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2013-09-12, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Given how Richard Garriott's Ultima games were based off of his own Dungeons and Dragons campaign(s), and considering Order of the Stick is a parody of said game and RPGs in general, I have to ask...was this connection purposeful or completely coincidental?
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I must know, because if this is coincidental, I've somehow missed what should be blatantly obvious and right there.
Let's see...tall, cloaked figures with glowing eyes with the same terrifying coldness of the IFCC? There's even three. This can't have been a coincidence, right? Maybe I'm really late to this realization and I wouldn't be surprised if I were, but I just had to post this. If this was meant to be a reference, I must wonder if there's any subtle clues as to the IFCC's motives in Ultima V.Last edited by The Kind Knido; 2013-09-12 at 05:43 AM.
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2013-09-12, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Tall hooded figures with glowing eyes are not unique to OotS or Ultima. There are 3 archfiends because they each represent one kind of fiend.
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2013-09-12, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
The colour of the cloak is wrong colour.
However... Is that Director Lee?Last edited by Klear; 2013-09-12 at 06:24 AM.
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2013-09-12, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Three kinds of fiends meaning three kinds of evil? It just seems too good of a connection for the IFCC to be modeled after or close to the Shadowlords. There are the three in Ultima who represent three kinds of evil, or as you said, represent three kinds of fiends.
SpoilerThe colour of the cloak is wrong colour.
However... Is that Director Lee?
Nope, Director in Training, and if the cloaks were the same, it's be way too close.Last edited by The Kind Knido; 2013-09-12 at 06:35 AM.
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2013-09-12, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
I imagine it's not, considering OOtS isn't a direct parody of Ultima for one. Second I think they're just hooded figures so the Giant doesn't have to worry about making them X demon/devil/loth.
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2013-09-12, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Ominous hooded figures are quite a common way for evil people to dress (being a variation of the MitD's "cloak in darkness until the proper moment to reveal yourself", allowing one to walk around without revealing themselves or using a pink Hello Kitty parasol), it's not really enough to make a connection. As for there being three, it's both a very meaningful, "mystical" number, and the number of evil alignments and fiend races in D&D, so it was not really a choice on the Giant's part, he was just using what he had.
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2013-09-12, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
I would think that the concept of "three hooded figures" goes much further back than Ultima, if we're delving into the murky depths of "metanarrative influence".
Both subconscious motifs probably point back to MacBeth's witches, which in itself points back to Greek Myth -- likely the Gorgons, or maybe even the fates.What shall we do to fill the empty spaces
Where waves of hunger gnaw?
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2013-09-12, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
In the picture, I think the guy dressed like Link is about to shove that glowing thing up the knight's where the sun don't shine.
Just a heads-up: That coffee we gave you earlier had fluorescent calcium in it so we can track the neuronal activity in your brain. There's a slight chance the calcium could harden and vitrify your frontal lobe. Anyway, don't stress yourself thinking about it. I'm serious. Visualizing the scenario while under stress actually triggers the reaction.
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2013-09-12, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-12, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
Zweisteine quoting Razanir:
"I am a human sixtyfourthling! Fear my minimal halfling ancestry!"
From: Razanir
Bagnold could be one sixty-fourth halfling.
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2013-09-12, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-12, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
"The main skill of a good ruler seems to be not preventing the conflagrations but rather keeping them contained enough they rate more as campfires." Rogar Demonblud
"Hold on just a d*** second. UK has spam callers that try to get you to buy conservatories?!? Even y'alls spammers are higher class than ours!" Peelee
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2013-09-12, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Three kinds of fiends meaning three kinds of evil - Devils (LE), Daemons (NE) and Demons (CE). They also represent very different things, while the Shadowlords are based on Falsehood, Hatred and Cowardice, the fiends are neither Cowardly (afawk), nor directly false (afawk) nor do they seem hateful (rather affable actually). They actually remind me more of the Evils from Diablo - Lord of Lies (Belial), Lord of Hatred (Mephisto) and Lord of Terror (Diablo), but that doesn't mean Diablo was based on Ultima V...
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2013-09-12, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
I literally haven't seen that cover in 20 years, and I don't think I ever played it. No reference is intended.
There are three fiends because there are three evil alignments with three evil races: Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic. If there had been four evil alignments, there would be four fiends. That's it.Rich Burlew
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2013-09-12, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
I literally haven't seen that cover in 20 years, and I don't think I ever played it.
It was actually quite an excellent game. And I'm not really a big ultima fan.
If you couldn't really give a hoot about graphics (and I often don't), I'd say give it a whirl someday.What shall we do to fill the empty spaces
Where waves of hunger gnaw?
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2013-09-12, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Pretty sure the Fiends are actually references to: http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Darlok
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2013-09-12, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-12, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Moral of the story: cloaked figures with face totally obscured is just a common cheap budget trick, as well as potentially being more effective leaving whatever it is under there to the imagination.
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2013-09-12, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
That wasn't the only reason I made the connection. It was the fact that there's three, are very tall, and represent three different evils respectively as the Shadowlords do.
If I merely made the connection based on height and wardrobe, the Nazgul would've have probably been there, too.A'Tuin Avatar by Zea Mays. Thanks!
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2013-09-12, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
You know, in that one scene on the hill/tower thing, there were 3, and I do think they were kinda tall and imposing.
(especially for a hobbit)Last edited by WindStruck; 2013-09-12 at 04:22 PM.
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2013-09-12, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
I do remember them being taller than a regular human as well.
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2013-09-12, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-12, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok, but wait! There were 9 Nazgul in total, each representing the 9 layers of Hell! But of course, there were only 2 demon princes and Lucifer himself, exactly correlating with the IFCC!
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Ok, I'm just making stuff up now. I don't know what is accurate or not anymore.
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2013-09-12, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Ok, but wait! There were 9 Nazgul in total, each representing the 9 layers of Hell!
I had to point that out.Last edited by Thunderfist12; 2013-09-12 at 05:30 PM.
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2013-09-12, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Hey, folks. Anyone remember the comic strip Yamara, which ran in Dragon Magazine way back when.
http://yamara.com/2005/07/21/check-on-ebay-first/
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2013-09-12, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-12, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Interesting find. I wonder what other trio of tall cloaked guys there are...
Come to think of it, there were three cloaked battlemage-type characters in Suburban Knights as well, but they weren't tall and menacing, and didn't represent anything.
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2013-09-12, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
It's pretty obvious that Shakespeare ripped off Ultima with his whole "three witches" gag.
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2013-09-12, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by The Kind Knido; 2013-09-12 at 06:46 PM.
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2013-09-12, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I just noticed something...was it intentional?
Au contraire. Might I refer you to this page?