Mystic Muse's Magnificent Masquerade Random Banter #225

[Peelee]

You mean that you watch movies with time travel that don't have horrible unforeseen consequences from going to the past? Weird. I must be watching the wrong movies.

Fry did do the nasty in the pasty.

[LaZodiac]

Anyone who knows me very well in this forum knows that I really don't like change. I mean time travel works in the movies so I really don't see any flaws to it.

I know, and I'm saying that sometimes change is good and needed, and it'll help you grow.

Also um... it works in that it is capable but it never, ever goes well in literally any time travel story.

Fry did do the nasty in the pasty.

Any situation where you end up sleeping with your grandma is a bad one.

[DataNinja]

I mean, have you seen most heroes' starting point?

Yes, they also tend to lack non-suitable skills

I mean, most protagonists can do at least one thing well. Generally besides 'be marketable'.

[Bartmanhomer]

You mean that you watch movies with time travel that don't have horrible unforeseen consequences from going to the past? Weird. I must be watching the wrong movies.

Maybe you are watching the wrong type of movies. Of all the movies that's related to time travelling there was nothing negative that effect the timeline.

I know, and I'm saying that sometimes change is good and needed, and it'll help you grow.

Also um... it works in that it is capable but it never, ever goes well in literally any time travel story.



Any situation where you end up sleeping with your grandma is a bad one.

I understand what you're saying but to me change can be very negative, bad and evil.

[The Fury]

Fry did do the nasty in the pasty.

Uh...

Any situation where you end up sleeping with your grandma is a bad one.

Yes, that.

Also, even though that particular story ends up subverting the idea of a grandfather paradox, it has to acknowledge it as a possibility in order to do so. It also has some darker implications if you unpack it as well. Such as, if Fry was always his own grandfather then he was always meant to go to the past and do... "the nasty." Which suggests that free will isn't real.

Unless you find the idea of a universe controlled by destiny appealing, I guess. Some people do, and I'm not going to judge either way.

Maybe you are watching the wrong type of movies. Of all the movies that's related to time travelling there was nothing negative that effect the timeline.

I must be. Even in stories where the timeline remains intact, the story is usually about averting some disaster caused by monkeying around in the timestream. Otherwise, it usually turns out that the characters that time-traveled and altered past events were always meant to. Which... that whole destiny vs. freewill chestnut.

I understand what you're saying but to me change can be very negative, bad and evil.

Change is difficult. Everyone has to deal with it at some point though. I'm not going to try to convince you that it's for the best, because I know how hollow and phony that sounds. You'll make it though. You're more resilient than you give yourself credit for.

[Peelee]

Any situation where you end up sleeping with your grandma is a bad one.

Eh, it was why he was able to save the universe, so I'd argue that.

Also, even though that particular story ends up subverting the idea of a grandfather paradox, it has to acknowledge it as a possibility in order to do so. It also has some darker implications if you unpack it as well. Such as, if Fry was always his own grandfather then he was always meant to go to the past and do... "the nasty." Which suggests that free will isn't real.

Unless you find the idea of a universe controlled by destiny appealing, I guess. Some people do, and I'm not going to judge either way.

Well, Enos was the original grandfather; Fry actually changed the timeline to make himself his own grandfather with his past nastification.

Yes, that's canon, and they do discuss the mathematical/statistical implications in the commentary, IIRC.

[LaZodiac]

Eh, it was why he was able to save the universe, so I'd argue that.


Well, Enos was the original grandfather; Fry actually changed the timeline to make himself his own grandfather with his past nastification.

Yes, that's canon, and they do discuss the mathematical/statistical implications in the commentary, IIRC.

"I was only able to save the universe because I gave myself paradox incest brain, making me immune to mind control and letting me turn a hivemind of psionic geniuses into dumbasses" is, while positive for saving the day, still a bad situation. It's like saying Rudolph's suffering is okay because he saved the day.

The time stream demands some things happen in order to stay consistent. Regardless of the impossibility of it.

[Bartmanhomer]

I must be. Even in stories where the timeline remains intact, the story is usually about averting some disaster caused by monkeying around in the timestream. Otherwise, it usually turns out that the characters that time-travelled and altered past events were always meant to. Which... that whole destiny vs. freewill chestnut.



Change is difficult. Everyone has to deal with it at some point though. I'm not going to try to convince you that it's for the best, because I know how hollow and phoney that sounds. You'll make it through You're more resilient than you give yourself credit for.

Oh, don't get me started on destiny vs. free will debate. If anybody really enjoys change so much then that person is doing a better job to handle these changes than me.

[Fyraltari]

Wait, is Fry his paternal grandfather or maternal? Because maternal has a very slight chance of being time-loopingly stable while paternal does not.

[Peelee]

"I was only able to save the universe because I gave myself paradox incest brain, making me immune to mind control and letting me turn a hivemind of psionic geniuses into dumbasses" is, while positive for saving the day, still a bad situation.

Fry enjoyed it at the time, and later spoke of it fondly (the said "nasty in the pasty" comment; he seems perfectly fine with it).

Wait, is Fry his paternal grandfather or maternal? Because maternal has a very slight chance of being time-loopingly stable while paternal does not.

Paternal. Fry is Yancy Sr.'s father.

[Tvtyrant]

"I was only able to save the universe because I gave myself paradox incest brain, making me immune to mind control and letting me turn a hivemind of psionic geniuses into dumbasses" is, while positive for saving the day, still a bad situation. It's like saying Rudolph's suffering is okay because he saved the day.

The time stream demands some things happen in order to stay consistent. Regardless of the impossibility of it.

His grandma had skills, is all I'm saying.

Futurama changes how time travel works a few times, the rules are different for each of the major time travel adventures. Including hacking his mom's dreams, which while not quite Jurassic Bark is still terribly sad.

[Fyraltari]

Paternal. Fry is Yancy Sr.'s father.

Welp. Then this makes no sense. Therefore all is well.

[Tvtyrant]

Welp. Then this makes no sense. Therefore all is well.

They time travel using a microwave, it isn't the height of logic anyway :P

[Anonymouswizard]

They time travel using a microwave, it isn't the height of logic anyway :P

It somewhat saddens me they microwave time machines aren't more of a tradition.

Speaking of which, I need to reinstall and actually play that.

[Peelee]

His grandma had skills, is all I'm saying.

Futurama changes how time travel works a few times, the rules are different for each of the major time travel adventures. Including hacking his mom's dreams, which while not quite Jurassic Bark is still terribly sad.

I would like to offer, with zero proof whatsoever, that time travel works perfectly consistently; it's just the various methods of time travel which have their own rules for how it works.

[DataNinja]

I would like to offer, with zero proof whatsoever, that time travel works perfectly consistently; it's just the various methods of time travel which have their own rules for how it works.

Excuse me, there is 100% proof time travel works perfectly. How else is it that every time your insurance either fails one day before something breaks, or doesn't cover the exact thing you're trying to claim for.

[Tvtyrant]

I would like to offer, with zero proof whatsoever, that time travel works perfectly consistently; it's just the various methods of time travel which have their own rules for how it works.

That seems fair in setting. Farnsworth scraps several time travel devices because he doesn't like how they work after all.

[Peelee]

Excuse me, there is 100% proof time travel works perfectly. How else is it that every time your insurance either fails one day before something breaks, or doesn't cover the exact thing you're trying to claim for.

I had a very long rant that I've just deleted in favor of saying: that's not timetravel, that's *******s.

[TaiLiu]

...hey, how did you hear about that? *squint*

Uh, I mean "train? What train?"
>.>
<.<

I mean, I don't see any trains.

There's been, like, fifteen pages of thread progression in about a week. The train may be a ninja, but it's not a very good one.

Less sucky, I have a girlfriend now~

Hey, congrats, LaZodiac! Really glad to hear that.

Anyone who knows me very well in this forum knows that I really don't like change. I mean time travel works in the movies so I really don't see any flaws to it.

Check out this highly technical article on the philosophy of time travel!

[DataNinja]

I had a very long rant that I've just deleted in favor of saying: that's not timetravel, that's *******s.

Fair enough. It's mostly just a joke, but... very fair. Probably best for the sanity of all involved to just leave it there.

There's been, like, fifteen pages of thread progression in about a week. The train may be a ninja, but it's not a very good one.

...oh, yep, must be mine, then.

[Peelee]

Check out this highly technical article on the philosophy of time travel!

There's also this really good documentary.

[LaZodiac]

It somewhat saddens me they microwave time machines aren't more of a tradition.

Speaking of which, I need to reinstall and actually play that.

The best time machine is a hot-tub since you get to relax while you break reality over your knee like a piece of bristol board.

[Peelee]

The best time machine is a hot-tub since you get to relax while you break reality over your knee like a piece of bristol board.

It would be really weird to pick up Abraham Lincoln, Socrates, and Billy the Kid in a hot tub, though.

[Anonymouswizard]

The best time machine is a hot-tub since you get to relax while you break reality over your knee like a piece of bristol board.

I'll be honest I've not seen that movie.

Also, while I think that the best time machine probably has a hot tub, it also has a library, a workshop, multiple bedrooms, a wardrobe with clothing suitable to all clothing and time periods (although the indexing system is in need of some work) and a secondary control room.

[Peelee]

I'll be honest I've not seen that movie.

Also, while I think that the best time machine probably has a hot tub, it also has a library, a workshop, multiple bedrooms, a wardrobe with clothing suitable to all clothing and time periods (although the indexing system is in need of some work) and a secondary control room.

Oh look a relevant SMBC.

[Mystic Muse]

I have a great idea. In order to prevent these major life changes affecting my life. I'll build a time machine and order to stop these major life changes affected me. So that myself all my co-workers won't be moving to a new location and my supervisor won't retire. So what do you think of my great idea?

I think you considering this a great idea in any capacity shows a massive disregard for the lives of everybody around you.

You're showing no apparent care for how this would impact their lives, or what they want, all that matters is your dislike of change. You wanting things not to change is more important to you than their own dreams and desires.

[Anonymouswizard]

Oh look a relevant SMBC.

IT had much better writing back in the day when they could have four episodes or more for a story. Genesis of the Daleks is still my favourite DW serial, and far beyond any of the revival series stories.

I think you considering this a great idea in any capacity shows a massive disregard for the lives of everybody around you.

You're showing no apparent care for how this would impact their lives, or what they want, all that matters is your dislike of change. You wanting things not to change is more important to you than their own dreams and desires.

This.

I understand what Bartmanhomer is saying, change is hard, can be painful, and can feel like the universe hates you. This is only magnified for people on the spectrum, due to the way our brains work. On the other hand Bartmanhomer is showing a distinct lack of empathy here, and not in an autistic 'hard to read emotions' way, his wording implies that he either doesn't understand or doesn't care that his (hopefully jokingly) proposed actions would potentially cause a negative change in the quality of life for other people. And these are the kind of thoughts that can eventually lead to really vile acts with other end goals, but morality and ethics should probably be mostly put aside for now because this is a complicated topic, neither are my field, and I'm fairly certain we're going to get into problematic places if we follow that train.

So to get into D&D teritory, this is actually textbook neutral evil. Now I tend to joke a lot about my alignment, I fall somewhere between TN and LG on the D&D scale if you look at my actions alone, but this is the kind of motivation I might give to a villain. 'Everything was better for me before the things changed, so I'm going to unchange the things and screw everybody else'.

In totally unrelated news, I think my villain's magical ritual in the final part is going to be to attempt to throw themselves back in time and try to undo something that happens maybe a third of the way into the book. Ironically this would likely increase the quality of life of many people, but due to this world's metaphysics (causality is basically required to make all of this work) it has a high chance of just breaking the universe.

[Bartmanhomer]

I think you considering this a great idea in any capacity shows a massive disregard for the lives of everybody around you.

You're showing no apparent care for how this would impact their lives, or what they want, all that matters is your dislike of change. You wanting things not to change is more important to you than their own dreams and desires.

Well it's good for them but not for me.

IT had much better writing back in the day when they could have four episodes or more for a story. Genesis of the Daleks is still my favourite DW serial, and far beyond any of the revival series stories.



This.

I understand what Bartmanhomer is saying, change is hard, can be painful, and can feel like the universe hates you. This is only magnified for people on the spectrum, due to the way our brains work. On the other hand Bartmanhomer is showing a distinct lack of empathy here, and not in an autistic 'hard to read emotions' way, his wording implies that he either doesn't understand or doesn't care that his (hopefully jokingly) proposed actions would potentially cause a negative change in the quality of life for other people. And these are the kind of thoughts that can eventually lead to really vile acts with other end goals, but morality and ethics should probably be mostly put aside for now because this is a complicated topic, neither are my field, and I'm fairly certain we're going to get into problematic places if we follow that train.

So to get into D&D teritory, this is actually textbook neutral evil. Now I tend to joke a lot about my alignment, I fall somewhere between TN and LG on the D&D scale if you look at my actions alone, but this is the kind of motivation I might give to a villain. 'Everything was better for me before the things changed, so I'm going to unchange the things and screw everybody else'.

In totally unrelated news, I think my villain's magical ritual in the final part is going to be to attempt to throw themselves back in time and try to undo something that happens maybe a third of the way into the book. Ironically this would likely increase the quality of life of many people, but due to this world's metaphysics (causality is basically required to make all of this work) it has a high chance of just breaking the universe.

How's my action for disregarding change is evil?

[Anonymouswizard]

Well it's good for them but not for me.


How's my action for disregarding change is evil?

'I'm the only one who matters, if I don't like it than it shouldn't happen!'

You know what, I'm just going to go over here and wonder if it's worth trying to flirt with the pretty trans? girl at Saturday's Christmas do, or if I should save myself both the embarrassment and potential need to dodge a peeved partner. It's late and thinking in ethics is a lot of work.

[Fyraltari]

IT had much better writing back in the day when they could have four episodes or more for a story. Genesis of the Daleks is still my favourite DW serial, and far beyond any of the revival series stories.

*Coughs* Midnight *Coughs*

In totally unrelated news, I think my villain's magical ritual in the final part is going to be to attempt to throw themselves back in time and try to undo something that happens maybe a third of the way into the book.

So no villain until a third of the way through?