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    @Randomizer:

    Wuh ?

    That was random... and weird... and not even funny, in my opinion.

    Sincerely, although your story looks awesome on paper, I find that during this coming, you have done a rather poor job at telling it. It all looks so jumbled, full of inexplicable randomness that doesn't have anything to do with it. The story looks more like an Excuse Plot for guys to kill each other while random events happen all around.
    Please don't be angry at me.
    No offense intended, it's just some honest criticism. I find that your story is good, and it saddens me that so much potential is left untapped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mask View Post
    Sincerely, although your story looks awesome on paper, I find that during this coming, you have done a rather poor job at telling it. It all looks so jumbled, full of inexplicable randomness that doesn't have anything to do with it. The story looks more like an Excuse Plot for guys to kill each other while random events happen all around.
    Please don't be angry at me.
    No offense intended, it's just some honest criticism. I find that your story is good, and it saddens me that so much potential is left untapped.
    ...I share this opinion.
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    Nothing changed at all actually. The only thing that did change was Powers is more tolerant of Xeno's presence. In case you forgot, Powers killed Xeno.
    If he's more tolerant, why are they fighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mask View Post
    @Randomizer:

    Wuh ?

    That was random... and weird... and not even funny, in my opinion.

    Sincerely, although your story looks awesome on paper, I find that during this coming, you have done a rather poor job at telling it. It all looks so jumbled, full of inexplicable randomness that doesn't have anything to do with it. The story looks more like an Excuse Plot for guys to kill each other while random events happen all around.
    Please don't be angry at me.
    No offense intended, it's just some honest criticism. I find that your story is good, and it saddens me that so much potential is left untapped.
    I've been feeling the same way a bit lately, if this was a problem before, the only thing i'd be mad about is that you didn't tell me sooner if it was a problem before.
    I think what the problem is that I might be trying a bit too hard to be funny, as the best material I make up usually just comes to me when i'm making a serious comic.
    Prehaps I can take suggestions on what should I do, like what to put more emphasis on? Storytelling? Minor Characters?
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    I've been feeling the same way a bit lately, if this was a problem before, the only thing i'd be mad about is that you didn't tell me sooner if it was a problem before.
    I think what the problem is that I might be trying a bit too hard to be funny, as the best material I make up usually just comes to me when i'm making a serious comic.
    Prehaps I can take suggestions on what should I do, like what to put more emphasis on? Storytelling? Minor Characters?
    I have found that, for me anyway, a plot is a lot more easier to follow when you repeat what the goal at hand is, and don't leave it t the audience to dig through to find out.

    Sounds dumb, I know, but if you do it correctly and keep reminding us that there is a plot we're supposed to be paying attention to above all, that might really help.

    Also, don't make your main villain turn good at the end. Apperently that makes it automatically a sucky ending, something I learned the hard way.
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    Every now and then you just need to give the jokes a break until the drama turns down.

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    This is a bit more experimental. I made a few mods to Comic 261 in the first 7 panels to make it a bit more clear what's going on.

    Comic 261

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    I have found that, for me anyway, a plot is a lot more easier to follow when you repeat what the goal at hand is, and don't leave it t the audience to dig through to find out.

    Sounds dumb, I know, but if you do it correctly and keep reminding us that there is a plot we're supposed to be paying attention to above all, that might really help.

    Also, don't make your main villain turn good at the end. Apperently that makes it automatically a sucky ending, something I learned the hard way.
    Yeah, Q's catching a lot of flack for his humorous webcomic having a bit of drama, then going for a humorous, silly ending. I thought it fit, personally.

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    damnit people I need critique for my fix for comic 261!

    The Major's Arsenal 4 is up. Easily the #1 weapon that I love to hate.

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    damnit people I need critique for my fix for comic 261!
    CRITIQUE?!
    It's better.

    Just remember, although it may sound cheesy, just having a character saying something like "this will REALLY help us defeat the bad guy now!" will really help us thick-heads know what the heroes are trying to accomplish.

    I don't think you have to go back and alter every single comic you've made to make it easier for us. Just continue with some clarity.

    Also, character motivation. Okay, maybe Powers and Xeno are only fighting because they don't like each other, but if you need to explain that outside that comic something has gone wrong. Like I said before, in the future a simple "I'm going to kill you because you insulted my wife!" would be very helpful to us.

    [EDIT] I just realized! This is almost going to hit page 50! Congrats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Randomizer View Post
    This is a bit more experimental. I made a few mods to Comic 261 in the first 7 panels to make it a bit more clear what's going on.

    Comic 261

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    you didnt really mention why the insidious enemies are attacking. do they have a motive?
    it's not a master peice, but I drew it

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    Well it finally happened

    Comic 264 is up.

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    What the hell are these soldiers firing at them ? Paintballs ?

    Seriously, how are they still alive ?

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    I loved the punchline at the end.

    Also, the characters explained what they were doing. That is a huge step forward for you as a writer. Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mask View Post
    What the hell are these soldiers firing at them ? Paintballs ?

    Seriously, how are they still alive ?
    I hear that they ran out of 5.56 and had to substitute it with .22LR .

    It might have something to do with the AC though. (Or they roll really bad and are incapable of getting nat 20s, or they are minions and thus are meant to be really bad at killing the main heroes). Question is how are they not killing their own teammates?

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    Well for Kayl, thy draconic hide art quite bulletproof, Marnia is scaly and uses +7 plate armor, and we can only assume Torn's armor is amazing, and/or has miscellaneous AC boosting magic items.

    And this is an army of 1st level experts, I doubt they're that good with weapons.

    And if you look in the 3rd-to-last panel, there is an instance of friendly fire, the last 2 panels has the victim fallen over dead.

    Comic 262 is up. Working more on the Rand vs Randomperson fight.

    And Memn, I doubt you wanna pick a fight with the gold-texty guy whos drawn in madness style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Randomizer View Post
    Well for Kayl, thy draconic hide art quite bulletproof, Marnia is scaly and uses +7 plate armor, and we can only assume Torn's armor is amazing, and/or has miscellaneous AC boosting magic items.

    And this is an army of 1st level experts, I doubt they're that good with weapons.

    And if you look in the 3rd-to-last panel, there is an instance of friendly fire, the last 2 panels has the victim fallen over dead.

    Comic 262 is up. Working more on the Rand vs Randomperson fight.
    See, the reasons for why they are bulletproof is a good example of what would've been a good thng to remind us of in the comic. Just a simple "HA! My Draconic hide is bulletproof, suckers!" would've been really good.

    Also, I liked the flashback joke, but I still don't really get it. Rand conqered a race of people when he was one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    See, the reasons for why they are bulletproof is a good example of what would've been a good thng to remind us of in the comic. Just a simple "HA! My Draconic hide is bulletproof, suckers!" would've been really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Randomizer View Post
    Okay, but we forgot about that, didn't we? Until you remined us OUTSIDE the comic.

    You could've reminded us again in the most recent scene. Okay, it may sound like you're dumbing things down by reminding us about facts you've established over and over again, but it's not that at all. Only through repetition is anything burned into our brains. And then, once it is, you can pull it out any time you like.
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    But I did, Torn made a cynical remark that the bullets bouncing right off of them.

    Comic 265 is up. Rand vs Indictan pt 2. This is gonna hurt.

    And comic 266 has successfully been uploaded to the archives, so all is right with the world.

    On a side note: I just realized I posted 2 comics on the same day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    Okay, but we forgot about that, didn't we? Until you remined us OUTSIDE the comic.

    You could've reminded us again in the most recent scene. Okay, it may sound like you're dumbing things down by reminding us about facts you've established over and over again, but it's not that at all. Only through repetition is anything burned into our brains. And then, once it is, you can pull it out any time you like.
    he may have an ego, but he gives good advice!
    it's not a master peice, but I drew it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean o the dead View Post
    he may have an ego, but he gives good advice!
    I also plug my own new series!

    See more of my good advice on The Q's Comic Review, where I'll be giving good advice to fancomic writers EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON!
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    horray for shameless plugins, now if only you can comment on the latest comic while I can still make changes to make it better.

    Comic 268 is up.

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    horray for shameless plugins, now if only you can comment on the latest comic while I can still make changes to make it better.

    Comic 268 is up.

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    good comic! i found nothing terribly nitpicky about that
    it's not a master peice, but I drew it

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    I probably could critique is comic, but I realize I probably shouldn't be giving this out for free anymore...

    Oh well. I do it anyway, cause your a pal.

    I see nothing really wrong with it, I guess. It moves the plot. The arcane incarnation just seemed to come outta nowhere, there. I don't remember him.

    And if you link a comic 40 or so comics back that shows us when he was introduced, I'm going to flip. You have to remind us. Our memories are not so good.

    Although if the king didn't know who he was, it may have been difficult. You could've had one of the soilder's talking to the AI and remind us who he is, though.
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    good comic! i found nothing terribly nitpicky about that
    That's because it takes brains to nitpick.
    Also, new thread is approaching. Grats, Rand.

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    Wait...you remember the robot dragon better than you remember the AI?

    Peh, nevermind.

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    Wait...you remember the robot dragon better than you remember the AI?
    My previous point still stands.

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    My previous point still stands.
    That was a point? It looked a lot more like a question.

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    Comic 268 is up. NOTE: In case you're wondering, the OTHER comic 268 is now Comic 269

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    I have to say I like the writing in this comic. This is the first comic in a long while I knew EXACTLY what was going on. Good work.
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