Magic the Gathering XXI: Tap Target Keg

[Landis963]

Hi. Just a quick question I'm sure anyone here can answer. How do you determine the rarity of a card? I believe there's supposed to be some identifier on each card for this, but I forget where.

There will be a symbol of sorts to the right side of the type line. The color of that symbol will tell you the rarity of the card in question. Black=Common, Grey=Uncommon, Yellow=Rare, Orange-Red=Mythic Rare.

[Some Android]

There will be a symbol of sorts to the right side of the type line. The color of that symbol will tell you the rarity of the card in question. Black=Common, Grey=Uncommon, Yellow=Rare, Orange-Red=Mythic Rare.

Thanks for the (quick) reply! Question answered!

[Tesla_pasta]

So ideas for next thread name?

Shadows over the Playground

Thread in the Ice

Where puns go to die

[tgva8889]

"Where puns go to die" is certainly a good one. I also like Clifford the Mad Red Dog and Blues Clues.

[Ninjaman]

Loving both "where puns go to die" and "Shadows over the playground"

Madness? THIS. IS. INNISTRAD!

@Sonofzeal

There might come enough good devils so you can make that tribal deck.

[Dhavaer]

New fastlands are spoiled!

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I'm guessing they'll call these 'showlands'?

[Ninjaman]

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They strike me as worse than check lands. They will undoubtedly see play but I'm not that excited for them.

[Ionbound]

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Don't think of them as much as checks, but more like Fasts. That's the role they're going to play: Early game mana-fixing, but decidedly bad topdeck. The fact that they synergize with Tangos is also pretty cool.

[Manticoran]

Does anyone know a way to turn a creature into an instant or sorcery?

I want to cast a creature spell and have it trigger "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery..."

[Svata]

New fastlands are spoiled!

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I'm guessing they'll call these 'showlands'?

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Handlands is what I'm hearing.

[Tesla_pasta]

Does anyone know a way to turn a creature into an instant or sorcery?

I want to cast a creature spell and have it trigger "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery..."

I'm pretty sure there is no way to pull this off. There are established type combinations- creature + enchantment, artifact + land... but you'll notice that they are ALL permanent types. I can't think of any way to make a creature spell treated as an instant or sorcery on the stack. There is a SoI card that is a sorcery that transforms into a creature, but you never cast the transformed face, so the card only ever exists on the stack as a sorcery.

[Sith_Happens]

I vote for something to do with Shadows Over Innistrad, like:
Magic: The Gathering XXII: Shadows Over Innistrad? Madness!
Magic: The Gathering XXII: Looks like you need to get a clue

My second suggestion--

Magic: The Gathering XXII: Nice Plane You Got There, Shame If Anything Were to Happen to It

--actually refers to both Zendikar and Innistrad, both of which have been or are being pretty thoroughly wrecked.

Madness? THIS. IS. INNISTRAD!

...I do like this one though.

New fastlands are spoiled!

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I'm guessing they'll call these 'showlands'?

*notices the conspicuous lack of the word "basic"*

[ryuplaneswalker]

Does anyone know a way to turn a creature into an instant or sorcery?

I want to cast a creature spell and have it trigger "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery..."

There really has been nothing like that, however truth be told the only way to do it would be

Creature Sorcery - Types

but I think only blue could justify having a creature like that.

[Tvtyrant]

There really has been nothing like that, however truth be told the only way to do it would be

Creature Sorcery - Types

but I think only blue could justify having a creature like that.

I have actually been playing with a keyword for this. I made one called "intersect" for instants where the spell is copied for each other card on the stack (red blue) and "alive" for sorceries where if they are countered they become a creature that is put into play with CMC=1/1 counters (white green).

[Tesla_pasta]

There really has been nothing like that, however truth be told the only way to do it would be

Creature Sorcery - Types

but I think only blue could justify having a creature like that.

I feel like no color gets to justify that as of the current rules. Having the creature subtype AND sorcery subtype give the card conflicting rules about where it goes when it resolves. there would need to be a serious rules update to allow for such a thing.

Also "Get a Clue" is pretty clever for a thread name, I like it!

[Ebon_Drake]

There really has been nothing like that, however truth be told the only way to do it would be

Creature Sorcery - Types

but I think only blue could justify having a creature like that.

It'd be "Sorcery Creature" surely? That has a much nicer feel to it, along the same lines as Enchantment Creature.

It's kind of an interesting concept. I could see it having a mechanic similar to Evoke, where you could play the card as an instant/sorcery for one effect, or pay a different/extra cost and get a creature out of the deal as well. I'm not sure it's worth the rules headaches though - would it mean that Instant and Sorcery became permanent types too? That seems ugly to me.

To be honest though, I think my main issue with the concept is simply that "Instant Creature" sounds dumb. However, I suppose that's more an issue I have with the word Instant in general. I wish WOTC had come up with a better word for a fast sorcery, Instant is so at odds with all the other nice flavourful card types.

As for existing cards, all I could really suggest would be a token maker like Roar Of The Wurm. However, I suspect the point of asking is that you were looking for a permanent that also counts as an instant/sorcery so that you could bounce and replay it easily for a combo. If that's the case, Roar et al wouldn't really offer anything more than any other given instant/sorcery.

[Manticoran]

However, I suspect the point of asking is that you were looking for a permanent that also counts as an instant/sorcery so that you could bounce and replay it easily for a combo. If that's the case, Roar et al wouldn't really offer anything more than any other given instant/sorcery.

Actually I just wanted to Harness the Storm Relentless Rats for hilarity, but couldn't figure out a way to make it work.

[Fable Wright]

Actually I just wanted to Harness the Storm Relentless Rats for hilarity, but couldn't figure out a way to make it work.

There's a much easier way to do that in the form of Bloodbond March. Even saves on the mana costs.

[Ninjaman]

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Don't think of them as much as checks, but more like Fasts. That's the role they're going to play: Early game mana-fixing, but decidedly bad topdeck. The fact that they synergize with Tangos is also pretty cool.

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The only time they are really better than checklands is if you need the second color on turn one. The rest of the time they are at best the same. Also it looks like they have synergy with battlelands, but they don't really, since you want to be playing basics to get untapped battlelands.

[Dhavaer]

Preliminary card list for Rakdos vampires. Not sure about the Waltzes and really wishing there was a better red 2-drop - Bloodseeker isn't great and I'm not running enough spells to make Sanguinary Mage worth it.

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Creatures x25
4x Asylum Visitor
4x Indulgent Aristocrat
4x Heir of Falkenrath
4x Falkenrath Gorger
3x Olivia, Mobilized for War
3x Drana, Liberator of Malakir
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1x Avaricious Dragon

Spells x11
4x Fiery Temper
4x Lightning Axe
3x Macabre Waltz

Lands x24
4x Foreboding Ruins
4x Smoldering Marsh
6x Mountain
10x Swamp

[DJ Yung Crunk]

How many of you are into Doctor Who? A couple of friends of mine are going to make some novelty planeswalkers based on The Doctors and I'm kind of hoping for a bit of insight. Legit, playable cards too. And they're creating all new art for it, too and it's MtG setting appropriate. It's gonna be beautiful. But we're having a hard time deciding on the colour combinations for each of the incarnations.

[ryuplaneswalker]

How many of you are into Doctor Who? A couple of friends of mine are going to make some novelty planeswalkers based on The Doctors and I'm kind of hoping for a bit of insight. Legit, playable cards too. And they're creating all new art for it, too and it's MtG setting appropriate. It's gonna be beautiful. But we're having a hard time deciding on the colour combinations for each of the incarnations.

I think most of them would be White/Blue He has a fairly strict set of rules, and does the things he does out of Compassion and Curiosity however some of his less "compassionate" incarnations go into "I am Judge, Jury and executioner" that White can slip into fairly quickly.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I think most of them would be White/Blue He has a fairly strict set of rules, and does the things he does out of Compassion and Curiosity however some of his less "compassionate" incarnations go into "I am Judge, Jury and executioner" that White can slip into fairly quickly.

Yeah, that was discussed. But for the purposes on novelty we're going to go with a different colour combination for each. Anyway, here's what I proposed.

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First - Orzhov
Second - Simic
Third - Boros
Fourth - Izzet
Fifth - Selesnya
Sixth - Gruul
Seventh - Dimir
Eighth - Azorius

[Manticoran]

There's a much easier way to do that in the form of Bloodbond March. Even saves on the mana costs.

Yeah, but you don't get to give Relentless Rats Flashback, and what's the joy in that?

[Fable Wright]

Yeah, that was discussed. But for the purposes on novelty we're going to go with a different colour combination for each. Anyway, here's what I proposed.

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First - Orzhov
Second - Simic
Third - Boros
Fourth - Izzet
Fifth - Selesnya
Sixth - Gruul
Seventh - Dimir
Eighth - Azorius

I'm not too familiar with the old Who, but 1 and 4 seem about right. I'd say that 9 and 10 should be W/R and B/R , though I'm not sure which is which. Then the color scheme after that depends on what you want to roll with; I'd personally say 11 as Temur (as Izzet but far more caring in a G way), War Doctor as Mardu (ending the war by committing the greatest atrocity of all time), and 12 as Sultai (given the events of Heaven Sent and Hell Bent showing who he was in the dark).

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I'm not too familiar with the old Who, but 1 and 4 seem about right. I'd say that 9 and 10 should be W/R and B/R , though I'm not sure which is which. Then the color scheme after that depends on what you want to roll with; I'd personally say 11 as Temur (as Izzet but far more caring in a G way), War Doctor as Mardu (ending the war by committing the greatest atrocity of all time), and 12 as Sultai (given the events of Heaven Sent and Hell Bent showing who he was in the dark).

None of us are super familiar with the new series. We're not going to be doing them. But I figure if we did Nine would be Rakdos.

[Tesla_pasta]

None of us are super familiar with the new series. We're not going to be doing them. But I figure if we did Nine would be Rakdos.

I'd say boros before rakdos, since his nobility and sense of responsibility to protect overshadow his selfishness.

[Manticoran]

I'd say boros before rakdos, since his nobility and sense of responsibility to protect overshadow his selfishness.

For 9/10/11/12 I'd probably say something like White/Green, White/Red, Black/Red, and Black/Green or something. The ninth doctor in particular is the "Everybody gets to live today!" Doctor, who's tired of death in all forms. Tenth is clearly much more about justice and "The Right Thing", ruled more by his connections to people, while to me Matt Smith seems like a clear careless destroyer of worlds that I'd associate with Black/Red more than anything else. Maybe just pure red though, he's not in any way malicious, just... Careless of others. War Doctor maybe would be something like White/Red/Black?

[Fable Wright]

For 9/10/11/12 I'd probably say something like White/Green, White/Red, Black/Red, and Black/Green or something. The ninth doctor in particular is the "Everybody gets to live today!" Doctor, who's tired of death in all forms. Tenth is clearly much more about justice and "The Right Thing", ruled more by his connections to people, while to me Matt Smith seems like a clear careless destroyer of worlds that I'd associate with Black/Red more than anything else. Maybe just pure red though, he's not in any way malicious, just... Careless of others. War Doctor maybe would be something like White/Red/Black?

Counterpoint to 9 as Selesnya: Doctor dealing with the Daleks. See: Delta Wave generator and willingness to devastate humanity to destroy the Daleks. How he reacted to finding the prisoner Dalek. Oh, and how he was willing to let a prisoner begging for mercy die right before his eyes without a shred of remorse in The End of the World. That doesn't seem very Selesnyan to me, really. Whether he's Boros or Rakdos depends on your point of view.

Matt Smith... granted, might well be a careless destroyer of worlds, but he doesn't exactly intend to destroy worlds, or take joy in the process. Oh, and Trenzalore. That was at least 900 years of being very not-Rakdos.

[Manticoran]

Counterpoint to 9 as Selesnya: Doctor dealing with the Daleks. See: Delta Wave generator and willingness to devastate humanity to destroy the Daleks. How he reacted to finding the prisoner Dalek. Oh, and how he was willing to let a prisoner begging for mercy die right before his eyes without a shred of remorse in The End of the World. That doesn't seem very Selesnyan to me, really. Whether he's Boros or Rakdos depends on your point of view.

Matt Smith... granted, might well be a careless destroyer of worlds, but he doesn't exactly intend to destroy worlds, or take joy in the process. Oh, and Trenzalore. That was at least 900 years of being very not-Rakdos.

Counterpoint: The doctor is a reasonably variable character, and so most versions can be portrayed as most colors at different points of their existence.