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Thread: Will Save World for Gold
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2016-07-27, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
kiiinda jumping to conclusions there Ana :/
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2016-07-27, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Looks like to conclusions is not the only thing that Ana will be jumping...
The Giant
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2016-07-27, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
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2016-07-28, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Can't say i beleive the same glyph, if you're talking about the "is this real fur you're wearing?" page at least. Looks more to me like she was aware he was an orc from the start, but her materialistic desires might just end up with her at least tolerating him a bit more then she has been thus far. maybe a relationship, probably not.
Avy by Thormag
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2016-07-28, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2008
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
I see two possibilities:
The fallen, embittered Ana can fascinate this young, naive and lonely chieftain and, doing whatever it takes, including wearing greyface to avoid scandalizing the Bloodf's tribe to become queen of that tribe. As a side benefit, she can acquire the means to wreak gory vengance on South Cross and Ardon's Army for her humiliations.
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LSN, whose avatar was just seen outside the strip club, soliciting tricks in Ana's castoff dress, can take the high road.
Bonus Wild Speculation: This being Nightmare's whispered plan, Ardon unmasks her before the outraged orc tribe, which then kills the Chieftain, earning the bounty for his assasination that Ardon will not have forgotten is the whole point of the quest.The Giant
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2016-07-28, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
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2016-07-28, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
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2016-07-28, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
Re: Will Save World for Gold
Turns out I was wrong. First time for everything I guess.
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2016-08-04, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Who the heck is this guy who gets a dialog avatar??
The Giant
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2016-08-04, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2015
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
It's a PC.
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2016-08-05, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2014
Re: Will Save World for Gold
Hmmm... Could the Nightmare Spirit be sitting back at the orc camp giving out orders?
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2016-08-05, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2015
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- London, UK
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2016-08-05, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2014
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2016-08-07, 02:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Feb 2007
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
I know that's a necklace, but does anyone else have a hard time not seeing Anaviera as always having her mouth open?
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2016-08-08, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Very well done.
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2016-08-16, 12:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Is Odie going to quit after this? If I were Odie this would be the point where I quit the party.
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2016-08-16, 02:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-16, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
Re: Will Save World for Gold
I'm a bit torn. On the one hand, the methods are evil and it's hard to think of mass slaughter as anything but evil. On the other hand, they're a bloodthirsty invading army, and wiping them out is probably for the best.
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2016-08-16, 02:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
But now he is also intentionally driving a genuinely good member of the tribe to attack just so that he can kill him for the reward.
Last edited by Lizard Lord; 2016-08-16 at 02:33 AM.
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2016-08-16, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
The guy who started a war in order to try getting a girlfriend? He's not exactly an innocent.
I'm not saying Ardon isn't evil though. What he's doing currently is definitely evil. I'm just torn on whether he's passed the moral event horizon or not.
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2016-08-16, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
That's....not exactly how it went.
Mostly though its that Odie and Ell tried to make a peaceful solution and Ardon undermined that for his own self interest. Sure they knew that about Ardon, but now they should see what kind off path their adventuring careers will take as long as Ardon leads them.
Mind you I am sure Ell won't quit just because of her insane philosophy of unconditional loyalty for no real reason. But I would like to think Odie will at least try to quit before the narrative forces him back into the party.
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2016-08-16, 02:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
Re: Will Save World for Gold
That's exactly what happened. Maybe he didn't intend to start a war, but he didn't stop it either. He certainly hasn't stopped his orcs from attacking travelers like we saw earlier either.
For your other point...sure. Odie and Ell should have abandoned Ardon a long time ago if we're being reasonable about it. It's actually getting a little frustrating to read. Every time it seems like Ardon is getting character development and the story might actually go somewhere, he does something like this and we're back at square one.
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2016-08-16, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2009
Re: Will Save World for Gold
I kindof like it - kindof reminds me of 8-Bit Theater except with the quote being: 'This whole goddamn adventure has been nothing but pointless build ups towards character development that never happens'.
At this point I think meaningful character change might actually annoy me (happy with minor elements i.e growing and learning to realise you were always right, or items that change someone only for them to than change back).Last edited by dancrilis; 2016-08-16 at 03:45 AM.
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2016-08-16, 04:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Did Odie have any moral qualms about exterminating an entire goblin tribe or slaughtering all the skeletons at the acid party? Originally, Odie expected they would be fighting the entire orc army and, while questioning the feasibility of it, was good to go. It was only en route that he learned it was an
assassinationthwart job.The Giant
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2016-08-16, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Think of a table with a group of people playing D&D.
All the group takes the game seriously (in healthy levels), but one of the players is annoying and while the others try to role play, he treats it only as a game with points and statistics, knowing that it's unlikely the party will split regardless of what he does, and behaves like he is the most important thing in the world since in a way, player characters ARE the most important thing in the world that was created for them.
In the end, it's not moral issues that will cause other players (characters) to throw him out of the party, it will be the way he acts against the other characters in the group as well as the players behind them.
So bottom line, Ode and El should have kicked him out long ago, less because of his morals and more because he was never a team player, and certainly not a leader.
For me, a long time ago it felt like the only reason they are still adventuring together is because the player behind ardon brought pizza to the session and the other players feel bad kicking him out after that.Last edited by random11; 2016-08-16 at 08:42 AM.
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2016-08-16, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-16, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
Re: Will Save World for Gold
Well, I think with 8-Bit Theater it was more palatable because the entire universe existed to hurt Black Mage. Sure, he was a horrible person, but he was constantly getting his karmic retribution. Plus, the characters in 8-Bit were naturally more shallow so you don't really expect them to grow.
The frustrating thing with Ardon is that he actually does show occasional signs of (slight) growth, but just throws it away anyway.
Just my .02. I obviously still enjoy the story enough to read it every day.
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2016-08-16, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
...And there is the moral event horizon cross people were talking about.
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2016-08-17, 02:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
I'm not sure Ardon isn't getting character development, everyone seems to be growing and learning and coming into their own as adventurers. This isn't a story about people becoming better, nicer, kinder. This is a story about an absolute monster who kills things for fun and the people pulled along with him. We're watching Ardon's rise to power in a world that, literally, cannot stop him. I fully expect the party to fight (and possibly kill) the Sons of Solemnity later on and for Odie and Ell to justify it to themselves afterwards. The more they adventure the more horrible they get.
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2016-08-17, 03:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
Re: Will Save World for Gold
Well, my point was that he does get flashes of morality. Like when he saved Peanut, or baby El. It's almost like reading about two entirely different people at times.
But yeah, this isn't a good look for him right now. It's right up there with the time he murdered the halfling.