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2024-03-11, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
It's admittedly pedantic being neurodivergent doesn't mean mentally disabled, it means you have a different way of processing information and dealing with emotions, among other things. Elan is probably neurodivergent since he seems to have some elements of ADHD, although turned up to 11.
But as for the other points, Song of Freedom has a long casting time so it is correct to say that it wouldn't work. Everything else is spot on.
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2024-03-11, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but your phrasing could be read as equating neurodivergence with mental disability, which rubbed me the wrong way.
Bards learn Song of Freedom before they get 5-th-level spells, and Elan had those at this point. The only ways Elan could learn these abilities in reverse order would be if the OotS-specific Dashing Swordsman prestige class advanced bard spellcasting, or if Elan didn't get enough Perform skill ranks until two levels later. Which is possible, since this comic is not meant to be a treaty on build optimization, and also since despite being a human Elan's low intelligence would give him less points per level.
Song of Freedom was mentioned in the context of the fight against Zz'dtri at the arena, as an example of Elan forgetting his own abilities. I think Elan could have tried it at the time, but it would have slowed him down while he needed to run to warn Durkon anyway, so he might have decided against this course of action and not actually forgotten anything at all.Last edited by Coppercloud; 2024-03-11 at 12:17 PM.
On a fateful evening, I foolishly sworn myself to follow Xykon's updated speech rule ...thing. The twelve gods know that I regretted my decision ...since then ...multiple times.
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2024-03-11, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
I’m aware that Elan isn’t neurodiverse. I’m ALSO aware Rich Burlew promised to include members of every marginalised minority group in his comic and he seems to have missed a particularly large group who is a significant part of the fan base.
You speak of context regarding Roy’s view on Elan. The context that matters is Rich saying that stress brings out the true person. This means regardless of what Roy says and does prior and subsequent, he believes Elan doesn’t count. That’s the real Roy. And I think, in real life, that an employer who says that, that’s him DONE. Expelled. Dismissed from leadership. And of the other members, Elan is best positioned to replace him as leader.
Of course, if we want to have it that Roy didn’t mean those things he said than maybe we should forgive Tarquin when he said he didn’t mean what he said and the Order should have let him aboard. After all, in real life the parent is right that their child was mistreated in the workplace nine time out of ten.
As for the team being “nicer to Elan” that doesn’t matter either. What matters is procedures to accommodate all members are present. Anything else is criminal and illegal, regardless of good intent. Procedurally the Order failed. Rich Burlew said the comic should be judged by its impact on the real world. Showing that you don’t need to make adjustments to a meeting because one member is struggling to follow and that it doesn’t matter if said member loses our on CPD is an example of a NEGATIVE REAL WORLD IMPACT.
As for Elan uniquely forgetting his powers, it’s the only running joke of that ilk which carries past early book 2 (other than Blackwing) and Elan forgetting illusions is the subject of a book 6 bonus comic in the Giant Fight. But the most notable example is the Song of Freedom thing (which Elan was definitely a 13th level Bard during). You wouldn’t want your co-worker making you run a mile because neither of you knew you could do something and then it never gets brought up again. Neither should Elan.
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2024-03-11, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
I find myself if this battle is a n opportunity to get some of the Order the XP they need to hit their next levels. It would be a good time right before the big boss battle with Xykon. And beating a dragon is usually worth a lot of XP.
I've played D&D, but I'm not clear on the rules for a behol...I mean creature like Sunny using anti-magic. Will Bloodfeast polymorph back to a lizard when no longer in Sunny's gaze? Or has this removed the spell effect?
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2024-03-11, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
IKR. Of all the things to get upset about! "Oh noes, the Order doesn't model best-practices in workplace inclusion!" Never mind the wholesale plundering and murder of goblins in dungeons... the extra-legal vigilantism... the attempts to foment rebellion and topple foreign governments... impersonating royalty...
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2024-03-11, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
The real crime here is against the Bluish people who were unfairly robbed of the only representation they had. It's bad enough that literally everyone punched down on them after the Rooster Teeth thing, but ignoring Rich's casual erasure of them from history in favor of arguing about workplace practices is cooperating with genocide.
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2024-03-11, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-11, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Elan is also out of the AMF and Dispel is ranged.
I agree Tarquin’s apology is insincere. But so is Belkar’s after “character development”. But ultimately that evolved into something more. Maybe Tarquin: Prisoner of Elan could evolve his behaviour. But Haley denies that opportunity by shooting Tarquin in the face, talking over Elan and acting against his best interests.
Application of real world laws is irrelevant to the fantasy stuff because that’s clearly tongue in cheek with obvious “don’t try this at home” disclaimers. What I’m concerned about is real. It’s a real thing that could happen and Rich portrays it without a disclaimer.
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2024-03-11, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Anyway, cool fight. In the comic, I meanLast edited by hroþila; 2024-03-11 at 12:40 PM.
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2024-03-11, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-03-11, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
It really kind of depends on how the trap actually works I guess. Thinking on it, it's likely that someone his a trigger on the way in and it didn't matter because Calder was already moving, so by now they're off either way. Be kinda funny to have him half mobile though.
Maybe that's how the two sides of the battle find time to use words and not wounds?"Thursdays. I could never get the hang of Thursdays."-Arthur Dent, The Hitchhiker's Guide
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2024-03-11, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Wrt your input throughout the thread… You probably get this all the time, but I wanted to say that I'm a huge fan of your work. (^_~)
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2024-03-11, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Pro:Evil is my guess, as she has used that anti-domination tactic previously.
As written, only constructs and undead are immune to nonlethal baseline. True Dragons are susceptible, so knocking him out is feasible if they go that route.
If that weren't enough, this overland movement quote seems to explicitly state that dragons are subject to nonlethal damage:
Dragons do not tire as quickly as other creatures when moving overland on the ground. If a dragon attempts a hustle or a forced march, check for nonlethal damage once every 2 hours instead of every hour.Last edited by Psyren; 2024-03-11 at 01:02 PM.
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2024-03-11, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
If the Calder phase ends soon with his demise, only two factors could be affected:
- A giant Tyrannousurus (can it be shrinked?) that otherwise can't leave the room.
- Serini perhaps trusting the Order even more than before?
... and so, I don't see this as more than an appropriate level random encounter...
What narrative purpose do you see in it so far? if none, then Calder isn't over yet?
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2024-03-11, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Indeed, this is why I said earlier the Calder thing isn't just going to be them pinning him, killing him, and moving on. Too much effort for no payout on a narrative side for that.
Serini's interactions with the order going forward are highly likely to hinge on how this finishes.
And Bloodfeast is only big while in the AMF. It's providing Calder with quite the tactical dilemma: Party gets magic, or party gets dinosaur. Which would you choose?"Thursdays. I could never get the hang of Thursdays."-Arthur Dent, The Hitchhiker's Guide
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2024-03-11, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
I mean, that's not wrong, but it's not like Calder is so flush with minions here that he needs a specific identifier. He's going out of his way to use the most dismissive term possible.
It's a small detail, but it's definitely an effective move for establishing him as "evil, but also kinda a ****", to paraphrase Rich's comments on Xykon.
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2024-03-11, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean technically you're right. He can't run out of singing.
WHat he CAN run out is magic power to put IN his singing.
I mean he could have ASKED at any point before the Order of the Stick showed up.
Just goes to show that as a Cult Leader he just doesn't care. I know all the most powerful members of MY cult in Cult of the Lamb. :p
They WERE Fighting a wizard at the time. I don't think they had a minute for unbroken singing time, esp. as a Ranger was rolling in to dual shot anyone that would have helped V's chance.
But 12th does seem like Elan would have been at that level by that point.
Baleful Polymorph has duration:Permanent. SO after he leaves the AMF, Bloodfeast will be back to a tiny aggressive lizard."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2024-03-11, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Man, I was just thinking "If I were there, I'd so much rather go hang out with Sunny than sit in a long boring meeting". Not because I'm "too anxious about whether I can contribute" but because "omg that sounds really boring". I don't think there's anyway you can "accommodate" a meeting like that into being less boring either, other than just not having it at all.
Elan had a choice about whether to attend. He chose "nah". They were perfectly able to text him (ask him telepathically) if his presence became required or they had questions. And he can look at the meeting notes (or ask Roy for the short version) afterwards if he wants to.
Sounds ideal to me.
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
#1 the dinosaur is actually perma-shrunk. It will revert to pocket size the moment Sunny puts their lens back in or stops looking at it.
#2 That's a likely outcome of this battle, yes. It would be nice if the paladins could have participated though, her opinion of them is even lower than that her opinion of the Order.
I think her halfling side is contributing more to her lifespan than the troll side.Last edited by Psyren; 2024-03-11 at 01:41 PM.
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2024-03-11, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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Re: OOTS #1299 - The Discussion Thread
Wouldn't the most dismissive term be either "Slave" or "You there!"?
There exists the possibility that a troll without regeneration would be more longlived. Regeneration possibly puts a lot of stress on the body and consumes ressources that would otherwise be spent on keeping the body going.
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TinyMushroom drew my avatarSpoiler: A shaggy dog storyAn evil sorcerer in command of a dark cult is trying to unleash a god-killing abomination more real than the gods themselves. At his side, yellow eyes revealed a Haunter of the Dark. The evil sorcerer ordered it to kill.
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