New Star Wars Movie

[pendell]

Just a quick point: But we do see at least once instance of technological progress between the prequels and the original trilogy. Obi-Wan's starfighter in Ep.ii needs to be docked with an external hyperdrive ring in order to execute FTL operations. Only a very few ships that size, such as Grievous' personal ship, have hyperdrives built in. Yet by the time of the OT we have the X-wing and Y-wing with that capability.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[Grim Portent]

Just a quick point: But we do see at least once instance of technological progress between the prequels and the original trilogy. Obi-Wan's starfighter in Ep.ii needs to be docked with an external hyperdrive ring in order to execute FTL operations. Only a very few ships that size, such as Grievous' personal ship, have hyperdrives built in. Yet by the time of the OT we have the X-wing and Y-wing with that capability.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

That's more to do with ship models than technological limitations, the Arc-170 starfighters the clones use have built in hyperdrives. Light fighters, interceptors and the like don't have integrated hyperdrives because they're meant to protect ships, starbases and planets, heavier fighters and bombers do so they can go on raids into other systems. The Jedi just happen to prefer light fighters and interceptors for whatever reason, I guess their reflexes make the heavier armour and armaments less important than mobility.

I don't recall if Arc-170s were shown to have hyperdrives in the movies or not, I don't think they were because I don't think they were in any establishing shots of things coming into or out of hyperspace, but it was part of their extended universe details as far back as the settings guides released around the movies IIRC. Of course they're just X-wings but for the prequels in concept.

[Errorname]

Neither of these establish any sort of EVA capabilities. And the fact that something doesn't exist yet does not mean the information we have is insufficient.

New Hope does not give enough information to assess the potential for the Falcon's crew in general to perform an EVA was my point. The concept never really comes up.

[LibraryOgre]

Actually, for checking, I figured it would be checking for signals, not looking for a device. A homing beacon would need to transmit it's coordinates. There's a few ways you could set it up to be more or less invisible in flight (i.e. "Will transmit once the ship has landed"), but if it's a more active beacon, checking your outgoing signals would be an easy one to do from the cockpit.

[Mordar]

New Hope does not give enough information to assess the potential for the Falcon's crew in general to perform an EVA was my point. The concept never really comes up.

So what you're saying is that Holdo could have jettisoned the warp core and reversed the polarity of the tractor beam to repulse it into the first order fleet and had it detonate without sacrificing the ship and just didn't do it because she was a glory hound?

Much more seriously, that is a fair point (no one would object to an EVA repair scene in the movie had it needed one, because it is accepted that astronauts can wear suits and go outside). However, staying within the OT we also see R2 unable to maintain "footing" and sliding across the Falcon deck and into a maintenance bay...so I'm still going with "He forgot he had magnetic shoes and rocket jets between Eps I-III and IV-VI".

- M

[pendell]

Actually, for checking, I figured it would be checking for signals, not looking for a device. A homing beacon would need to transmit it's coordinates. There's a few ways you could set it up to be more or less invisible in flight (i.e. "Will transmit once the ship has landed"), but if it's a more active beacon, checking your outgoing signals would be an easy one to do from the cockpit.

I'm no EW expert, but how about a microburst timed to match some other signal being sent by the Falcon? If you use frequency hopping technology, the Falcon will have a hard time landing on the exact right frequency and time to detect something odd happening.

If it were me, the "homing beacon" would not be hardware at all; it would be a subroutine in the Falcon's own computer which would send out the signal at irregular intervals using hopping frequencies, with the Imps having the schedule so they need to listen in on. That way you don't have to stick a bulky hyperwave transmitter in the ship -- you can use the ship's own communications array to do the job, then erase the record of the signal after it is sent. Then erase itself either on a schedule or on command.

I'd want to send the signal at regular intervals just in case the rebels found the subroutine and deleted it. In which case, we'd at least have datum points to follow even if we didn't get all the way to the base. Every additional datum point is one narrower search path, so that we can scout and find it even if the rebels won't let us trace it directly to the base.

I know that in-story the beacon traveled all the way to the base, but the Imperials wouldn't assume the Rebels were stupid; they'd need to take precautions in the event of the beacon being discovered.


Respectfully,

Brian P.

[sktarq]

New Hope does not give enough information to assess the potential for the Falcon's crew in general to perform an EVA was my point. The concept never really comes up.

The concept never comes up well.
ESB totally messes up EVA's for the whole sires IMO.
It implies that there is enough atmospheric pressure in an asteroid cave to walk around only with a breather mask and that somehow that atmosphere doesn't just escape out the worms mouth somehow (as we never see a sphincter or similar to hold it in). And it isn't a vacuum as there has to be atmosphere to hold the mist we see and for the mynok wings to push against. Eye protection?
As silly as anyone may consider the Ewoks I don't think they will ever hold a candle to the damn worm
If they had EVA capabilities that would be a good time to use them. Now EVA suits make for boring (or at least difficult) visuals and movies are a highly visual medium...which is the probably the bigger reason why we don't see much of them in the GFFA.

That the scene also has full gravity (shown in how they are walking and the falling mynok) also annoys me.

[Errorname]

If they had EVA capabilities that would be a good time to use them. Now EVA suits make for boring (or at least difficult) visuals and movies are a highly visual medium...which is the probably the bigger reason why we don't see much of them in the GFFA.

Eh, I think Star Wars is a franchise where you could get away with not going with super realistic spacesuits, and the visuals of zero G are cool enough that it makes up for any difficulty with the suits.

The problem of course, is that zero G is a pain in the ass to shoot in live action. Not for nothing that the first actual spacewalks in Star Wars happened with completely animated characters.

[pendell]

The concept never comes up well.
ESB totally messes up EVA's for the whole sires IMO.
It implies that there is enough atmospheric pressure in an asteroid cave to walk around only with a breather mask and that somehow that atmosphere doesn't just escape out the worms mouth somehow (as we never see a sphincter or similar to hold it in). And it isn't a vacuum as there has to be atmosphere to hold the mist we see and for the mynok wings to push against. Eye protection?
As silly as anyone may consider the Ewoks I don't think they will ever hold a candle to the damn worm
If they had EVA capabilities that would be a good time to use them. Now EVA suits make for boring (or at least difficult) visuals and movies are a highly visual medium...which is the probably the bigger reason why we don't see much of them in the GFFA.

That the scene also has full gravity (shown in how they are walking and the falling mynok) also annoys me.

How about a personal forcefield ? We already know there are deflectors which can stop blasters, and in KOTOR and Republic Commando personal energy shields are a thing. Why not make one that can maintain a stable bubble of livable pressure and atmosphere? It'd be easy to show on screen; just show a 1 second color change when the characters turn them on, then film them as normal. Wire work for the weightless scenes.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[sktarq]

How about a personal forcefield ? We already know there are deflectors which can stop blasters, and in KOTOR and Republic Commando personal energy shields are a thing. Why not make one that can maintain a stable bubble of livable pressure and atmosphere? It'd be easy to show on screen; just show a 1 second color change when the characters turn them on, then film them as normal. Wire work for the weightless scenes.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Could it be done? Yes.
Was it done? Nope.

The whole force fields that allow access to space but keep the atmosphere in is already set up in hanger bays etc. even going back to the OT and doing something similar would be possible but would need the effort. And I'm not sure how well that would have worked in the 70's filming tech TBH.
But my main point is that it was kinda done in a way that undermined future appearances and raised more issues all on its own. Fixable issues perhaps but still issues.

EDIT: And thinking on it I am not sure how well it would have worked as visual language...it terms of making space, well space and dangerous etc. Plus I'm not sure giving the horseback ride up a star destroyer some magic force fields to go up somewhat in elevation (I mean seriously people have a range of comfortable breathing that would mean a person at each of the ship would be messed up if the ship was vertical) would make it work better.

[Saintheart]

How about a personal forcefield ? We already know there are deflectors which can stop blasters, and in KOTOR and Republic Commando personal energy shields are a thing. Why not make one that can maintain a stable bubble of livable pressure and atmosphere? It'd be easy to show on screen; just show a 1 second color change when the characters turn them on, then film them as normal. Wire work for the weightless scenes.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Can't use them on Tatooine because they draw sandworms from miles around, and lasgun interaction with them causes, well, spectacular results ... :D

[Lurkmoar]

Can't use them on Tatooine because they draw sandworms from miles around, and lasgun interaction with them causes, well, spectacular results ... :D

The force must flow...

[Mordar]

The force must flow...

Close. "Flow, the Force must."

[Whoracle]

You've still missed, Mordar.

"Flow, the Force must."

[Peelee]

Man, don't even get me started on how often Yoda spoke without anastrophe.

[Mordar]

Man, don't even get me started on how often Yoda spoke without anastrophe.

Twice. It was twice.

- M

[Trafalgar]

Twice. It was twice.

- M

No. Twice it was.

[MarkVIIIMarc]

Early Mandalorian was fine. S3 was kind of a mess, and most of their shows of late have also been bad.

Coming from the director of Ms. Marvel is...deeply uninspiring. Documentary work also doesn't exactly tell me much about her ability to portray the Star Wars universe. Ideally, you'd have a history of success at something sort of similar, and neither of those examples qualify.

Story wise, they're apparently tied to all the baggage of the last three movies, which saw a pretty big fall off in interest movie to movie, and which remain controversial. That seems like quite a lot to overcome.

This really seems like they tried to take the worst possible choices and mash them together into an utterly doomed combination. If we are fortunate, it might fall into the territory of films so terrible they become amusing again. If not, it'll be merely more forgettable drek. At this point, I am largely only interested from the standpoint of someone sort of amused at Disney's missteps. I don't really care enough to watch the film, hatewatch or not...and I even watched Solo, a remarkably forgettable bit that almost nobody else watched.

And that's if the film even comes out. The last how many Star Wars films have been canceled?

I LIKED the first maybe 3/4 of the first Captain Marvel film and the first maybe 1/2 of the last one. And the Ms Marvel tv show was ok for me and pretty decent in my 12 year old's opinion.