Domino Quartz's Delightfully Quaint Random Banter Thread #248

[Bartmanhomer]

One thing you should know about me is that I'm an extrovert.

[Rater202]

I barely actually pay attention to this kinda stuff since a lot of what I eat is based on vibes.

The only thing I can really add to this conversation is: eating "unhealthy" foods is not bad. That's not how health problems happen. You don't actually get diabetes based on what you're eating, despite everything ****ty doctors do tell you.

Eh.. Kinda. Excessive consumption of unhealthy food, especially at the expense of more nutrient-dense options, will cause you to gain weight or develop deficiencies and while diabetes is genetic, type II diabetes is much more likely to occur in people who consume excessive sugar or who are significantly overweight—there are in fact documented cases of Type II going into remission because the patient lost a significant amount of weight.

Moderation in all things is important.

Also, I got more fan art

Again, this probably makes no sense to anyone here and I think the artist is under the impression that a certain pair of cameo characters are going to play a bigger role than they are but I can't say I don't appreciate it.

[Bartmanhomer]

Eh.. Kinda. Excessive consumption of unhealthy food, especially at the expense of more nutrient-dense options, will cause you to gain weight or develop deficiencies and while diabetes is genetic, type II diabetes is much more likely to occur in people who consume excessive sugar or who are significantly overweight—there are in fact documented cases of Type II going into remission because the patient lost a significant amount of weight.

Moderation in all things is important.

I agree with you on moderation.

[Peelee]

I barely actually pay attention to this kinda stuff since a lot of what I eat is based on vibes.

The only thing I can really add to this conversation is: eating "unhealthy" foods is not bad. That's not how health problems happen. You don't actually get diabetes based on what you're eating, despite everything ****ty doctors do tell you.

****ty doctors, maybe. But good doctors and medical studies? Those I'll listen to. And they say the opposite.

Sure, you can eat "unhealthy" foods without issue if you moderate. But everything is moderation.

[Rater202]

****ty doctors, maybe. But good doctors and medical studies? Those I'll listen to. And they say the opposite.

Sure, you can eat "unhealthy" foods without issue if you moderate. But everything is moderation.

You know that Super Size Me Documentary where the guy tries to make a point about fast food by doing an experiment where he ate nothing but McDonalds for a month but he also changed a few extra variables, his results couldn't be replicated, he did that thing where fat people are presented as ignorant and stupid, and he eventually came out and admitted that he was off the wagon when he made it and apologized for his dishonesty(apparently the sequel about lies in the chicken industry is better.)

There's another Documentary called Fat Heads that was made by someone else in direct response to Super Size Me that, in addition to talking about proper nutrition instead of just saying "fast food bad" and also explaining how nutritional guidelines are changing all the time due to both the science getting better but also certain food industries putting their thumb on the scale in places..

But the main thrust of the documentary was an experiment: For thirty days the man making the documentary ate nothing but fast food and lost weight.

Now, he's quick to point out that this is not, by any means, a "healthy" diet and he's noticeably malnourished by the end of it, but I feel the point stands. Especially since part of the problem was that his all fast food deit ironcially enough didn't have enough fat in it.

[LaZodiac]

Okay yes, yes, I forgot to specify the fact that moderation is what matters, not necessarily what you eat, because eating too much salad is just as bad as not eating anything because you don't want to "eat unhealthily". I should have included more nuance. That's my bad.

Also cool fanart Rater. God the Super Size Me "doc" sucks. Was a miserable time to be alive in, when that was considered gospel.

[Rater202]

Okay yes, yes, I forgot to specify the fact that moderation is what matters, not necessarily what you eat, because eating too much salad is just as bad as not eating anything because you don't want to "eat unhealthily". I should have included more nuance. That's my bad.

Also cool fanart Rater. God the Super Size Me "doc" sucks. Was a miserable time to be alive in, when that was considered gospel.

The first time I watched it in high school, something I had to do several times since I failed Health the first time on a technicality and it came up in a couple of other biology adjacent courses, I immediately pointed out that the experiment was inherently compromised when he admitted that he was also cutting down on his number of steps per day since most people who eat McDonald's regularly dont walk everywhere the way he does.

Like, he changed two variables but he was only testing for one. The experiment is already trash.

And then he's not exactly making an honest attempt at fairly evaluating the "McDonald's Diet" when he forces himself to eat when he's full and goes back to eating after throwing up and I always thought it was weird that he was eating two sandwiches for every meal.

and what they don't say is that h was on a mostly vegan/organic diet before that and as anyone who understands the science of nutrition will tell you, sudden extreme changes in diet can have all sorts of negative effects on your body and it doesn't really get more extreme than that.

The fact that he was off the wagon when he made it explains a lot. You don't make good choices when you're either drunk or in withdrawal which explains the lack of scientific integrity and also the bit where he pulls out his camera and starts filming when he thinks he's having a heart attack, and uh... Either he was binge drinking off-screen and adding a whole ****load of calories that weren't accounted for in the experiment which would account for his disproportionate weight gain, the delivery damage(that the doctor explcitly compared to a hard drinker) and, depending on what he was drinking, possible also the erectile dysfunction that his girlfriend felt the need to bring up for some reason.

On the other hand, if he wasn't drinking that would explain some of the other negative symptoms because alcohol withdrawal is a hell of a thing to go through.

(And that's assuming that he didn't alternate between binging and going cold turkey throughout the month)

Apparently the sequel's better and he gets points for eventually coming clean but still.

[Peelee]

You know that Super Size Me Documentary where the guy tries to make a point about fast food by doing an experiment where he ate nothing but McDonalds for a month but he also changed a few extra variables, his results couldn't be replicated, he did that thing where fat people are presented as ignorant and stupid, and he eventually came out and admitted that he was off the wagon when he made it and apologized for his dishonesty(apparently the sequel about lies in the chicken industry is better.)

There's another Documentary called Fat Heads that was made by someone else in direct response to Super Size Me that, in addition to talking about proper nutrition instead of just saying "fast food bad" and also explaining how nutritional guidelines are changing all the time due to both the science getting better but also certain food industries putting their thumb on the scale in places..

But the main thrust of the documentary was an experiment: For thirty days the man making the documentary ate nothing but fast food and lost weight.

Now, he's quick to point out that this is not, by any means, a "healthy" diet and he's noticeably malnourished by the end of it, but I feel the point stands. Especially since part of the problem was that his all fast food deit ironcially enough didn't have enough fat in it.

I agree, the point of "30 day diets performed by single-case-study comedians with zero focus on long-term effects are inherently unscientific" does indeed stand. I am all for not blindly following whatever the newest documentary that can cherry-pick whatever evidence supports the agenda the filmmaker wishes to espouse claims. Me, I prefer scientists doing science.

Convincing evidence showed that higher consumption of UPF [ultra-processed foods] was associated with around a 50% increased risk of cardiovascular disease-related death, a 48% to 53% higher risk of anxiety and common mental health disorders, and a 12% higher risk of type 2 diabetes. Highly suggestive evidence indicated that higher UPF intake was associated with a 21% greater risk of death from any cause, a 40% to 66% increased risk of heart disease-related death, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and poor sleep, and a 22% increased risk of depression.

ETA: Not that I'm saying you or anyone else here blindly accepts what these documentaries put out. I'm just exhausted at this point of people i deal with IRL trying to refute scientific studies with anecdotal stories and my frustration with that may be leaking out here. Sorry if i ruffled any feathers.

[LaZodiac]

The first time I watched it in high school, something I had to do several times since I failed Health the first time on a technicality and it came up in a couple of other biology adjacent courses, I immediately pointed out that the experiment was inherently compromised when he admitted that he was also cutting down on his number of steps per day since most people who eat McDonald's regularly dont walk everywhere the way he does.

Like, he changed two variables but he was only testing for one. The experiment is already trash.

And then he's not exactly making an honest attempt at fairly evaluating the "McDonald's Diet" when he forces himself to eat when he's full and goes back to eating after throwing up and I always thought it was weird that he was eating two sandwiches for every meal.

and what they don't say is that h was on a mostly vegan/organic diet before that and as anyone who understands the science of nutrition will tell you, sudden extreme changes in diet can have all sorts of negative effects on your body and it doesn't really get more extreme than that.

The fact that he was off the wagon when he made it explains a lot. You don't make good choices when you're either drunk or in withdrawal which explains the lack of scientific integrity and also the bit where he pulls out his camera and starts filming when he thinks he's having a heart attack, and uh... Either he was binge drinking off-screen and adding a whole ****load of calories that weren't accounted for in the experiment which would account for his disproportionate weight gain, the delivery damage(that the doctor explcitly compared to a hard drinker) and, depending on what he was drinking, possible also the erectile dysfunction that his girlfriend felt the need to bring up for some reason.

On the other hand, if he wasn't drinking that would explain some of the other negative symptoms because alcohol withdrawal is a hell of a thing to go through.

(And that's assuming that he didn't alternate between binging and going cold turkey throughout the month)

Apparently the sequel's better and he gets points for eventually coming clean but still.

Yeah no he was drinking constantly, overeating severely, and doing some heavy drug use during that time. The results of that "doc" of his are so skewed that I genuinely don't think we can even safely say the chicken one is better- though I've heard nothing for or against it, or even what it's about beyond chicken.

I agree, the point of "30 day diets performed by single-case-study comedians with zero focus on long-term effects are inherently unscientific" does indeed stand. I am all for not blindly following whatever the newest documentary that can cherry-pick whatever evidence supports the agenda the filmmaker wishes to espouse claims. Me, I prefer scientists doing science.


ETA: Not that I'm saying you or anyone else here blindly accepts what these documentaries put out. I'm just exhausted at this point of people i deal with IRL trying to refute scientific studies with anecdotal stories and my frustration with that may be leaking out here. Sorry if i ruffled any feathers.

To be clear, my main issue with this is that a lot of people take these studies as gospel, and reason to abuse others for what they eat. The issue is the situations folk are in that force them to have to eat this food is what is ultimately at fault, not the occasional fast food burger. The article you linked even goes into that a bit; the fact that people cannot eat healthier due to the life circumstances is what makes food that isn't perfect for as negative as it is. Causation is not fully confirmed in these studies, and I think it is abundantly clear that it's not solely the fault of people "choosing to eat bad" that these problems happen.

That was all I was getting at, is all.

[halfeye]

My experience has been that diet is wierd. You eat a lot and very little happens if it's just one day, but eat a little over the margin for a week and a lot of weitht goes on, and eating less kicks in the <I'm starving> syndrome and weight goes on again.

Getting it rigbt is difficult and painful.

[DataNinja]

Sure, you can eat "unhealthy" foods without issue if you moderate. But everything is moderation.

Ah, I see, those are the mod superpowers I've heard so much about. But what about for the rest of us peons?

[LaZodiac]

My experience has been that diet is wierd. You eat a lot and very little happens if it's just one day, but eat a little over the margin for a week and a lot of weitht goes on, and eating less kicks in the <I'm starving> syndrome and weight goes on again.

Getting it rigbt is difficult and painful.

Diets are pretty much bull****, especially fad diets. Adjusting what you eat isn't the sole factor of stuff like this, it's your behavior and your environment as well- and if you have an active life style there isn't anything wrong with eating "bad".

Starving yourself is also the best way to gain weight- your body will go into conservation mode, trying to hold onto everything it can get, and eventually you'll break and start eating too much. This is what diets almost always have a slingshot effect of losing a lot of weight and then regaining it just as quickly.

[Rater202]

I agree, the point of "30 day diets performed by single-case-study comedians with zero focus on long-term effects are inherently unscientific" does indeed stand. I am all for not blindly following whatever the newest documentary that can cherry-pick whatever evidence supports the agenda the filmmaker wishes to espouse claims. Me, I prefer scientists doing science.


ETA: Not that I'm saying you or anyone else here blindly accepts what these documentaries put out. I'm just exhausted at this point of people i deal with IRL trying to refute scientific studies with anecdotal stories and my frustration with that may be leaking out here. Sorry if i ruffled any feathers.

I think my reason for citing the follow-up documentary didn't come across particularly well.

Super Size Me makes the claim that. Essentially, fast food in and of itself is what makes people fat.

Fat Heads refutes this claim by showing a man getting less fat on an all-fast food diet, and asserts that it's more an issue of environmental factors, lifestyle, and nutrition.

Obviously, one documentary is only a single data point, but the thing is that Super Size Me was making an absolutist statement and the thing about absolute statements is that one data point to the contrary is all it takes to debunk it: If it is possible to lose weight on only fast food, then fast food in and of itself is not the sole factor as to what makes someone fat.

[Peelee]

Yeah no he was drinking constantly, overeating severely, and doing some heavy drug use during that time. The results of that "doc" of his are so skewed that I genuinely don't think we can even safely say the chicken one is better- though I've heard nothing for or against it, or even what it's about beyond chicken.



To be clear, my main issue with this is that a lot of people take these studies as gospel, and reason to abuse others for what they eat. The issue is the situations folk are in that force them to have to eat this food is what is ultimately at fault, not the occasional fast food burger. The article you linked even goes into that a bit; the fact that people cannot eat healthier due to the life circumstances is what makes food that isn't perfect for as negative as it is. Causation is not fully confirmed in these studies, and I think it is abundantly clear that it's not solely the fault of people "choosing to eat bad" that these problems happen.

That was all I was getting at, is all.

Ah, i getcha. And i agree completely. Hell, I originally had the parts about why many people are trapped into eating almost exclusively stuff like that (i think it comes right after where i cut off the blurb), and only cut it out because it made the quote block/overall post too long for my tastes.

Ah, I see, those are the mod superpowers I've heard so much about. But what about for the rest of us peons?

Everything is moderation. Even you good people who make my job possible (mostly by letting me be lazy by rarely breaking any rules so i just focus on spam). There are no peons.

[Bohandas]

I wish low calorie foods were easier to eat. I think that's what it comes down to. A bag of potato chips is so convenient to snack on and lettuce isn't, because it's wet and floppy and has to be stored in the refridgerator. I wonder if dehydrating it would help. (I know switching to something like carrot sticks would help but I'm thinking about plain lettuce because I've got it and another salad is going to be too much salad dressing for the day)

[Anonymouswizard]

Been replaying Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney because I realised they were on Steam and I've never actually played the other games.

Which is how I notice that the villain for Case 2 has the exact same strategy as the villain for Case 4, just with a lot less preparation put in. Then I get penalised twice for presenting the correct piece of evidence before the game lets me.

...also at what point are Phoenix and Miles confirmed to be in a romantic relationship? There is no way this isn't canon, especially as Phoenix is basically canonically bi anyway.

[Rater202]

Which is how I notice that the villain for Case 2 has the exact same strategy as the villain for Case 4, just with a lot less preparation put in. Then I get penalised twice for presenting the correct piece of evidence before the game lets me.

Yeah, that's... Yeah.

Also, the hoops you need to jump through to get a Not Guilty verdict.

I watched Quinn/Introspective Spy, TeamFourStar's in house lawyer, do the tutorial mission of Great Ace Attorney Chronicles, the prequel where you're Pheonix's ancestor. The Tutorial Mision is you defending yourself of a murder accusation after the murder of a visitor from England almost sparked a diplomatic incident and you happened to be there at the wrong place at the wrong time.

In the "correct" path you end up proving that you physically could not have committed the murder several times over and poke holes in the official story several times over before finally finding the real culprit(who blatantly destroys the evidence that would proof it right there in court which I think counts as a confession?)

Quinn, who is an actual Lawyer, on receiving the Not Guilty: "I was not guilty two hours ago! The rest of that was making your job easier."

[Anonymouswizard]

Yeah, that's... Yeah.

Also, the hoops you need to jump through to get a Not Guilty verdict.

I believe part of that is culture clash, with Japan having at least an unofficial policy of presumed guilty. Although yes it does get ridiculous.

The other part is fairly simple, it's not an attorney game. Yes, it's an attorney story, but the gameplay is that if a detective game and the story bends around that. It's why an Edgeworth spinoff was obviously going to happen. It plays fast and loose with the actual purpose of trials to facilitate the gameplay.

Although it can be surprisingly realistic at times, literally the only time anybody represents themselves they're stuck between that or getting the most incompetent representative the culprit can dump on them.

Also Maya, it's fine to get possessed by your older sister, but can you please make it look like your robe's not about to just pop off?

[Lord Raziere]

the only regret about Ace Attorney I have is viewing them all through playthroughs, and thus giving me a liking for solving mysteries, but now I can't go through them to solve their mysteries since I know them all, and I have no idea where to find mystery games to play.

[LaZodiac]

Been replaying Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney because I realised they were on Steam and I've never actually played the other games.

Which is how I notice that the villain for Case 2 has the exact same strategy as the villain for Case 4, just with a lot less preparation put in. Then I get penalised twice for presenting the correct piece of evidence before the game lets me.

...also at what point are Phoenix and Miles confirmed to be in a romantic relationship? There is no way this isn't canon, especially as Phoenix is basically canonically bi anyway.

Sadly never, at least officially, but there's some really good lines about it.

I believe part of that is culture clash, with Japan having at least an unofficial policy of presumed guilty. Although yes it does get ridiculous.

The other part is fairly simple, it's not an attorney game. Yes, it's an attorney story, but the gameplay is that if a detective game and the story bends around that. It's why an Edgeworth spinoff was obviously going to happen. It plays fast and loose with the actual purpose of trials to facilitate the gameplay.

Although it can be surprisingly realistic at times, literally the only time anybody represents themselves they're stuck between that or getting the most incompetent representative the culprit can dump on them.

Also Maya, it's fine to get possessed by your older sister, but can you please make it look like your robe's not about to just pop off?

It helps to also consider that Phoenix Wright as a game series is also very informed by the age it was made. A lot of the odds being stacked against you are because at the time, that really was how it was. Can't say that too loudly though.

Look it isn't Mia's fault she's gigantic. There's a reason these robes are spacious.

[Anonymouswizard]

Sadly never, at least officially, but there's some really good lines about it.,

Those darn games always ruining my fun with 'not technically canon'.

It helps to also consider that Phoenix Wright as a game series is also very informed by the age it was made. A lot of the odds being stacked against you are because at the time, that really was how it was. Can't say that too loudly though.

Yeah, as I said, cultural stuff.

Look it isn't Mia's fault she's gigantic. There's a reason these robes are spacious.

She's free to be as big as she wants, but I'm certain the only reason we see nothing is the static sprites. A camisole under the robes would stop a LOT of potential embarrassment.

[LaZodiac]

Those darn games always ruining my fun with 'not technically canon'.

She's free to be as big as she wants, but I'm certain the only reason we see nothing is the static sprites. A camisole under the robes would stop a LOT of potential embarrassment.

To be clear, the only reason I don't consider it like, Actual Canon is because Phoenix and Maya is a cute enough ship that I genuinely do like it. But like... textually, it's unambigious that Something is going on between these two boys. "You've saddled me with unnecessary... feelings" is just straight up a line that is said for real by Miles.

The robes have to be loose to accommodate all body types, and a camisole would end up ripping. It's fine... and also we see something far far worse later.

[Anonymouswizard]

To be clear, the only reason I don't consider it like, Actual Canon is because Phoenix and Maya is a cute enough ship that I genuinely do like it. But like... textually, it's unambigious that Something is going on between these two boys. "You've saddled me with unnecessary... feelings" is just straight up a line that is said for real by Miles.

Maybe I need to get to the later games, but I very much read that as a 'like brother and sister's situation.

Plus in the first game they're at just the right ages (17 and 24) to make Maya/Phoenix creepy. Maybe I'll see it in the post-time skip games.

The robes have to be loose to accommodate all body types, and a camisole would end up ripping. It's fine... and also we see something far far worse later.

I might just be overthinking it, but I'd definitely be more comfortable if the robe looked better secured.

Mia can bare her breasts if she likes, however she doesn't have the right to do the same to Maya's. Plus I am very definitely overthinking this.

[Rynjin]

To be clear, the only reason I don't consider it like, Actual Canon is because Phoenix and Maya is a cute enough ship that I genuinely do like it. But like... textually, it's unambigious that Something is going on between these two boys. "You've saddled me with unnecessary... feelings" is just straight up a line that is said for real by Miles.

The robes have to be loose to accommodate all body types, and a camisole would end up ripping. It's fine... and also we see something far far worse later.

Phoenix and Edgeworth are canon in the same way Ippo and Miyata are canon. Will never be acknowledged by the creator but the "subtext" is really more like text.

Like out of context no sane person would assume this is a boxing manga and not a BL series.

[Lord Raziere]

Maybe I need to get to the later games, but I very much read that as a 'like brother and sister's situation.

Plus in the first game they're at just the right ages (17 and 24) to make Maya/Phoenix creepy. Maybe I'll see it in the post-time skip games.

I've seen all the games Anonymous, and thats my read of their relationship to. there is nothing that supports Phoenix and Maya being romantic. like, Bridge to the Turnabout was probably the most Phoenix's love life was touched upon, and Maya wasn't even a factor when it came to it, Edgeworth had a jealous reaction to Iris if I recall, and Maya just....wasn't even considered in that same space. no to mention that Maya's role as an assistant is far from irreplaceable? Pearl and Franzy both fulfill her role as odd little sister sidekicks when the need arises and their interactions with Wright are similar to Maya's. the only person I'd say who has any romantic shot with Phoenix outside of Edgeworth is Iris.

[LaZodiac]

Maybe I need to get to the later games, but I very much read that as a 'like brother and sister's situation.

Plus in the first game they're at just the right ages (17 and 24) to make Maya/Phoenix creepy. Maybe I'll see it in the post-time skip games.

I might just be overthinking it, but I'd definitely be more comfortable if the robe looked better secured.

Mia can bare her breasts if she likes, however she doesn't have the right to do the same to Maya's. Plus I am very definitely overthinking this.

Okay I did kind of completely forget that age gap nevermind oooops. I spent my entire life thinking they were much closer in age than that and just never checked OOPS.

Well I mean, they're not her breasts is the thing. Spirit channeling has the ghost fully possess your body and overshadow it with their own. There are cases in this game where this will become abundantly clear. That's why the robes are as loose fitting as they are- to allow for a various wide range of body types.

Phoenix and Edgeworth are canon in the same way Ippo and Miyata are canon. Will never be acknowledged by the creator but the "subtext" is really more like text.

Like out of context no sane person would assume this is a boxing manga and not a BL series.

This is very true!

[enderlord99]

the only regret about Ace Attorney I have is viewing them all through playthroughs, and thus giving me a liking for solving mysteries, but now I can't go through them to solve their mysteries since I know them all, and I have no idea where to find mystery games to play.

Have you played Return of the Obra Dinn? That's my suggestion. Do it 100% blind.

[Anonymouswizard]

Okay I did kind of completely forget that age gap nevermind oooops. I spent my entire life thinking they were much closer in age than that and just never checked OOPS.

Honestly I'd assumed Maya was younger, but I double checked in-game. Fine by the Apollo Justice games though, where everybody is a decade older.

I could potentially see Mia/Phoenix, but Mia is a bit too professional to actually pursue it.

Well I mean, they're not her breasts is the thing. Spirit channeling has the ghost fully possess your body and overshadow it with their own. There are cases in this game where this will become abundantly clear. That's why the robes are as loose fitting as they are- to allow for a various wide range of body types.

Maybe I'm just getting annoyed at the obvious fanservice. But honestly nobody would have called them on Maya's clothes growing with her body.

[Keltest]

Honestly I'd assumed Maya was younger, but I double checked in-game. Fine by the Apollo Justice games though, where everybody is a decade older.

I could potentially see Mia/Phoenix, but Mia is a bit too professional to actually pursue it.



Maybe I'm just getting annoyed at the obvious fanservice. But honestly nobody would have called them on Maya's clothes growing with her body.

Pearl's clothes grow with her body. Its just Mia I think, Maya doesn't really get a say.

[Ionathus]

That's my suggestion. Do it 100% blind.

Honestly, I would recommend this as a blanket watching/reading/playing strategy.

Sometime around 10 years ago, I got tired of inevitably comparing the cool moments from the trailer with the actual movie. It never held up to expectations. I know, intellectually, that the point of trailers is to use all the highlights to "sell" you on the movie of course, but it's hard to ignore that when you're actually watching. So now unless someone really wants to tell me about something, I'll politely let them know that I intend to watch/read/play whatever they're recommending, and that I don't want any more details until I've experienced it.

It's improved the experience in nearly every instance. The less I know about the property, the more opportunity there is for surprise and delight. And the less likely I am to have "built it up" in my head or be comparing it to my expectations.

Of course, you need to really trust the person's recommendations to make this work. And it's impossible to be 100% blind in most cases. But I'm not sure I could name a property that truly needs much of an introduction before diving in.