OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread

[zimmerwald1915]

Haley and Vaarsuvius haven't passed through the orange barrier.

Nor will they.

[Anarion]

The eyeless worm being able to detect invisibility at long range feels a little unfair.

[Peelee]

The eyeless worm being able to detect invisibility at long range feels a little unfair.

The earless birds always chirping up a storm to try to get a mate by their songs seems a little unfair.

[Reboot]

" 'Sorry, did I say something wrong?' said Marvin, dragging himself on regardless. 'Pardon me for breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't know why I bother to say it, "

[zimmerwald1915]

The earless birds always chirping up a storm to try to get a mate by their songs seems a little unfair.

And the deaf ear will hear when the mute songbird sings his song of the joy at the heart of all things.

[Gusion]

Have you met me?

Not to my knowledge. This online stuff doesn't count.

But fine, yeah, I mean, they obviously have a plan here. But if I were V at this point probably, oh. I don't know. Reverse gravity maybe, it is hard to tell how big the creature really is based on what we've seen, so maybe the entire thing would go flying up. No SR, no save. Ideally it could get both of them.

Yes, they could dispel it, but that's not a guarantee. It is a very useful spell all in all, because if they dispel it after one round then they fall again - maybe with luck get 20d6 worth of damage - 10 each way.

Other options would be rock to mud or a greater shout at the ceiling. I'd have to chat with the DM on how he'd do that before casting though. Can't vote if I bring the whole thing down, so pure unmitigated destruction is a perfectly valid way of saving the world here.

[Kareasint]

Purple is often used as a substitute for black, because giving depth and dimension to black objects is more difficult.

I suspect that seeing this in book form may also be a reason. Rich may have selected this color to allow details to still be visible when put into the book format. He has noted in the past where he selected a color for the online comic and it turned out to be completely unusable for a book.

[ijuinkun]

I kind of assumed anything that can use see invisibility freely would always have it running.

Or at least it had it running because it had just been given a guard duty assignment. Anyway, Hel made a good call by giving this worm some brains.

[RicB76]

I think Blackwing is also busy looking for the worm food.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I love the Nightcrawler. Partly because the Monty Python jokes write themselves, but also partly because he’ll definitely make an interesting fight for the Order. I wonder if, so as not to upstage the fight with the former High Priest of Hel, something is going to happen so that it’s not quite a full fight. Something like the Nightcrawler leaving early, or the Order having a surprise up their sleeve.

Also, it took me a little longer than I’d like to admit to get what Blackwing was saying. Poor raven.

[137beth]

Loving this creature's attitude
I'm looking forwards to this battle.

[ImpSpell]

Haley and Vaarsuvius haven't passed through the orange barrier.

Ah! Thanks. Somehow I kept seeing it as them having gotten past already, and turning back to look at him as he cast the spell to make them visible.

[FireJustice]

there's a point in power in a campaign that using invisibility (as 2nd spell level Invisibility) is just plain insulting.

Everybody gets it so early.
Any villain worth its salt (like, more than 3HD) will know about invisibility.
Even belkar knows about the IMPROVED invisibility ffs

[darkness@noon]

[QUOTE=hamishspence;23784646]Nightcrawlers have See Invisibility as an at-will spell-like ability:


OMG that's SO broken.

What about a nice Pathfinder nightcrawler that gets a charisma bonus to HP and more cold spells?

Yah baby. No "see invisibility" any more!

(I use nightshades to stalk my silver dragon-led party ...so it's only fair that they can stalk back!)

[Rogar Demonblud]

If we're trying an Irresistable Dance spell, can we toss in a Hideous Laughter as well? I want to see if Wormy has a better Evil Laugh^TM than the Exarch.

[kenlund]

what is the range on dispelling magic or greater dispelling? If Haley and V lose their flying spells, it looks like quite a drop at the moment.

Not a problem. Dispel is as if the duration had ended, fly lets you down gently if the duration ends.

Doug is correct but on the off chance that you are still interested in the answer, the range of Dispel Magic (and it's greater version) is 100 ft +10 ft per caster level, which is a lot longer than the range of invisibility purge.

It didn't seem like they landed gently when the Frost Giants dispelled magic on V and Haley during the fight in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1059.html
That was the strip I was using as precedence that they would fall and not gently. At least it seemed pretty hard in 1059 when compared to the time V used feather fall on Haley when she was defenestrated out of Tarquin's palace.

Thanks for the answering!

[Living Oxymoron]

I bet 100gp V is using Sunburst in the next strips.

[Emperor Time]

He's pretty funny for a death-worm.

[Ridureyu]

Guys, I think that the worm is immortal and unkillable. Think about it: No eyes = No X's for eyes = No death!

[ratfox]

Wait, the giant worm doesn't have eyes... So it cannot die, right?

EDIT: dammit, ninja'd.

[pearl jam]

Poes are ever a little slow on the uptake
- a Raven, of course

Wouldn't the raven say, "evermore a little slow"?

[locksmith of lo]

can the three dwarves bluff their way in by saying they are thralls?

[Blatt]

That worm has all the makings of an underling who takes instructions so literally that it's effectively useless. I mean, if the OOTS fly in over the platform then the worm doesn't need to take any action, right?!

[Fyraltari]

It is the mark of a professional to make sure they know what their client wants and any details on how to achieve it. Kudos to the worm on that regard.

I agree, I mean when working with undeads "can I destroy the corpses or do you want to use them" is a perfectly valid question.

[warmachine]

Indeed, if you're a Cleric that can cast Invisibility Purge and didn't prepare it, you're a fool. Unless your party has other countermeasures to Invisibility.

If you're a mage of the appropriate level and didn't prepare Invisibility, you're also a fool. Even if you know the enemy has countermeasures, you can usually get a tactical advantage before the invisibility fails.

[Malphegor]

From memory, aren't crows and ravens mechanically identical in 3.5? So that's a fun little thing there in this episode, nobody can tell them apart except via fluff

It is cool to see an intelligent worm though. Unsurprisingly uncommon in most media.

On invisibility, even at the lowest levels (like 1-5) I've seen wizards tend to prep glitterdust or carry bags of flour on their person because ugh invisibility

[zimmerwald1915]

I bet 100gp V is using Sunburst in the next strips.

An SR: yes spell? Bet taken.

[Ghosty]

An SR: yes spell? Bet taken.

Won't touch the nightcrawler, as you already imply, but it'd wreck shop on the two vampires. What are the odds it would kill both of them outright?

Since that can't happen---hard to have a dramatic vote if the entity beguiling the voters gets ashed in an instant---I predict the Giant will find some way to quickly nerf V. Despite what Doug wrote earlier in the thread, would dispelling V's fly spell, especially while V was in the middle of casting, cause the spell to fizzle or for V to be sufficiently injured to take hir out of the fight?

[zimmerwald1915]

Won't touch the nightcrawler, as you already imply, but it'd wreck shop on the two vampires. What are the odds it would kill both of them outright?

Nil. One's already through the orange barrier through which spells cannot pass, and the other will be through it in short order, likely before Vaarsuvius can cast anything.

Since that can't happen---hard to have a dramatic vote if the entity beguiling the voters gets ashed in an instant---I predict the Giant will find some way to quickly nerf V. Despite what Doug wrote earlier in the thread, would dispelling V's fly spell, especially while V was in the middle of casting, cause the spell to fizzle or for V to be sufficiently injured to take hir out of the fight?

Merely dispelling would not injure Vaarsuvius, and while falling damage (which the ordinary fly spell does not permit, but which the OOTS version seems to) would hurt, it would not hurt much. . . unless Vaarsuvius missed the bridge on her way down and fell into the chasm. Which would also be an excellent way of removing her (and Elan, who would be dispatched to heal her or retrieve her body) from the scene.

[KrankenWagon]

would dispelling V's fly spell, especially while V was in the middle of casting, cause the spell to fizzle or for V to be sufficiently injured to take hir out of the fight?

Dispelling the fly would still trigger the feather fall condition, so no fall damage, so probably not