Thog, Z and Nale's whereabouts.

[zimmerwald1915]

Zz'dtri: Do we know his alignment? If no, he strikes me as LE or NE, but putting him in some drow-afterlife does also not seem far fetched. So I go for racial Drow-Afterlife (an evil one, if they are split up by gods/alignments as well).

We do. He's Neutral Evil.

[Copperdragon]

We do. He's Neutral Evil.

Good (and thank you). Then NE or Drow Afterlife.

[ryuplaneswalker]

What I found odd was that people tried to claim that he was not Evil because he was lovable. I don't understand that. I've never understood the need of some people to rationalize that a character they like is somehow less Evil just because they like them. Thog is Evil; Thog is lovable. Those two facts do not need to be in opposition. I don't understand treating his lovability as overriding his Evilness, nor his Evilness overriding his lovability. Because he's a fictional character and it's not necessary that we pass a binding absolute judgment on how we feel about him. We can simultaneously appreciate his comedy in this corner of our brain while condemning his evil in that corner.

My guess is a Mild form of Draco in Leather pants, they like him therefore they want him to be good.

[davidbofinger]

Thog is easily the funniest character he wrote, I'm shocked he didn't expect people to love him.

John Cleese was shocked that people liked Basil Fawlty. He said he thought it was because he wasn't in control, but I think it's mostly just that it's hard to hate someone who makes you laugh. See also the mercenary's ring tone in Moffatt's Jekyll.

[BeerMug Paladin]

My guess would be that people just don't want to believe a character they like is, at their core, a rotten person.

As I pointed out to a friend of mine once, there are a few different ways to 'like' a character. You can like them enough to want to have them as a friend (Roy). You can like them enough to want to read a story about them (Redcloak). And you can like them enough to want to write a story about them (Vaarsuvius). There could easily be other distinctions, but those are mine.

At the time I said this because I was under the impression that he considered all three of those to be the same thing, or 'liking' a character as having one, clear meaning. For me, those are very different sorts of questions. (I would never want V or Redcloak as a friend) Perhaps some people just generally merge all three into the same 'like'?

[Seto]

The Giant has clearly hinted that Nale might not be LE. In any case, he could:

1) Be undergoing an evaluation similar to the one Roy underwent and thus not be in any evil afterlife proper.

2) Even if LE (I have him tagged as NE, but I am not ruling out LE), he could be somewhere else. Not all LE people go into director Lee's inbox.

Personally, I hope we will see a bit interaction between afterlife-Nale and Sabine, though.

Wait, Lee is the Demon, right ? (He's the yellow one). The purple one is the Daemon, and the orange one is the Devil. In case you're wondering, I got this from this strip, and the fact that the soul splices are, like, poster boys for LE, NE and CE, and each has a color that links them to a Director, as shown here.

[Kish]

Wait, Lee is the Demon, right ? (He's the yellow one). The purple one is the Daemon, and the orange one is the Devil. In case you're wondering, I got this from this strip, and the fact that the soul splices are, like, poster boys for LE, NE and CE, and each has a color that links them to a Director, as shown here.

You might want to discard those and look at the fiends' names instead.

(LEe is Lawful Evil, NEro is Neutral Evil, and CEdrik is Chaotic Evil. And yes, this is confirmed by Word of the Author.)

(And yes, that strip does say that a succubus demon is working under a devil. If you think that's wrong, reexamine the IFCC's mission statement.)

[zimmerwald1915]

(LEe is Lawful Evil, NEro is Neutral Evil, and CEdrik is Chaotic Evil. And yes, this is confirmed by Word of the Author.)

This information is also in the Don't Split the Party commentary.

[Seto]

Oh ? Ok. Thanks, I didn't know that ! (Small inconsistency then I guess)

[zimmerwald1915]

Oh ? Ok. Thanks, I didn't know that ! (Small inconsistency then I guess)

Don't feel bad. Lee is the yellow one.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Actually I think part of the reason people go so far to defend Evil beings they happen to like is because if they admit that they are Evil, and that they the reader do like them (said Evil character), it kind of means that aforementioned reader likes Evil.

[Jay R]

I believe Thog's dead was left ambiguous so that the Order would be able to believe Thog was alive (so that Tarquin could pose as him), while simultaneously not needing an additional explanation of Thog's death later.

Of course, I could be very wrong.

: THOG NOW SCHRÖDINGER's ORC!

[Loreweaver15]

: THOG NOW SCHRÖDINGER's ORC!

Glorious...

[David Argall]

One point in Thog's favor when calling him good is that he was a controllable evil, and not even that difficult. Elan manages it without much difficulty. So it is easy to blame Thog's handler for any evil even when it is clear Thog enjoys carrying out his evil orders.

[Ceaon]

: THOG NOW SCHRÖDINGER's ORC!

As I should have expected, someone on this forum can phrase whatever I meant in a more concise and witty manner.

[Sir_Leorik]

: THOG NOW SCHRÖDINGER's ORC!

"thog not speak in all caps, it make thog thirsty."

[137beth]

"thog not speak in all caps, it make thog thirsty."

STOP TALKING!

[warrl]

Nale: NE afterlife. He is NE, not LE or CE. He claims to be L and tries to be it and uses a lot of Lawful methods (his plans)

A characteristic he inherited from his mother who is explicitly Chaotic Good.

Also, he forms these complex plans and then changes them on a whim - Chaotic behavior.

and might even think of himself as Lawful, but he is not, in all the things mentioned he is as chaotic as it can get. His plans are complicated, he only tries to be L because his father is and he must be better,

I don't think he even tries to be Lawful. I'm not at all convinced he actually believes he's Lawful. I think that, more likely, he merely claims to be Lawful in order to confuse and mislead.

he's easy to anger, he does not seem to have really solid morals or a code of conduct beyond "Make it complicated!"

For a while he had the "opposites" thing going, but he abandoned it - and seriously, that's a Law of Fives phenomenon. Any two objects can be seen to be similar enough to be comparable and then different enough to be "opposites", given sufficient effort and ingenuity on the part of the person looking for such similarities and differences.

I see nothing Lawful about Nale. And plenty of Chaotic.

[Bluepaw]

Apparently, though, that's not how some people see it, and that's what continues to baffle me. I don't see how one could appreciate fiction on any serious level if every character has to boil down to a single LOVE/HATE toggle switch.

No need to be baffled! There's a fairly straightforward theoretical explanation for this phenomenon...

[137beth]

No need to be baffled! There's a fairly straightforward theoretical explanation for this phenomenon...

Does that mean Belkar's reading the comic

[Insane Jeenyus]

why would Belkar care to deo that? also, can his character read?

[Ruck]

Please don't bump threads this old.

Although as long as I'm here, I will say I find this 2014 post very entertaining:

: THOG NOW SCHRÖDINGER's ORC!

Given that in the Good Deeds Gone Unpunished preface, Thog refers to himself as "schrödinger’s antagonist."

[Morquard]

[QUOTE=AKA_Bait;16757570
I think Tarquin's reason for refusing to allow Nale to bring Thog with them to the pyramid (i.e., he's a "loose cannon," not "he's a pancake and we aren't spending the time/resources to dig him out and raise him right now") is pretty good evidence that he's alive. [/QUOTE]

I disagree. If he'd said "We can't take him because he's dead" then an easy answr would have been "Well you got Malak here, have him rezz him, problem solved". He didn't want to give Nale that opening.

[Insane Jeenyus]

sorry fpr the thread necro. I have been in hospital almost all of the last 3 weeks and simply missed that important detail.

its just that I miss thog. I like him! as for Z, wasn't there an arrest for copyright infringements .. .. .. .. ..?

[Caerulea]

its just that I miss thog. I like him! as for Z, wasn't there an arrest for copyright infringements .. .. .. .. ..?

Parody is protected speech.

[Insane Jeenyus]

Parody is protected speech.

ah, so no chance for a side joke trial led by a kangaroo for a judge.

[Ruck]

Especially not now that he's dead.

[Caerulea]

Like this thread.

—Caerulea

[LibraryOgre]

The Mod Wonder:

This thread is dead as adored-Nale!