The Elder Scrolls XV: This is my Thu'um Stick

[Archpaladin Zousha]

Funnily enough, YAAAAAA is Dov for "ACME" HOO-HOO-HOO is simply "Doesn't have" and "HOOEY" is "Warranty"

Didn't think they sold to Disney employees too...

Unless you're staring at an oncoming apocalypse, then any time is a good time to embrace the weirdness and wonder of Vvardenfell.

I'm wondering how to get the plug-ins, though. I don't think they're included on Steam and the links are broken since the game's so old.

Besides, part of me wonders if I should go REALLY old school and try out Arena and Daggerfall...see that's why I'm so hesitant to dive back in. It'd be a COMMITMENT. And these days commitments sure can look like oncoming apocalypses...

[Vinyadan]

Has anyone tried the Summerset mod? From the little I have seen, it looks very special and weird in a Morrowind way, and I have read enthusiastic review, but I haven't played it yet.

[Triaxx]

If you're Morrowind now, you owe yourself a look at OpenMW.

[Balmas]

I'm wondering how to get the plug-ins, though. I don't think they're included on Steam and the links are broken since the game's so old.

Ask, and the internet provides.

[Caelestion]

You can also buy the GOTY version on GOG, which comes with the official mods.

[Morty]

Besides, part of me wonders if I should go REALLY old school and try out Arena and Daggerfall...see that's why I'm so hesitant to dive back in. It'd be a COMMITMENT. And these days commitments sure can look like oncoming apocalypses...

Having played Daggerfall, I don't think committing to it is much of a risk. It's an interesting experience, and worth a try, but the extreme user-unfriendliness and bugs make playing it for long unlikely.

[factotum]

I actually tried getting back into Daggerfall quite recently, got as far as the world map, and found there was a problem--for some reason the mouse cursor was jumping two pixels each time along the horizontal axis, and since you need to click exactly on one of those single-pixel dots to get info on a destination or fast travel there, that made things a bit of an issue! There is a remake called "Daggerfall: Unity" around, though, has anyone tried that?

[Archpaladin Zousha]

Having played Daggerfall, I don't think committing to it is much of a risk. It's an interesting experience, and worth a try, but the extreme user-unfriendliness and bugs make playing it for long unlikely.

I dunno, despite my tendency to flit from hyperfixation to hyperfixation, I can be pretty stubborn when it comes to completing each and every sidequest thr game has to offer (part of why my relationship with Skyrim is so love-hate, those randomly-generated quests mean you're never truly DONE with the game).

[Morty]

I dunno, despite my tendency to flit from hyperfixation to hyperfixation, I can be pretty stubborn when it comes to completing each and every sidequest thr game has to offer (part of why my relationship with Skyrim is so love-hate, those randomly-generated quests mean you're never truly DONE with the game).

Well, that's not going to happen in Daggerfall, where just about everything is randomly-generated and the area covered is absolutely massive. But I was talking more about the interface and difficulty.

[Resileaf]

Well, that's not going to happen in Daggerfall, where just about everything is randomly-generated and the area covered is absolutely massive. But I was talking more about the interface and difficulty.

Archaic interface can break a game when you're used to something more convenient. Especially when those games come from an era when computer mouse had one button. You don't know what you have until you no longer have it.

[factotum]

Archaic interface can break a game when you're used to something more convenient. Especially when those games come from an era when computer mouse had one button. You don't know what you have until you no longer have it.

There never was such an era, at least as far as PC mice are concerned--they always had two. It was Apple that insisted on only having one button on their mice.

[Vinyadan]

IIRC, Arena actually had some commands tied to the right mouse button. If you clicked on the board with different buttons, it would do different things.

[LibraryOgre]

I've occasionally jumped on Arena, to fiddle about with my "Eternal Hero" concept (a female Altmer "Healer" who happens to be the Champion of Cyrodil, the Agent in Daggerfall, the Nerevarine, the Hero of Kvatch, and the Dragonborn; being an Altmer lets her bridge the time between Arena and Morrowind, after which she becomes immortal due to Corpus), and the lack of WASD is one of my biggest interface issues. Like, there's a lot you miss, but the WASD and right hand mouse is just pervasively not there.

[Resileaf]

There never was such an era, at least as far as PC mice are concerned--they always had two. It was Apple that insisted on only having one button on their mice.

Then I cannot explain why else Red Alert 1 (or 2, whichever is the one I played on Origin) does not use the right mouse button in any way.

I've occasionally jumped on Arena, to fiddle about with my "Eternal Hero" concept (a female Altmer "Healer" who happens to be the Champion of Cyrodil, the Agent in Daggerfall, the Nerevarine, the Hero of Kvatch, and the Dragonborn; being an Altmer lets her bridge the time between Arena and Morrowind, after which she becomes immortal due to Corpus), and the lack of WASD is one of my biggest interface issues. Like, there's a lot you miss, but the WASD and right hand mouse is just pervasively not there.

Although that's a fun concept, there is a little issue that the Hero of Kvatch is also the new Sheogorath, so that makes it a little difficult to continue adventuring.
To make up for it, I personally have my character be the companion of the actual hero of the games.
I certainly wish we knew what were the life spans of races in that setting...

[Divayth Fyr]

If you're Morrowind now, you owe yourself a look at OpenMW.

Or the newest version of MGE XE, with its lua scripting and such ;)

And the official mods are largely a waste of time.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

I've occasionally jumped on Arena, to fiddle about with my "Eternal Hero" concept (a female Altmer "Healer" who happens to be the Champion of Cyrodil, the Agent in Daggerfall, the Nerevarine, the Hero of Kvatch, and the Dragonborn; being an Altmer lets her bridge the time between Arena and Morrowind, after which she becomes immortal due to Corpus), and the lack of WASD is one of my biggest interface issues. Like, there's a lot you miss, but the WASD and right hand mouse is just pervasively not there.

Did she liberate the Battlespire too?

Technically with this setup you wouldn't NEED to be an elf prior to Morrowind making you immortal. The length of time between Arena and Morrowind is only 16 years. Even HUMANS could live that long!

[Yuki Akuma]

An Altmer could theoretically live through the events of Arena and survive to be a hero during the events of Skyrim without even needing to be immortal. They live a long time.

[LibraryOgre]

Although that's a fun concept, there is a little issue that the Hero of Kvatch is also the new Sheogorath, so that makes it a little difficult to continue adventuring.
To make up for it, I personally have my character be the companion of the actual hero of the games.
I certainly wish we knew what were the life spans of races in that setting...

From what I understand, elves tend to live about twice to three times as long as humans, everyone else lives about as long as humans.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/481 (you have to put your birthdate in; quoted below)

Elves live two to three times as long as humans and the “beast-races” (Orcs, Khajiiti, Argonians). A 200-year-old Elf is old; a 300-year-old Elf is very, very old indeed. Anyone older than that has prolonged his or her lifespan through powerful magic.

Did she liberate the Battlespire too?

Technically with this setup you wouldn't NEED to be an elf prior to Morrowind making you immortal. The length of time between Arena and Morrowind is only 16 years. Even HUMANS could live that long!

Yes, but there's a couple ancillary reasons to be an Altmer

1) It lets me stay fairly young throughout. At 42, I know a 36 year old Nerevarine isn't that old, but, hey, I want it.
2) Daggerfall is screwed up in a few ways, one of which is that most of the racial abilities were not properly implemented. The only one that WAS is a High Elf's immunity to paralyzation. So being a High Elf in Daggerfall (if I ever get around to it) is a great advantage.

As for "Why Healer", it goes back to Arena... a Healer in Arena is a fairly stout class, with good magic and melee options; custom spells for them in Arena can be VERY nice. Bard might fit the "Can do Anything" aspect of later Elder Scrolls games, but I tend to just figure that Cana picked some things up as she went.

[Resileaf]

From what I understand, elves tend to live about twice to three times as long as humans, everyone else lives about as long as humans.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/481 (you have to put your birthdate in; quoted below)

I have searched for that information for years. Oh my god, finally an answer to something I've tried to find out since I started writing character journals in Morrowind.

[Caelestion]

Noble elves seem to live longer still for some reason. Queen Barenziah is mentioned as being over 500 and she's clearly not a powerful wizard-lord or anything like that. (She was also acquainted with both Tiber Septim and Jagar Than, if we believe her biography, so being five centuries old isn't just hyperbole.)

[Archpaladin Zousha]

That discussion about interfaces and difficulties of older games got me wondering if I should just boot up Skyrim again instead of going through the hassle of reinstalling Morrowind...I already HAVE Skyrim installed and I never finished its main quest...

[Aeson]

Technically with this setup you wouldn't NEED to be an elf prior to Morrowind making you immortal. The length of time between Arena and Morrowind is only 16 years. Even HUMANS could live that long!

The Eternal Champion of Arena ended the Imperial Simulacrum in 3E 399; Morrowind starts in 3E 427. 30 years between the games would be closer to the mark than 16.

Noble elves seem to live longer still for some reason. Queen Barenziah is mentioned as being over 500 and she's clearly not a powerful wizard-lord or anything like that. (She was also acquainted with both Tiber Septim and Jagar Than, if we believe her biography, so being five centuries old isn't just hyperbole.)

Personally, I'm inclined to think that it's less that noble elves live longer and more that they decided to make elven lifespans shorter after Morrowind, but a bunch of notable elves already had longer ages set and they elected not to re-write the in-game histories to get the ages to better match. There's no indication anywhere that I can recall that suggests that Barenziah's age, or for example Vorian Direnni (author of the Oblivion in-game book De Rerum Dirennis, states his age to be 600 years in the introduction), is particularly exceptional.

Also, note that Barenziah's son Helseth was born 3E 376, when she's ~479, and her daughter Morgian was born 3E 384. If elven fertility is anything like human fertility, that suggests that Barenziah's at most in her late middle ages despite being the best part of 500 years old whereas if the typical elven lifespan is only ~200 years you'd think that a 500-year-old elf would roughly correspond to a 100-year-old human even if 200 years is to an elf about what 40 is to a human. If 200 years is to an elf more like what 60 or 70 is to a human, Barenziah having multiple children at ~500 looks exceptionally unlikely.

[LibraryOgre]

Noble elves seem to live longer still for some reason. Queen Barenziah is mentioned as being over 500 and she's clearly not a powerful wizard-lord or anything like that. (She was also acquainted with both Tiber Septim and Jagar Than, if we believe her biography, so being five centuries old isn't just hyperbole.)

She also might not BE a wizard, but she can certainly AFFORD wizards.

[Caelestion]

Well, Barenziah looks easily the equivalent of 60 in MW, but yes, she's mostly likely the victim of a ret-con.

[Archpaladin Zousha]

The Eternal Champion of Arena ended the Imperial Simulacrum in 3E 399; Morrowind starts in 3E 427. 30 years between the games would be closer to the mark than 16.

Huh...I read that Daggerfall took place 10 years after Arena and Morrowind took place 6 years after Daggerfall, which I added together to get 16 years?

[Caelestion]

The Warp in the West (at the end of DF) was 3E 417.

[Vinyadan]

Huh...I read that Daggerfall took place 10 years after Arena and Morrowind took place 6 years after Daggerfall, which I added together to get 16 years?

Oh well, someone call tech support, the dragon just broke again.

[Aeson]

So, I think where the confusion is coming from is that Daggerfall starts in 3E 405, six years after the end of Arena, and ends in 3E 417, ten years prior to Morrowind.

[Caelestion]

It takes the Agent twelve years to complete the main plot, yet the succeeding games all happen within the last four months of each game's starting year??

[Resileaf]

Well Daggerfall takes place on something like the entire Imperial-held territory, so it's only natural that it will take more time compared to the other games that take place in smaller areas.