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    Default "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    For example, which of the following would be correct?
    • I can not run, let alone walk.
    • I can not walk, let alone run.

    My instinct is that "let alone" means "not even this one/simpler thing", so the first sentence is correct.

    However, I have seen the expression being used the other way around.
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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    I would say that the second example is correct and that you're basically saying "I can't walk, so I definitely can't run". That said, I'm not a native English speaker and my source is basically "that's how I remember it being used", so take it for what it is.

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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    I am with Batcathat on this (and I am a native English speaker).

    The "I cannot do X let alone Y" construction is such that not being able to do X pretty much implies not being able to do Y.
    It can usually be states as "especially not" rather than "not even".

    I hope this helps (and kudos for being prepared to ask).

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    My thanks to the both of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khedrac View Post
    and kudos for being prepared to ask
    It was made easier by how I once saw a comment calling "let alone" a weird expression.
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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    Quote Originally Posted by Millstone85 View Post
    For example, which of the following would be correct?
    • I can not run, let alone walk.
    • I can not walk, let alone run.

    My instinct is that "let alone" means "not even this one/simpler thing", so the first sentence is correct.

    However, I have seen the expression being used the other way around.
    In my view, both can be correct (though your first seems to be a misuse).

    In your thread title, it's not a matter of A being more or less than B, it's a matter of B being more extreme than A, so if A is small, B is smaller, but if A is big then B is bigger (also hotter, colder, wetter, dryer etc.).
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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    I'd say "let alone" in this context means something akin to "don't even consider" or "don't even talk to me about", as in, "leave (let) [the idea of doing B] alone".

    "I can't walk, don't even talk to me about running" would be the phrase that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millstone85 View Post
    For example, which of the following would be correct?
    • I can not walk, let alone run.

    My instinct is that "let alone" means "not even this one/simpler thing", so the first sentence is correct.

    However, I have seen the expression being used the other way around.
    The second one is correct, and there are two ways to use it.

    I can't do/be this simple thing, so why would I be able to do/be this harder thing.

    "I can't even walk, let alone run".

    OR I can't believe they are able to do/be this harder thing given that they shouldn't be able to do/be the easier thing.

    "I can't believe they are alive, let alone conscious".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millstone85 View Post
    My thanks to the both of you.

    It was made easier by how I once saw a comment calling "let alone" a weird expression.
    It's interesting how some phrases look weird when taken out of a sentence.

    I've seen a similar comment before about the phrase "for the time being". xD

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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    A diiferent, possibly easier example:

    "Do you have $20?"

    "I don't have $1, let alone $20"

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    Quote Originally Posted by YetOneMoreIdiot View Post
    It's interesting how some phrases look weird when taken out of a sentence.
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    Default Re: "A let alone B." Is A more or less than B?

    Quote Originally Posted by YetOneMoreIdiot View Post
    It's interesting how some phrases look weird when taken out of a sentence.

    I've seen a similar comment before about the phrase "for the time being". xD
    I believe I've read something similar.

    "We'll put it aside for the time being.
    [Me, looking around with a panicked expression] Is it here with us right now?
    - Who?
    - THE TIME BEING!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppercloud View Post
    I believe I've read something similar.

    "We'll put it aside for the time being.
    [Me, looking around with a panicked expression] Is it here with us right now?
    - Who?
    - THE TIME BEING!"
    I had the same thought. It is a very funny dialogue to visualize.
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