would literally make V. the perfect tank until they wise up.

So--why would the IFCC do that, exactly? We have no reason to believe they want to help the Order in this fight, and if they wanted to remove V as a factor the time to do it would have been long before the Order actually reached the confrontation with Durkula. I also seriously doubt that the IFCC's final aim is for the world to be destroyed--Evil aren't one big happy family, it's not a "win" for them if Hel becomes the leader of the Northern Pantheon.

[Fyraltari]

So--why would the IFCC do that, exactly? We have no reason to believe they want to help the Order in this fight, and if they wanted to remove V as a factor the time to do it would have been long before the Order actually reached the confrontation with Durkula. I also seriously doubt that the IFCC's final aim is for the world to be destroyed--Evil aren't one big happy family, it's not a "win" for them if Hel becomes the leader of the Northern Pantheon.

Yes but the order knows even less about them than we do. V wasn't there for the "evil is a big happy family line". So Roy has to plan with taking into account that his wizard could temporary turn to stone with absolutely zero forewarning at the whim of people whose agenda he does not know. That paranoïa factor is explicitly part of the reason they are doing this. "What are you going to do? Nothing important ever again?" Of course that could be reverse psychology.

[Lord Torath]

Comic 1005 panels 4 and 5, Roy swings a +5 magical sword through the mist a couple of times to no visible effect.

Not the first time damaging attacks have had no visible effect on their target.

[rferries]

Not the first time damaging attacks have had no visible effect on their target.

I feel like that's a special case, though? Given how the elemental was meant to be an amorphous mass of sand?

[Shining Wrath]

I feel like that's a special case, though? Given how the elemental was meant to be an amorphous mass of sand?

As opposed to a shapeless cloud of gas?

[Rogar Demonblud]

And he gets to use V's will save (with his own animal Wisdom, no less!).

However, he shows damage as red marks, like any living creature.

That's physical damage, not spell. If you hadn't noticed, Rich is evolving how he shows these things.

[Keltest]

That's physical damage, not spell. If you hadn't noticed, Rich is evolving how he shows these things.

Historically there has been little difference between physical damage and spell damage. Negative energy is a specific exception but getting hit with, say, a fireball has typically been shown with red lines as well.

[8BitNinja]

And about your bleed air (aria sanguina in your language, I guess), I suppose you'd say aria sanguigna, second word meaning "bloody".

I don't think you understand, a crucial thing about bleeding air.

You see, contrary to popular belief, vampire spawns are inflatable. So when they are stabbed, they bleed air. This bloody air that you are talking about exists, but merely refers to vampire air, which does not carry vampirism. It is merely stale air.

[KorvinStarmast]

Well, Ponchella sounds very similar to Vampirella, a comic book vampire super heroine.

Oh my, I'd forgotten about her. I remember those comics now. Wow, blast from the past.

And about your bleed air (aria sanguina in your language, I guess), I suppose you'd say aria sanguigna, second word meaning "bloody".

Actually, what I was attempting to get across was "bloody aria" since an "aria" is a kind of song (in Italian) and I have found that a lot of times, in Italian, the adjective comes after the noun: spaghetti Bolognese or spagehetti arabiata puts the descriptive adjective after the noun. Vino rosso likewise, vino bianco ... whereas in English the adjective usually comes before the noun: red wine, white wine.

aria: In Italian, and in English as imported from Italian, aria is a form of song). There's a related English word air that also means song, though it may have fallen from general use.

Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore,
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore.

[Shining Wrath]

Oh my, I'd forgotten about her. I remember those comics now. Wow, blast from the past.
Actually, what I was attempting to get across was "bloody aria" since an "aria" is a kind of song (in Italian) and I have found that a lot of times, in Italian, the adjective comes after the noun: spaghetti Bolognese or spagehetti arabiata puts the descriptive adjective after the noun. Vino rosso likewise, vino bianco ... whereas in English the adjective usually comes before the noun: red wine, white wine.

aria: In Italian, and in English as imported from Italian, aria is a form of song). There's a related English word air that also means song, though it may have fallen from general use.

"Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore,
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore."

N.B.: no one can hum a fugue, because a fugue requires several overlaying copies of the same melody.

Anyway, I still use "air" when I mean a tune, but normally only when speaking of classical music; it'd feel a little odd to call a rock tune an "air".

[Thurulian]

the story is really getting good, im kinda curious about whether or not the virus that Hel foreshadowed earlier will ever appear.

[rferries]

As opposed to a shapeless cloud of gas?

Yes, I misinterpreted the comment haha.

That's physical damage, not spell. If you hadn't noticed, Rich is evolving how he shows these things.

I jumped back 100 strips or so:

#1034 - sonic damage inflicts red wounds
#1052 - fireball inflicts red wounds (plus black lines on armour)
#1056 - magic missile inflicts red wounds
#1058 -frostbite inflicts black lines
#1059 - prismatic spray (orange) inflicts orange acid stain
#1093 - glyph of warding & searing light inflict red wounds

Bonus undead:
#1002 - physical damage inflicts purple wound on Greg
#1117 - spell damage inflicts purple wounds on vampires

Note also that damage generally seems to contrast with the character's colours - Xykon gets black cracks on his skull, but white lines on his robes (presumably bone showing through the tears). If Blackwing was damaged I bet he'd show some sort of contrasting colour at least, but he doesn't so he's probably unscathed.

[S@tanicoaldo]

Can I just say I'm loving all the chaos themed spells? All the colors and all the love for chaos spells. ^o^

Embrace the chaos!

[zimmerwald1915]

You forgot the step where if the SR fails, Blackwing still gets the WILL Save. Also, black spell damage marks aren't going to show up well against the black feathers of a raven.

I forgot neither of those things, and have raised them both previously.

[Ruck]

Of the order, Roy and V have always been the straight men, Durkon has swung both ways, and Roy Haley, Elan, and Belkar are generally the comics. As such, V delivering a line in perfect deadpan is completely expected.

"Oh, my, what a completely unprecedented reaction to spending more than ten minutes in your company."

[Shining Wrath]

"Oh, my, what a completely unprecedented reaction to spending more than ten minutes in your company."

"Also, that mustache did him no favors".

[Doug Lampert]

If you're going to throw out random quotes, at least include the link.

"Oh, my, what a completely unprecedented reaction to spending more than ten minutes in your company."

Panel Three.

"Also, that mustache did him no favors".

Panel Seven I think, although the quote is not exact so you may have a different reference.

V says, "Yes, but that mustache did not do him any favors either."

[Shining Wrath]

If you're going to throw out random quotes, at least include the link.



Panel Three.



Panel Seven I think, although the quote is not exact so you may have a different reference.

V says, "Yes, but that mustache did not do him any favors either."

My apologies, I didn't quote V precisely. Point established: V uses deadpan sarcasm from time to time, mainly to insult someone.

[JumboWheat01]

Can I just say I'm loving all the chaos themed spells? All the colors and all the love for chaos spells. ^o^

Embrace the chaos!

You silly chaos people. Law is the way to go!

[georgie_leech]

You silly chaos people. Law is the way to go!

Bah, why tie yourself down to any ideology? Neutrals of the world, unite!

Or don't. Whatever seems like a good idea in your individual circumstances.

[Fyraltari]

Bah, why tie yourself down to any ideology? Neutrals of the world, unite!

Or don't. Whatever seems like a good idea in your individual circumstances.

Sounds chaotic to me.

[georgie_leech]

Sounds chaotic to me.

Nah, we're perfectly fine with order and structure and whatnot. We just don't see it as inherently desirable enough to be Lawful

[Emanick]

Or you could be like me and enjoy the benefits of both Law and Chaos, and simply be inconsistent! Which is Neutral, I guess.

[lcavalheiro]

Oh my, I'd forgotten about her. I remember those comics now. Wow, blast from the past.
Actually, what I was attempting to get across was "bloody aria" since an "aria" is a kind of song (in Italian) and I have found that a lot of times, in Italian, the adjective comes after the noun: spaghetti Bolognese or spagehetti arabiata puts the descriptive adjective after the noun. Vino rosso likewise, vino bianco ... whereas in English the adjective usually comes before the noun: red wine, white wine.

aria: In Italian, and in English as imported from Italian, aria is a form of song). There's a related English word air that also means song, though it may have fallen from general use.

In all Neolatin languages (French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.), the common order is noun-adjective. For example, silly boy would translate as garoto bobo in Portuguese (garoto being the noun).

And about your aria, well... it was an attempted pun, since aria means both air and type of song in Italian. Since you want to say bloody aria in Italian, aria sanguigna. Your first attempt, aria sanguina, means bleed aria in Italian.

[Manty5]

Nah, we're perfectly fine with order and structure and whatnot. We just don't see it as inherently desirable enough to be Lawful

As Elan so adroitly pointed out, what's the point of being chaotic if you still have to wear pants?

[Rockphed]

In all Neolatin languages (French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.), the common order is noun-adjective. For example, silly boy would translate as garoto bobo in Portuguese (garoto being the noun).

And about your aria, well... it was an attempted pun, since aria means both air and type of song in Italian. Since you want to say bloody aria in Italian, aria sanguigna. Your first attempt, aria sanguina, means bleed aria in Italian.

In French at least there is a class of adjectives that precede nouns and a class of adjectives that follow nouns. I don't remember off the top of my head which is which.

[Fyraltari]

In French at least there is a class of adjectives that precede nouns and a class of adjectives that follow nouns. I don't remember off the top of my head which is which.

Pretty much all of them go after with just some exceptions (like old/young) but there are no easy way to remmeber them. Also you can inverse them if you are being poetic in what case it is grammatically correct provided you do enough dramatic gestures.

[Peelee]

Pretty much all of them go after with just some exceptions (like old/young) but there are no easy way to remmeber them. Also you can inverse them if you are being poetic in what case it is grammatically correct provided you do enough dramatic gestures.

Dramatic gestures being used to make things correct is the most Hollywood thing ever.