5th level spell for 9th level Pyro Sorcerer

[CTurbo]

My Pyromancy Sorc just hit 9th level and I have decision paralysis about which 5th level spell to take. I figure surely somebody would point out something I haven't considered.

Dex 16, Con 18, Cha 20

Fey Touched*
Metamagic Adept

Subtle, Quicken, Twinned, and Extended

Green Flame Blade
Prestidigitation
Gust
Firebolt
Mind Sliver

Mage Armor
Burning Hands
Silvery Barbs*

Scorching Ray
Mirror Image
Misty Step*

Fireball
Haste
Counterspell

Wall of Fire
Greater Invisibility

?


Dominate Person, Hold Monster, Far Step, and Synaptic Static all have my attention so far. Dominate Person and Hold Monster are extra intriguing since they can be quickened after Mind Sliver and they're also eligible to be twinned as well. Concentration is a drawback though. I like Far Step, and think I would make use of it, but also concentration. I've never seen Synaptic Static in play before, but it sounds pretty decent especially targeting Int.

Other spells I've considered are
Bigby's Hand. Sounds neat, but uses concentration.
Cone of Cold. I could switch Extended Spell for Transmute Spell and use this for some fun effect. Deal fire damage while freezing them?
Telekinesis. This can be pretty strong in the right hands. Too bad it can't be combined with Wall of Fire. Again, I'm trying not to get too overloaded with concentrations spells.

Playstyle is typically hiding in back blasting while twin hasting the Fighter and Barb. As with most Sorcerers, I don't have a whole lot to offer outside of combat. I used to have Disguise Self, but traded it out a level or 2 ago. As much as I'd like a little more utility, I'm not sure I want to spend a 5th level slot on it. Having said that, Creation, Seeming, or Teleportation Circle could be useful.

[Chaos Jackal]

So, sticking to what you've said so far about how you play, synaptic static should be your go to. It compresses blasting, debuffing and no concentration in a single spell and sorcerers are really keen on compressing niches with their limited spells. It also happens to be good, so there's that.

Far step is a no, way too situational for something that takes your concentration. Better drop two casts on misty step. And if you're out of combat, might as well climb or fly.

Hold monster's repeat saves kill it for me. I don't want my 5ths to have so many chances to fizzle while spending my concentration on top of it.

Dominate person is the only other option from those you've presented that I'd consider, though primarily for outside combat, as it's also extremely unreliable in a fight. If anything, it's in the same category as creation, telekinesis or seeming and of these, I'd personally go with telekinesis unless you want to pull off shenanigans with creation.

For some additional options, I have animate objects, summon draconic spirit and wall of stone. A summoning option is always good to have and the objects are very damaging, blowing most blasts out of the water, while the spirit is less so, but is also less fiddly to operate and roll for, is decently tanky, offers good damage still and a number of utility effects, namely flight (and it's large, so you or someone else can ride it), swimming, blindsight and a damage resistance for you. Plus, flavor, unless you can't think of ways to tie in a dragon spirit with pyromancy.

As for wall of stone, it's no wall of force, but it's still a solid wall, it's not exactly easy to break either (180hp on a standard configuration takes a while to chip through) and outside of its many and useful combat applications (solid wall spells are just good), it also packs great out of combat utility due to its shaping flexibility and ability to become permanent. Create bridges, divert or dam rivers, build fortifications... the possibilities aren't endless, but they are certainly more than a few. As long as there's stone around, which isn't unlikely.

Oh, and flavor-wise... there's immolation. But it's decidedly not a good spell, so only take that if you wanna lean fully into being Chandra.

Side note, nice spell selection. I would suggest shield over mirror image though.

[P. G. Macer]

I recommend seeming from the last sentence of your post. One of its potential uses is a mass version of disguise self, and it doesn’t require concentration. Barring that, I think swapping in Transmuted Spell and picking up cone of cold is also a very fun option.

[Arkhios]

Immolation from XGE seems fitting for Pyromancer.

[Mastikator]

Summon Draconic Spirit, always use the fire options. Since it's a large flying creature you should be able to use it as a mount. You can decide how it looks, you could make it look like a phoenix or burning red dragon.

[KorvinStarmast]

Summon Draconic Spirit, always use the fire options. Since it's a large flying creature you should be able to use it as a mount.

^^^^This
or animate objects. Yes, synaptic static is good, but the summons improves the action economy, as do the animatee objects.
Unless you are tired of concentration spells, in which case ...synaptic static hard to beat.

[CTurbo]

Ok I kinda almost feel obligated to take Immolation as a Pyro sorcerer. I was not familiar with that spell, and have never seen it in play before. It should be eligible for Twinning too which makes it even better. I can spam Mind Sliver to help the target fail the saves. I'll definitely have to take this at some point whether it be now, or next level. May even have to trade out a lower level spell for it.

Summon Draconic Spirit seems pretty good too. I'll probably have to take that at some point.

I have Wall of Fire of course so I don't want another 'Wall of' spell even though admittedly Wall of Stone does have some utility to it.

The Bard has Animate Objects so I've ruled that out.

Good call out on Hold Monster's repeat saves. Still a good spell, but it does drop a bit.

I'm still considering Dominate Person, Synaptic Static, and Seeming. Hard to find any faults with any of them.

I still think I'd get use out of Far Step, but I doubt I'd choose it over some of the others mentioned.

Mirror Image has worked out great for this character so I'll keep it over Shield. I did have Absorb Elements until level 7 so I kinda want to get that back at some point.

[TheHalfAasimar]

My Pyromancy Sorc just hit 9th level and I have decision paralysis about which 5th level spell to take. I figure surely somebody would point out something I haven't considered.

Dex 16, Con 18, Cha 20

Fey Touched*
Metamagic Adept

Subtle, Quicken, Twinned, and Extended

Green Flame Blade
Prestidigitation
Gust
Firebolt
Mind Sliver

Mage Armor
Burning Hands
Silvery Barbs*

Scorching Ray
Mirror Image
Misty Step*

Fireball
Haste
Counterspell

Wall of Fire
Greater Invisibility

?


Dominate Person, Hold Monster, Far Step, and Synaptic Static all have my attention so far. Dominate Person and Hold Monster are extra intriguing since they can be quickened after Mind Sliver and they're also eligible to be twinned as well. Concentration is a drawback though. I like Far Step, and think I would make use of it, but also concentration. I've never seen Synaptic Static in play before, but it sounds pretty decent especially targeting Int.

Other spells I've considered are
Bigby's Hand. Sounds neat, but uses concentration.
Cone of Cold. I could switch Extended Spell for Transmute Spell and use this for some fun effect. Deal fire damage while freezing them?
Telekinesis. This can be pretty strong in the right hands. Too bad it can't be combined with Wall of Fire. Again, I'm trying not to get too overloaded with concentrations spells.

Playstyle is typically hiding in back blasting while twin hasting the Fighter and Barb. As with most Sorcerers, I don't have a whole lot to offer outside of combat. I used to have Disguise Self, but traded it out a level or 2 ago. As much as I'd like a little more utility, I'm not sure I want to spend a 5th level slot on it. Having said that, Creation, Seeming, or Teleportation Circle could be useful.

I know this is a little off-topic, but what exactly is a Pyro sorcerer? It sounds interesting. Is it homebrew, from a third-party, from some book I don't know of? Thanks.

[CTurbo]

I know this is a little off-topic, but what exactly is a Pyro sorcerer? It sounds interesting. Is it homebrew, from a third-party, from some book I don't know of? Thanks.

It's a subclass introduced in Plane Shift: Kaladesh

It's been a fun character to play for sure.

https://media.wizards.com/2017/downl...t_Kaladesh.pdf

[TheHalfAasimar]

It's a subclass introduced in Plane Shift: Kaladesh

It's been a fun character to play for sure.

https://media.wizards.com/2017/downl...t_Kaladesh.pdf

Wow! Thanks!